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Romans 10:17
Jim Davis
A lady was having an elegant party and wanted to serve mushrooms, but was a little uncertain about the mushrooms, so she fed some to the dog. He ate them and everything seemed all right, so the mushrooms were prepared and served. During the party the maid hurried to the hostess and said, "The dog is dead." The guests rushed to the hospital and had their stomachs pumped. After the confusion was over, the maid said, "That car sure did mess up the dog."
We often do not really hear what is said. President Franklin D. Roosevelt got tired of smiling that big smile and saying the usual things at all those White House receptions. So, one evening he decided to find out whether anybody was paying attention to what he was saying. As each person came up to him with extended hand, he flashed that big smile and said, "I murdered my grandmother this morning." People would automatically respond with comments such as "How lovely!" or "Just continue with your great work!" Nobody listened to what he was saying, except one foreign diplomat. When the president said, "I murdered my grandmother this morning," The diplomat responded softly, "I'm sure she had it coming to her."
Just having the ability to hear doesn't guarantee an accurate reception of a message. Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." (Luke 8:8 NIV)
Hearing the Gospel Is Our Primary Task
After listening restlessly to a long and tedious sermon, a 6-year-old boy asked his father what the preacher did the rest of the week. "Oh, he's a very busy man," the father replied. "He takes care of church business, visits the sick, ministers to the poor.... And then he has to have time to rest up. Talking in public isn't an easy job, you know."
The boy thought about that, then said, "Well, listening ain't easy, either."
One thing that really makes hearing difficult is that what we already believe and feel affects what we hear.
Matthew 13:13-15
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' (NIV)
The trouble with hearing is that often what we believe and feel comfortable with affects how we hear. We endeavor to interpret everything we hear in light of what we already know. This kind of hearing rejects what is not consistent with what I already believe. It is little wonder that Jesus warns us to take heed to how we hear.
Think about the weakness of this kind of approach to hearing and knowing God. Only accepting what we hear, which confirms what we already believe, closes our minds and hearts to discovery. What scientist would go out and on a study in any field of Science rejecting everything that didn't confirm what he already believed? The purpose of scientific discovery is to validate or invalidate what we know or think we know.
There was a time when everyone believed the world was flat. What if no one ever challenged that belief? What if we were still walking around on what we believed was a flat earth? Too many are afraid to have what they believe and feel challenged. But challenging what we believe is never dangerous. It will only confirm or deny what we believe and feel.
Sadly, too often the world does not encourage and honest search for truth. We rather remain comfortable with what we already believe. Galileo an Italian astronomer and physicist (1564-1642) was the first to use a telescope to study the stars (1610), he was an outspoken advocate of Copernicus's theory that the sun forms the center of the universe, which led to his persecution and imprisonment by the Inquisition (1633). At the time of this theory men believed that man and the earth was the center of the universe. A continual search for truth is absolutely essential in religion and science.
The first step to coming to God is hearing what he says. This should be the purpose of a study of the scriptures. We must allow the scriptures to validate or invalidate our beliefs.
I know an atheist that was asking a preacher some hard questions. The preacher told the atheist that he ought not to ask such questions. The preacher was actually asking the man to close his mind to further discovery. Of course, that was the end of the conversation.
It's easy to be completely sincere about what you believe and yet be badly mistaken! There was a physician who was administering a controlled mixture of oxygen and anesthetic gas to a patient in a New York hospital. When one of the tanks was empty, the doctor used a new one marked Oxygen. Almost immediately the patient died.
The coroner's autopsy revealed carbon dioxide poisoning. Upon investigation the second tank was found to contain pure CO2 and had somehow been mislabeled. The manufacturer denied any wrongdoing. No one knew how it could have gotten by the inspectors. The doctor had no doubt that he was using oxygen when he administered the lethal gas. No one wanted the tragedy to happen, yet they were all sincerely wrong.
This incident demonstrates that good intentions are not enough. Likewise, in the matter of salvation, many people are saying, "As long as I am sincere, I'll come out all right in the end." But they are sadly mistaken. One must be absolutely certain about eternal matters. Many things called "Salvation," "Forgiveness," and "Life" are mislabeled.
