Been diagnosed with early stages of ... 
csusr1895
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Greetings everyone.
I've recently been diagnosed with early stages of argyria as a result of taking Colloidal Silver for too long. - over 5 years
long story short, I took too much for too long and its beginning to show on the tops of my hands and finger nails. Went to the hospital to rule other issues and biopsy returned silver accumulation.
will go see dermatologist in two weeks to discuss possible treatment.
figured it was worth sharing and documenting a genuine case of argyria for once for the sake of information sharing.
-cheers
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789Fascinating!
Please tell us more about your case /condition:
Type of solution, intake frequency, method, etc.
Also, would it be possible to take pictures of your hands to show what early onset of argyria looks like(for documentation purposes)?
I have many questions but don't want to bombard you on this. - very interested in your case btw. - Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... parazapper
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789Just wanted to update this thread to say that I've established contact with the OP and that I plan on posting more detailed information on this matter in the near future: details, photo's etc etc.
PS. Please don't attack the messenger because you don't like the conclusion. There are those of us who have a genuine interested in matters.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... InCharge
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This is a reply to # 2,307,866
Just wanted to update this thread to say that I've established contact with the OP and that I plan on posting more detailed information on this matter in the near future: details, photo's etc etc.
Nothing to report yet?
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... InCharge
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This is a reply to # 2,307,866
I've established contact with the OP and that I plan on posting more detailed information on this matter in the near future: details, photo's etc etc.
No details Yet, Esstee? Maybe just a copy of the hospital bill. Redacted of personal information of course.
Really I'm interested.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,308,279Hi InCharge,
First off, I want to apologize for the delayed response on this particular topic. As it turns out the OP was kind enough to agree on a phone interview with me the following weekend, and so I was able to collect quite a bit of information regarding his condition along with facts pertaining to the solution type, dosage etc.
That said, the interview was carried out under the agreement that his story and condition be presented as a news report rather than in forums such as Curezone. To which I'd add, I'll post a summary statement along with a link to the official article once it's been published.
PS. Since my objectives are research based, I've chosen to limit my participation to that of information collecting and reporting rather than verificationism.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... InCharge
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This is a reply to # 2,309,051
PS. Since my objectives are research based, I've chosen to limit my participation to that of information collecting and reporting rather than verificationism.
You can do all the collecting of information and reporting you want, the fact is without verification it is worthless.
The "messenger" as you called him couldn't provide proof, and that is why he never responded, but you claim you were able to talk to him on the phone.
Yea right. You must think I just rolled into town, and fell off the turnip truck.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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This is a reply to # 2,309,051"...the interview was carried out under the agreement that his story and condition be presented as a news report..." WHAT THE...???
Why the hell would it be done like that? That sounds ridiculous, now I know it's BS.
For Christ sake, this is only a piss ant Internet forum, just spit the information out, or is secret squirrel business and something being edited and/or hidden?
If it can't be read here, then it's not worth reading anywhere!
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... InCharge
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Esstee
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... InCharge
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- Here is some good news for you Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789
It certainly is possible to get argyria from overuse and misuse of colloidal silver (actually ionic silver) - but it is extremely rare and difficult to do. In fact, it is so rare and difficult that Iit is easy to see how members who supporters of colloidal silver might have a hard time believing you. I don't doubt that you may have argyria. One of the first places it will show is the cuticles and fingernails. However, you really should not be overly worried. Here is some good news I would like to share with you:
The infamous "blue man" Paul Karason, who I call "Papa Smurff", improperly made his own high PPM large particle silver solution with tap water and then added salt. Besides drinking a huge quantity (over a quart per day) for over a year, he also used it topically on his face. If you want to join the smurff tribe, that is one way to do it. Another way is to take high PPM large particle silver which uses animal protein to artificially suspend the particles which would otherwise precipitate out to the bottom of the solution. Even then, it would take large quantities over a long period of time.
