Can someone test my theory please? 
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Two years ago I posted a story I learned in my Microbiology class about a man (a real person) that always had an infection in his left ear, but not in his right ear. Doctors kept giving him Antibiotics and medication but nothing worked. One day, he magically cured his left ear by putting some ear wax from his right ear into his left ear. How did this cure his left ear? Because his right ear had good bacteria that cured the left ear.
I had a good theory a long time ago but I forgot about it since I didn't have a way of testing it, but I suddenly remembered it today and I really think it could work.
My theory is that most people have EC because they don't have any good bacteria on their lips. I don't know how we lost all the good bacteria from our lips, either from Antibiotics , Antibiotic creams, washing/peeling lips, or something else. The only way to cure it is to get good bacteria onto our lips again.
Healthy people without EC have lots of good bacteria on their lips so they have no lip problems. When it's cold and/or dry, some of that bacteria dies (because they need warmth and moisture to grow) and lips become chapped. Moisturizing cures chapped lips because it gives the bacteria moisture to grow and multiply.
People with EC do not have any good bacteria on their lips- That's why moisturizing their lips doesn't do anything. There is no good bacteria to even grow so moisturizing is useless.
I can only think of two ways of getting good bacteria onto our lips right now.
1. Kissing someone without EC (which most of us probably won't want to do)
2. Telling someone without EC to swab their lips and then swabbing it onto our lips.
It might take a while in order to get enough good bacteria back onto our lips, and after we have enough, then moisturizing would work. Let me know if you have anymore method ideas.
Note: Putting probiotics on your lips doesn't work because it's intestinal bacteria and not lip bacteria.
Before White Shark comes in here and says it's intestinal bacteria-related and not lip bacteria-related, I still stand by my theory that it is lip-bacteria related. When people get chapped lips and heal their lips with moisture, nothing is changing in their intestines. There is a change in lip bacteria. I tried treating my intestines with no results for 2 years, but now I really think it is lip bacteria related.
It explains everything. It explains why people don't have EC (because they have good lip bacteria), why moisturizers treat chapped lips (because it allows the good bacteria on lips to grow), and why moisturizers do not help people with EC (because they don't have good bacteria on their lips).
Of course, not everyone has EC for the same reason though.
Does anyone want to test my theory or have any thoughts about it? I really think it could work.. Like the guy with the infected ear, doctors don't know that good bacteria can help.
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This is a reply to # 2,354,675Well go out, get you a girl or a boy and try it. The only way to find out is to try it by yourself.
Hook up and heal your lips, sounds like a plan haha - It has been tested already! White Shark
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It has been tested already!
You know the story about a frog and a girl.
If a girl kisses a frog, the frog becomes a handsome prince.
It has happened already in the fairytale and also in this next message:
//www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2195771#i
Another factor here was also oral sex.
He was also practicing oral sex with his girlfriend, and that may also be an important factor in the story.
It is well known that female sexual organ is exceptionally protected from infection by vagina microbiome and also by vaginal secretions that are generally acid (low pH), and protect vagina from fungal infections.
Why doesn't it work every time?
Why not the same result for all of the other people who are in a relationship and are daily kissing their girlfriends and are practicing oral sex (mouth + vagina)?
Maybe because it only works for people who have problems with oral microbiome, and it does not work for people who have problems with allergies and intolerances, and we have already concluded that majority of the cure stories are related to allergies and intolerances, gluten and grains being very high if not on top of the list.
So, if mouth dysbiosis is the main trigger of EC (like it was for the frog-prince ), kissing and oral sex with a girl may just work wonders!
But if an allergy or intolerance is the main trigger of EC, kissing and oral sex with a girl may have absolutely no effect whatsoever.
Different people may have different EC triggers.
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This is a reply to # 2,354,682Women can also lack good bacteria in that area causing recurrent infections.
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This is a reply to # 2,354,682"majority of the cure stories" emmh i was not aware that there are so many cure stories haha. Next to Daniel i dont know one single claim, that seems reliable and refers to a real EC cure option.
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He is?! Thats why he made about 4 videos of the exact same content how he cured his EC. Why does everyone thinks he is not sure when he ALWAYS says that he is convinced his method could basically cure everyone with EC?
He says he is not sure if Aquaphor cured him, but keeping his lips moisturized did. Watch his videos and listen!
And one question @longterm? I see you basically in every thread trying to help. Do you have EC as well?- Re: It has been tested already! longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,354,769I've seen most of Daniel's videos and posts. Since there's multiple things he tried at the same time, he said that he can't pinpount what cured his lips. That's why I'm always trying to figure it out...was it the change in diet from meat to salmon as in is he allergic to meat protein or does he have a hard time digesting it? Is irt the extra fatty acids that moisturize the skin? He left a stressful job at the time as well and started spending more time in the sun. So, was it due to less stress with happier job or more vitamin D from spending more time in the sun? There are other factors he mentioned, too.
Yes, I've had EC which has been found in some celiac patients. But most celiac patients don't have have EC. So, I don't know if I had more intestinal damage due to addiction to gluten foods and long time to diagnose it. It's possible inflammation or infection from chapped lips caused it for me, but like Daniel I don't know the exact cause.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,354,787Daniel Miller said he went on dates a lot and kissed people even when he had EC. He seems to have gotten cured from the moisturize method. Getting good bacteria on your lips and then moisturizing will grow the good bacteria and cure the lips.. according to my theory.. :/
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This is a reply to # 2,354,836Cool! I hope you can try it, but it will be hard unless you already have a girlfriend. I wonder if you could substitute a person for a dog or cat. lol
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@longterm so you are cured?!