When these things are mislabeled they prevent our reception of God's Word. Hearing can only come by the Word of God. (Romans 10:17)
Believing An Important Part of Hearing
While making a brief Christmas address to the people of the British Empire in 1939, King George VI spoke of his faith in God's leading. World War II had begun, and Great Britain faced the onslaughts of Hitler's reckless military barrage. As the King spoke to the people on that Christmas day, he concluded his remarks with these lines written by Minnie Louise Haskins some 30 years earlier: "And I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year: 'Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown." And he replied: 'Go out into the darkness and put your hand in the Hand of God.' That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way.'"
We don't have to fear. We have Someone to guide us even in the darkest night. That's why the psalmist could say, "Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me." God's presence enables us to face the unknown with complete confidence.
Faith in God is the only thing that will open our hearts to truth. When we hear something that conflicts with what we feel and believe in our hearts, it may be time to place our hand into the hand of God and allow him to lead us out of our darkness. It is faith in God that will take us beyond the limitations of sense and feeling. Faith will pick us up where sense and feeling will let us down. Faith in God is the only thing that will allow us to truly hear what he is saying.
True faith continually leads us into the unknown but it always brings us into the presence of God. I am not talking about some kind of subjective revelation that has no basis in the revealed, objective, received, written Word. Too many rely on their own private revelations interpreting the Word as they please. It should be obvious that people like Jim Jones, David Koresh and the Hale Bob Comet folks have perverted the truth of God through their own private interpretations. Someone suggested that their private interpretations had more to do with indigestion than the leading of the Spirit.
It is the Word of God that leads us safely through the unknown. Whatever we believe---must be consistent with God's written Word. If we believe and feel that something is so, but we cannot find support for it in the Word we must conclude that what we believe and feel isn't from God.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
Repentance Is the Key to Hearing
We can only really hear God with a repentant heart. An atheistic barber, walking through the city slums with a minister, remarked, "This is why I can't believe in a God of love. If He is as kind as they say, why does He permit all this poverty, disease, and squalor? How can He allow these poor people to be addicted to dope and other character-destroying habits?"
The minister was silent until they met a man who was especially unkempt and filthy. His hair was hanging down his neck, and he had half an inch of stubble on his face. The preacher was ready with his response: "You can't be a very good barber or you wouldn't permit a man like that to continue living in this neighborhood without a haircut and a shave."
Indignantly the atheist answered, "Why blame me for that man's condition? I can't help it if he's like that. He has never given me a chance! If he would only come to my shop, I could fix him up and make him look like a gentleman!"
Giving the barber a penetrating look, the minister said, "Then don't blame God for allowing these people to continue in their evil ways when He longs to speak to them and give them directions for salvaging their lives. They are slaves to sin and evil habits because they refuse to heed God's word and accept the One who died to save and deliver them."
Only those who are open to follow God can truly hear. Only as we follow the light, will we have new light by which to walk.
Matthew 13:11-12
He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. (NIV)
Note that Jesus says, "Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance . . ." This is spoken in the context of Christ saying, "He that hath ears, let him hear." Our reception of what we hear determines whether God will reveal more. Only as we endeavor to live up to what we already know will we get more knowledge.
In Luke's account, Luke writes in the same context: "Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him." (Luke 8:18 NIV) This is a clear indication that if we do not properly receive what we have heard we will lose what we have gained.
1 Thessalonians 5:19-22
Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. (NKJ)
We can quench the Spirit's burning desire to lead us. If the Spirit is leading us, and we come to a point that we refuse to follow, it is at that point that we will cease to learn more of God's revealed will. It is at that point that God will cease giving us wisdom.
It is true that we can continue to study the Word of God, we can analyze it, dissect it and even memorize it, but without a determination to turn our lives in repentance . . . unless their is a determination to line our actions and thinking up with God's word, the Spirit of God will cease to lead us. A fleshly effort to understand the Word through research and history is far different than one's effort to understand and obey. The results are far different also. If we are not careful we will only be walking in what we think or some scholar thinks.