The first piece of good news is that argyria is not harmful. Much ado was made about his blue skin when Karason was paraded around on talk shows around the country. What was not reported was that Karason said on many progreams that he believed that the silver he took, wrongly made and wrongly taken as it was, had saved his life in three different conditions. What was also not reported was that Karason had a full physical at Mount Sinai Hospital at the invitation of one of the talk shows and was given a clean bill of health.
The second piece of good news is that your argyria will not get any worse unless you continue to take too much of the same kind you have been taking that evidently led to the beginning stages of argyria.
And the third bit of good new is that argyria CAN be reversed. I have seen reports of zeolite minerals being successfully used. And there is also the success report which begins with this thread:
http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1239644
Good luck - and in the future take a quality product (commercial or properly made at home) in reasonable amounts.
DQ
- Re: Here is some good news for you Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,307,967Hi Dquixote1217,
I've been following this Argyria case very closely and wondered if you had a link or reference for Zeolite minerals with regards to treating Argyria?
- Re: Here is some good news for you Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 2,310,455Hi my friend,
Alas I do not. I remember reading a couple of reports and hearing about it word of mouth from one of the best known makers of Colloidal Silver , but I did not save the reports or links. Have you tried a Google search for "reverse argyria with zeolite minerals" or something similar? That would be my first step and I would do it now but I am swamped at the moment.
My best,
DQ (Tony)- Re: Here is some good news for you Esstee
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This is a reply to # 2,311,336No problem and thanks for replying.
I've managed to find a few links to older discussions where the treatments were mentioned but without any pathology per say. And so I'm thinking we would start with a standard detox protocol and take it from there.
My plan was to combine this along with the typical vitamine E treatments along with an infrared sauna to see where things go. Though interesting enough, we've observed a reaction between the UV cream and skin color. ie, removal of the skin cream bringing with it a blue tint on cloth. - which is as fascinating as it is odd.
At any rate, I'll continue to post updates on treatments as things continue to move forward, though I must say the prognosis appears to be very good following the changes, of which the OP appears to be quite relieve to say the least.
- Re: Here is some good news for you Esstee
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- Re: Here is some good news for you Dquixote1217
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- Re: Here is some good news for you Esstee
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- Blue Man parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789One of the most famous cases of argyria was that of Paul Karason who appeared on a number of television shows and dies at the age of 62 and had also recently suffered a heart attack and a stroke which were not related to his argyria.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/25/science/la-sci-sn-man-blue-skin-dies-20130925
One of his lamentations was that the talk shows prevented him from telling people that he would have still take the CS because it kept him from many illnesses.
The best way to avoid argyria is to use distilled water in the preparation of CS. The use of tap water ( which has chlorine ) produces Silver Chloride which is ionic silver and can turn your skin blue.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... holysin
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789Come on man! Why bother posting this and not telling us the amount and how often a day you took it for the 5 years?
I don't want to turn blue also what was the ppm?- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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This is a reply to # 2,308,167This is what always happens on the Internet, hype, bullshit, innuendo, guilt by association, and making wild statements without giving any relevant factual information.
It's what the Marketers do, like making statements that Ionic will cause Argyria....BULLSHIT! If anyone has made that statement, then they had better spell out exactly what they were ingesting/doing? Find me any relative research into the home made Predominantly Ionic Silver solution? I will state here that you won't find any? Not just waffle on about a "somebody" who "did" something "somewhere"?
I have never found any relevant data substantiating that statement in my 13 years involvement with EIS?
The US FDA has 'nil' information regarding the home made product to date, (Predominantly Ionic Silver solution), our TGA has 'nil' information regarding the home made product either to date, again the Predominantly Ionic Silver solution. Again, "guilt by association". If it looks like a duck, and it swims like a duck, then it MUST be a duck...Ridiculous? Even our TGA couldn't answer any of my questions pertaining to the home made product. The only information they found has come from the Internet, well that's scientific researched data I'm sure?
The good old 'duck' scenario.
Why do I say it's all about 'guilt by association'? Because they have NOTHING to report about the home made product, and they don't even look at the home made product, they are NOT interested in the home made product! They are ONLY interested in that 'CS' stuff, or compound there of, or using powdered silver thereof, or some other proprietary process there of.