Oh and one more thing, i still have a retainer behind my teeth. This is the exact same model:
http://www.drpatrickturley.com/hub_sites/turley-patrick/www/assets/uploads/images/bonded-retainer.jpg
Do you think this could be somehow connected to my EC?- one group of people who are very muc... White Shark
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This is a reply to # 2,354,890There is one group of people who are very much overrepresented when it comes to nickel and copper allergy.
It is those who have been, at some point in their life, wearing braces or some other similar metal orthodontics placed in their mouth by an orthodontist.
Modern wires used by orthodontists are often made from stainless steel, nickel, titanium, molybdenum, copper, and traces of many other rare metals.
Wire you have in your mouth may actually contain nickel !!!!!!!
Nickel allergy have already been associated with EC in several people posting on this forum.
Have you ever been tested for nickel allergy ?
Your problem may be oral allergy syndrome, same symptoms as EC.
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This is a reply to # 2,354,956WhiteShark,
What if someone had braces but had them removed. Do you think the nickel or copper could leak into the gums and remain?- Re: one group of people who are very... White Shark
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This is a reply to # 2,354,985I don't think the problem is with accumulated metals.
The problem is with allergy.
Once you become allergic to nickel, and lets say you are extremely sensitive, you may actually react to nickel in your environment, like door knobs, kitchen ware, music instruments, weight lifting handles, machines, tools, scissors, spoons, knifes, etc..
And, of course, if you are still wearing orthodontic braces, and you have peeling lips .... the first thing to consider would be nickel or copper allergy or maybe allergy to some other metals or materials used.
Orthodontic braces are made of non-magnetized materials of different types, including plastic, metal, ceramic, or a combination. They can be
gold-plated, and some retainers can even glow in the dark.
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This is a reply to # 2,354,956Another group of people who are very much overrepresented when it comes to nickel and copper allergy are those with many piercings.
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Maybe with something like this.
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Suppliers2/The-digestive-tract-starts-with-the-lips-says-oral-probiotics-pioneer
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This is a reply to # 2,355,199The only method I can think of is by transferring good lip bacteria from someone without EC onto someone with EC, via kissing, or swabbing lips and transferring. Probably the most effective through kissing.
Everyone starts off with good bacteria on their lips, but after losing it, it doesn't seem to come back on its own. The reason I think the moisturize method didn't work for anyone else other than Daniel Miller is because he had good bacteria on his lips (from kissing) and then the moisturize method allowed the good bacteria to grow and multiply. He had no results from the "keep it dry" method because the bacteria had no moisture to grow. The moisturize method does not work for anyone else because no one else has any good bacteria on their lips to moisturize.
Unfortunately, while my theory and solution sounds simple, kissing someone is probably the hardest thing someone with EC can do. You can't simply buy something and apply it. You have to actually interact with another person, get a boyfriend/girlfriend or find someone to kiss and possibly have oral sex with (as White Shark suggested).
That is the main reason why I can't test my own theory. Actually trying it is the hard part. I have never had a girlfriend in my life without EC, so I sure as hell can't get one with EC. If someone is outgoing, unlike me, I was thinking you could try something like tinder to find someone to kiss and have oral sex with (as White Shark suggested). Isn't that what people do on tinder?
I still think my theory will work or is worth trying, especially for people who have had no benefits from diet changes, moisturize method, and have no allergies, yet still have EC.Advertisement
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- Oral probiotics are my last hope jimmybimmy
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This is a reply to # 2,354,675This is acutally my last hope at the moment. Ive been using Lactobacillus reuteri prodentis for a week and just ordered streptococcus salivarius k12 and m18.
I really hope this will help me. I notice that it benefits my oral mucosa. I don't wake up with a smelly mouth anymore and I have the impression that the peeling in the inner lips is not as frequent anymore.
Ive had great results with probiotics for the intestinal tract. Since taking them, I havent had problems with bloating.- Re: Oral probiotics are my last hope longterm
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It's interesting that you say you no longer wake up with a smelly mouth. Mouthbreathing or dry mouth from other conditions causes more bad bacteria to form. Hence, bad bacteria in the mouth can simply be related to a dry mouth. One thing recommended is to chew sugarless gum (mint flavor for breath) to produce more saliva in the mouth. I think taking mouth probitoics before bed can also help such in your case.
It was pointed out if you have white film on your tongue, then you have bad breath. Did you have white film on your tongue? Do you have it now?- Re: Oral probiotics are my last hope longterm
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This is a reply to # 2,355,319I don't remember for sure, but I thought I saw Daniel chewing gum in a video.
Also, continuing dryness of the mouth may increase the chance of fungus infections. - Re: Oral probiotics are my last hope jimmybimmy
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This is a reply to # 2,355,319Yes, I have white film on the tongue. And also on the mucous membrane (inner lips).
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This is a reply to # 2,355,299Sounds interesting. I focused on bacteria specifically on the lips, but oral bacteria could help. Keep us updated please. Any convenient method better than having to find people to kiss would be really beneficial and would help a lot more people on here.
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When i take the probiotics for the mouth i lick my lips to make sure that the probiotics also get to the lips.
Ill let you know if it helps. Have been doing it for 2 weeks now. I notice some improvement but lips still get dry and peel off.
The mucous membrane peels every in the morning. It gets white and then kind of dissolves.
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