There must be a living dependence upon what is revealed before we can truly hear more. When we commit in repentance to obey God's Word, God will enable us to understand more. When we come to God seeking wisdom to understand and apply his word to our lives, it is at that moment that we will receive understanding from God. Only as we are open to hear God and receive and act upon His word can we ever receive further revelation from Him.
Romans 10:8-11
But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (NIV)
Hearing Must Lead to Confession
The Scriptures are full of expressions like "the word of the Lord came unto me," and "God spoke all these words." Someone has counted such phrases and says that they appear 680 times in the Pentateuch, 196 times in its poetical books, 481 times in the historical writings, and 370 times in its prophetic portions. Never did the Lord communicate to us more clearly, however, than in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ; for He is the brightness of the Father's glory, "the express image of His person." One writer has aptly commented, "Jesus is the best photograph God ever had taken."
Jesus is the perfect communication of God. Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the father." (John 14:9)
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. (NIV)
All of us have bought an item that needed to be assembled. The manufacture gives you written instructions along with a blown up diagram of how everything fits together. That is what God has done in Christ. God has given us instructions but he gave us a living diagram of how his word works in the life of Christ.
Jesus' actions and words were so effective in revealing God's plan that when two blind men followed him they called out to him, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!" (Matthew 9:27) They understood whom Jesus was when others failed to understand. Jesus made it possible for even the blind to see.
Matthew 9:27-30
As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!" When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" "Yes, Lord," they replied. Then he touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you"; and their sight was restored. (NIV)
It is not enough to hear the word. We must see how it is to work through the life of Christ.
Romans 10:8-11
But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (NIV)
Confessing Christ is paramount to declaring you dependence on hearing what God has to say through Christ. It is little wonder that John in the opening of his gospel refers to Jesus as the "Word." Christ is the communication of God and we must hear him.
Conclusion:
When Matthew speaks of hearing he reveals that Jesus said "He that hath ears, let him hear."
When Mark speaks of hearing he reveals that Jesus said, "Be careful what we hear."
When Luke speaks of hearing he reveals that Jesus said, "Take heed how you hear."
Proverbs 2:6-10
For the LORD gives wisdom, and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. He holds victory in store for the upright, he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless, for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones. Then you will understand what is right and just and fair-- every good path. For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. (NIV)
Steps to salvation: Hear, believe, repent, confess and be baptized.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,771This guy is Church of Christ so it makes me wonder if he is following his own advice in some of what he says in this article.
"The trouble with hearing is that often what we believe and feel comfortable with affects how we hear. We endeavor to interpret everything we hear in light of what we already know. This kind of hearing rejects what is not consistent with what I already believe. It is little wonder that Jesus warns us to take heed to how we hear.
Think about the weakness of this kind of approach to hearing and knowing God. Only accepting what we hear, which confirms what we already believe, closes our minds and hearts to discovery.
Sadly, too often the world does not encourage and honest search for truth. We rather remain comfortable with what we already believe.
The first step to coming to God is hearing what he says. This should be the purpose of a study of the scriptures. We must allow the scriptures to validate or invalidate our beliefs."
True! And it makes me think about the hell topic since that has been on my mind lately. Why are so many pastors and other christians so closed to an honest search for truth on this subject but instead shut it down and discourage someone from truly studying the scriptures about it?
"But challenging what we believe is never dangerous. It will only confirm or deny what we believe and feel."
That's right! So why can't the hell topic for example be challenged without so many being scared to death for it to be challenged?
In that debate I posted below, the guy arguing the Traditional position said something like "We should not Rethink Hell because if we do that, then people will start Rethinking everything the church has taught." First of all, I don't even understand that statement in light of the fact that there are disagreements galore in the church so it's not like the church is teaching all the same things anyway. Second of all, what is the danger of Rethinking everything, re-studying everything, and seeking God for the truth instead of relying on the church for it? What if the reformers had done that? What if they hadn't rethought anything and just listened to the church. I don't think many of us would have wanted that to happen.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,850Vektek: True! And it makes me think about the hell topic since that has been on my mind lately. Why are so many pastors and other christians so closed to an honest search for truth on this subject but instead shut it down and discourage someone from truly studying the scriptures about it?