Wise up people!- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... holysin
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This is a reply to # 2,308,174Ya I found two storys online of turning blue from sliver. One from like the 60s and I'm sure it had huge chucks of sliver and not nano.
Or the blue guy drinking like 1 liter of colloidal sliver a day and gods knows what kind of sliver it was.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... holysin
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Philo Zworykin
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This is a reply to # 2,308,167I'm a long time user of CS and not a paid shill for Big Pharma. From what I'd read on the Silver List and the CS Yahoo Group many years ago, I was led to believe that at 20 PPM, it is simply not possible to get argyria. The scare stories all featured a small handful of individuals who took highly concentrated silver soups.
As it turns out, if you ingest enough properly made CS, you can get argyria. My argyria is quite mild, and it has faded a bit with time, possibly with help from chlorella, selenium, and Far Infrared Sauna . I had been fighting a chronic low grade infection and was drinking 1-3 12oz glasses of CS per day for several years.
My advice now is to not use it long term, if possible. And limit consumption to 6oz per day.
I am fortunate in that I still have my tonsils, and the other day, one of them swelled a bit and felt scratchy. That's my early warning system that I'm coming down with something, and I used CS for the first time in almost two years. I gargled and drank half a glass, and my tonsil was back to normal the next day. I'm still a huge fan of CS, but I now use it with great restraint.- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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This is a reply to # 2,308,477Here's another one?
I may seem rude here, but I don't mean to be.
Quote: "1-3 12oz glasses a day, and over several years?" Let me think...Hmmmmm, 3x12oz glasses (350ml each glass thereabouts) every day for several years would equate to 36 ounces, or 1 litre for every day for several years...!! WHAT THE...???
Well, which is it then? 1, or 3, or somewhere in-between of 12 oz glasses a day for several years?
Could it be contributed to the silver or something else other than the silver? I doubt it provable.
Did you know your issue needed that much to help. Yes/No?
Did you know or understand that amount in the long term may cause some side effect? Yes/No?
Was it home produced? Yes/No?
What was the approximation ppm? Remember, all readings in the home kitchen are only "approximations" of ppm, a ball park figure. No home used meter are accurate and are NOT calibrated for 'silver' in solution!
Was it produced using only room temperature DW with no other fancy additions to that water? Yes/No?
There are many questions which could be asked here?
People need to learn more about how this stuff works before just shoving something in their mouths before getting some understanding of what they are using?
Make the distinction between the shop bought product, (so called 'CS'), and the home made product such as the Predominantly Ionic Silver solution will cause Argyria?
Ascertain how, can, why, when, what product, short or long term ingestion etc etc etc before making statements and/or assumptions?
You obviously did your own thing, and then make a wild statement people "can get Argyria" unless you supply more information so they can draw their own conclusions?
NOTE: I don't want you to tell me any of this because I don't care what you did, I'm making my own 'wild statements' here. By your own admission you obviously did something *wrong*! I'm just highlighting the inaccuracies in your statement, and this 'blue' bullshit will have other people thinking they might turn 'blue'...*IF* they do as you have done?
YOU did something wrong, so now help educate other people to know what YOU did wrong so they don't make the same mistake before they do? Don't just say this will cause Argyria because that is simply not the truth?
I've said it before, people should STOP reading those comics that abound on the Internet. Study up more. Research and read more relevant information and people might learn more.
EDIT: If you are talking about the so called 'CS' stuff as is bought from the store, then all bets are off! Everything here can be ignored. Have a good day.- Ino White Shark
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This is a reply to # 2,308,622Ino,
your reply does sound pretty rude.
As do few other replies on this thread (in charge).
I am just going to address your first question.
If I tell you I am drinking between 1 and 3 glasses of something per day, you could try to calculate what would be an average per day, and you would probably get an average of 2 glasses per day.
Why is it so hard to believe for people that someone might get mild case of argyria by drinking CS?
And, to comment those other rude comments ... at least nobody can now claim that Philo Z. joined curezone just for the sake of trolling and scaring people from trying CS.
Apparently, Philo Z. has been posting on curezone for longer than a year, and he himself actually doubted argyria cold be caused by consuming CS:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2197705#i
People, please grow up and stop childish behavior.
Before you next time accuse anyone of posting any message just for the sake of trolling ... take a looong, deep breath and ask yourself:
"Am I going to sound rude by accusing other people of trolling?"
Making negative assumptions about other people is opposite of being supportive.
I am well aware that this message I am posting sounds rude. But, that is exactly the point, giving people possibility "to taste their own medicine".
WS
- Careful WhiteShark! Someone might ac... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,308,648Careful WhiteShark! Someone might accuse you of being ParaZapper in disguise.
- Re: Ino InCharge
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This is a reply to # 2,308,648
your reply does sound pretty rude.
As do few other replies on this thread (in charge).You need somebody to show you how to bypass threads that don't meet your approval?
- Careful WhiteShark! Someone might ac...
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Philo Zworykin
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This is a reply to # 2,308,622Quantity consumed varied from day to day. It was generally one to three 12oz glasses.
I was operating under the assumption that it was the same condition that I had successfully held in check with CS many years earlier. After a couple years, I did a crazy supplement protocol I got from a medical intuitive, and the condition cleared up for 11+ years, except for the occasional flare-up when I'd eat the wrong food or get really run down. The only CS I took during those 11 years was during the flare-ups.
A few years ago, the same condition seemed to have returned, and I started taking CS for it. However, this time, it wasn't working. So, I ended up guzzling even more of the stuff because I was so convinced that it was the same low-grade infection from before. Finally, an ooga-booga muscle testing chiropractor determined it was fungal and that I needed to take a supplement I could only buy on the Internet (blackmoldrelief.com). I took the product at a higher than recommended dose, per the chiro's instructions, and it cleared it up in about a month.
My CS is homemade, using distilled rainwater and pure silver with the Colloid Master from wishgranted.com. Because I added a stirring mechanism, my CS is crystal clear instead of pale yellow. On a Hanna PWT, it measures a little over 20 uS. My distilled water measures around .8 uS. No added salt or anything. I had been led to believe from earlier online discussions that argyria was impossible to get from CS in the 20 PPM range. Turns out, they were wrong. Granted, mine's a very mild case, and it has faded quite a bit. Some people don't even notice it; some people stare at me. Staring most often happens in stores with fluorescent lighting. It was never scary blue like Paul Karason.- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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This is a reply to # 2,308,727At last! Finally, someone has some intelligence. See, that was not so difficult was it, explaining and giving a little more information. Now people can make some assumptions and figure out why you *may* have had an issue with silver?
With the information you have provided, people now can work with something.
Homemade...For a start, it is NOT 'CS' as defined by acceptable literature. There is a distinction between 'CS' and the home made solution, i.e. Predominantiy Ionic silver solution. If people want to call their solution 'CS' then they had better read and study up on what constitutes a colloidal solution.
People say their 'CS?' causes Argyria, well, they are not ingesting the so called 'CS' for a start, if they are ingesting one teaspoon or a bucket, either one day in a year or every day for years. This is why marketers say they have "true Colloidal Silver ", they *may* have, but the home maker do NOT make a 'true colloidal' silver solution by definition. See, guilt by association, they don't understand the difference between both products.
Even the Regulators understand the difference between the 'CS' and the home made stuff! They already know there is a distinction between both products! You will never read anything published from Regulators regarding the home made product, it will always be the so called 'CS' product they write and regulate about. Think about that for a while, now try and find some information relating to the home made Predominantly ionic product? I'm going to state you won't find any?
Obviously when people ingest in similar amounts as you have done, then of course there *could* be some side effect, it's way overkill. Besides that, whatever else had they taken in conjunction with silver? Again, there is not enough information for anyone to work with, there are just too many things people do, or ingest.
Many people assume silver will be the magic bullet which helps or fixes everything, it is NOT. Again, they should stop reading those comic books in the Internet.