Answer: Ask God. I already had an honest search for truth on this subject. My questions were not answered because you said you could not find them in the bible. Knowing how "flesh" is going to stand before God in heaven during judgement, is a very important point to resolve. So if your idea that flesh can stand before God in heaven then we have to figure out why scripture is understood wrong. Like I said...I gave you many outs to try and prove your point with, so you can't say that I didn't try to see it your way. You didn't even try and take me up on them. All you say is that you can't find the answer in the bible. I found my answer in the bible. You even quoted it.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
Vektek: True! And it makes me think about the hell topic since that has been on my mind lately. Why are so many pastors and other christians so closed to an honest search for truth on this subject but instead shut it down and discourage someone from truly studying the scriptures about it?
Answer: If God doesn't answer you, then ask your Pastor. I already told you my reason of believing the way I do, and debated my point as well I know how. If God gives me more revelation then I will debate some more on the subject.
Vektek: "...the guy arguing the Traditional position said something like "We should not Rethink Hell because if we do that, then people will start Rethinking everything the church has taught."
Answer:
"It is the Word of God that leads us safely through the unknown. Whatever we believe---must be consistent with God's written Word. If we believe and feel that something is so, but we cannot find support for it in the Word we must conclude that what we believe and feel isn't from God."
Apparently none of us have gathered all the info needed as of yet on the subject to come to the same place in understanding. It has not been consistent. So I'm going to stay where I am until proven otherwise, just like I am on the subject of flat earth, believing the earth is a globe.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,867Well I didn't see anyone say where the White Throne Judgment was going to be. I was still waiting for an answer from you on that one since you said it was important for the discussion.
But Jesus is going to be the judge scripture says and he has been amongst flesh before.
All those passages you quoted above are pertaining to believers, so I'm not sure what your point is there.
My post wasn't directed at you specifically but the fact that with the hell topic for example, most are closed off to discussing it I've seen. As I was reading that article, I agreed with him that we shouldn't be closed off to being challenged and challenging things should not be considered dangerous. But even you seemed very unhappy with me posting about that topic to begin with and I don't understand that.- Re: Faith Comes by Hearing refreshed
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This is a reply to # 2,295,875Lol, well I asked for your opinion on where heaven was going to be because of the scripture in revelation 21 about the new Jerusalem.
Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Further down in scripture it says:
24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
So I was giving you an out here...in case heaven came down to earth and the people still robed in flesh would be judged on the outside of the new jerusalem.
Yes it is talking mostly about believers but it also shows us something important about the unsaved.
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
For we all start out as the perishable, until we are clothed in the imperishable. Which is the white robe of righteousness which is Christ. That glorified body is our reward. The rest of the perishable will not receive one. They will only have what-ever body that can stand before the Lord during judgement. So either they stand before the Lord outside of heaven/new jerusalem and be judged or they have an non-flesh spirit that stands before God. In other words the flesh stays outside while the spirit goes before the throne. Do you see the point I'm making about this issue?
I'm fine with the debate. I think I was more shocked that you came right out of the bliss of christmas wanting to debate such a hot topic. lol
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This is a reply to # 2,295,883"Do you see the point I'm making about this issue?"
No, I really don't. You may have to tell me exactly what you are trying to prove with this line of reasoning for me to get it. :)
"I'm fine with the debate. I think I was more shocked that you came right out of the bliss of christmas wanting to debate such a hot topic. lol"
As good of a time as ever as far as I'm concerned. lol
"Yes it is talking mostly about believers but it also shows us something important about the unsaved."
Sure, it says:
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
Which is very true! But with the Traditional view of hell, the unsaved don't end up perishing at all, they are imperishable because nothing will ever destroy or kill them, and they will have immortality forever, despite what the scriptures say.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,884Last time....last chance to answer. How will fleshly robed unbelievers stand before God in the Great White Throne of Judgement when many scriptures say flesh and blood can not enter heaven, neither can anything unclean.