Some people also insist on 4x9 silver, that's bullshit, 99.9 is perfectly fine. 99.9 silver is actually assayed at 99.98%, that's near enough to be four nine silver, consequently they are not permitted to class it as 4x9 purity silver, think about that for a minute. The amount of impurities in that 3x9 silver people are ingesting is infinitesimal.
Thank You for writing your well thought out message. You obviously can think for yourself better than most.- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Philo Zworykin
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This is a reply to # 2,308,804Homemade CS/EIS does typically contain some percentage of colloids. My CS/EIS does exhibit the Tyndall effect when I shine a laser through it. The numbers bandied about online, back in the early 2000s, is that typical homemade is 85% ionic, 15% colloidal. To this day, the proprietary silver product hucksters still battle about whether it's colloids or ions that are more effective.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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This is a reply to # 2,308,897"Particles"...Yes, so now find out EXACTLY what those particles consist of and how they are constructed in the home made stuff?
What does it matter to you anyway? Unless you are an expert or have a laboratory in your kitchen it shouldn't matter to you, or anyone else who makes this stuff? Keep things simple if you aren't studying a Diploma in Chemistry or Biology, even then you won't read anything related to the home made product.
Without necessary laboratory analysis and ancillary equipment it doesn't matter to people with the home made stuff. All you can make is the best can be made in your kitchen. And don't look at those TEM images blah blah on the Internet, they only show what is on a glass slide, and if they did, they would only show the best dispersion in a *part* of that drop on that glass slide, what did the rest of that sample showed? I don't believe anyone has shown in vivo of OUR home made product? Plenty of the 'CS' stuff, but that is not what you are making in the home kitchen.
Don't get tangled up with the intricacies, that only brings in techno-babble and double talk, keep it simple. The more you read, the more you will *need* to learn, it is not an exact Science in vivo anyway. Still more needs to be understood about this stuff by researchers...If there are any *genuine* researchers left nowadays?
So long as your product is clear or yellow and has no 'mud' laying in the bottom of your vessel or having to filter it blah blah, then it's as good as it will ever be made. It will be equal and is as effective health wise, or possibly better, than any shop bought stuff.
Both the bought and home made product is as efficacious. Keep things simple, as Beck did, but with better water of course than he did.
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Philo Zworykin
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... #208154
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This is a reply to # 2,308,727If your 'CS' is clear or even light yellow (a small portion of the silver has 'reduced') ... it is actually ionic silver.
Consuming ionic silver WILL eventually cause you to get argyria.
Real Colloidal Silver at the lower concentrations ~20 ppm will have a yellow color very similar to J&J Baby Shampoo.
Real Colloidal Silver will NOT cause argyria.
Ionic silver has a metallic taste.
Real Colloidal Silver tastes much like water.
IMHO, your manner of production is missing a couple steps ... that is why you have mostly ionic silver ... that is why you may turn blue!
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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- Ino White Shark
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... ino
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- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... naturesniff
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This is a reply to # 2,307,789Sorry to hear about your misfortune.
Well three things have happened here:
1. Chemical Colloidal Silver will trigger Argyria
2. If you have been making your own Colloidal Silver what did you put into it to trigger the Argyria.
3. If nothing that you particle sizes were too large and getting stuck in the cell membranes.
There is also a chance that you may genetically inclined to turning blue, like the Fugates of Kentucky, an naturally blue skin family. They have been that way for decades if not hundreds of years.
Which is why I always encourage people to get Atomic Particle Colloidal Silver , the particles are way too small to get stuck anywhere.
When a cell dies off and if there is an atomic particle of silver in the cell, that cell along with the silver particle will get excreted with 30 billion other waste cells that the body will not need any more.
When you consider that GoldenGevity Inc., does not use any catalysts at all to make their High PPM Atomic Particle Silver. That is the best way to go if you really think about it.
You can read more about the Fugates here:
http://www.gold2live.com/Blue-Man-Smiles-After-Hoax.html
- Re: Been diagnosed with early stages... Esstee
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