I can't ask it any simpler than that. If you know for a fact that people will die the second death in resurrected flesh, then you should know the answer to this question. Right?- Re: Faith Comes by Hearing vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,295,895Who says the White Throne Judgement is held in heaven? That's what I kept asking you over and over. Where is it held if that's so important, and you never gave an answer.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,898Lol, ok. Now I see you are going to use one of my outs I gave you. Let's compare it in different ways to get the answer.
If the judgement is in heaven, will flesh/unclean enter?
If the judgement is in heaven that has come from above (to earth) in the form of the new jerusalem, will flesh/unclean enter?
Is there any scripture to prove that the great white throne judgement will not be held in heaven?- Re: Faith Comes by Hearing vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,295,902R:If the judgement is in heaven, will flesh/unclean enter?
nope, not according the scriptures
R:If the judgement is in heaven that has come from above (to earth) in the form of the new jerusalem, will flesh/unclean enter?
nope, not according to the scriptures
R:Is there any scripture to prove that the great white throne judgement will not be held in heaven?
not that I know of, but I don't know of any that do prove it's in heaven either, so that's why I think talking about where the White Throne Judgement will be held doesn't help the debate on either side and the discussion can continue without that information.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,909Vektek: "...not that I know of, but I don't know of any that do prove it's in heaven either..."
Answer: Exactly, now you know why I say that none of us can claim (at this time) we are absolutely correct unless the Holy Spirit finds us the answer in between the scriptures. So everyone be on the look out as you study your bibles and don't neglect the old testament...and keep asking in prayer. :)
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This is a reply to # 2,295,921So if God doesn't give us an answer for every question we have on a particular topic, that means we can't come to the truth on that matter with the rest of information he gives us?
What if the answer to where the White Throne Judgement will be held is just not in there? Then the truth about hell cannot be known?
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This is a reply to # 2,295,927You can hold to your opinion and I to mine until we find more to go on. Like it was said, it's not a salvation issue, however, when it comes to sharing/teaching others, I think it becomes more critical that we have correct info to share.
Whether it can be "known" it truly possible, but perhaps not understood among all of us at the same time. Otherwise we would all be in agreement. God gives revelation to people all the time. You could very well be right and I could be wrong...or even both of us wrong on the issue. I have a feeling that the info is somewhere to be found. We just have not run across it as yet. Or maybe it's suppose to be hidden. I don't know.
Now these scriptures I looked up do not answer our question but it gives us a little bit more to visualize as we think about how or where will the judgements take place. And most of all who will be involved with the judgements with Christ.
Matthew 19:27Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" 28And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life...
Luke 22:30
so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the Lord's people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Revelation 4:4
Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
2 Peter 3:12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD.
Isaiah 66:22
"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure.
Romans 8:21
that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
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This is a reply to # 2,295,934refreshed: however, when it comes to sharing/teaching others, I think it becomes more critical that we have correct info to share.
mst: yes i completely agree that it is very important to not be over-confident about things we do not truly know and if we merely have an opinion about something, then it should be stated as an opinion, not as a certainty. This to me would be representative of responsible teaching.
Eternal suffering in hell is commonly spoken of as if it were absolute fact as if the proponent who has never actually died to find out for himself has no doubt whatsoever. I personally view this behavior as irresponsible as well as religious.- Re: Faith Comes by Hearing refreshed
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This is a reply to # 2,295,952Ed, I hate to burst your bubble, but our confidence level is still at an all time high. All we have done here is agree that we don't know where all the information is at this time.
If you believe all christians must know where every bit of information can be found in the bible at any given moment, then your expectations are way too high to be debating with us. For you will be sadly disappointed and you will only cause frustration for us as we try to do the right thing here.
Again if you will jump in and help search for the answers instead of refereeing, we may get somewhere. This is my second request.
1 John 3:21-22
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.
Jeremiah 17:7
“But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose confidence is in him.
Hebrews 10:35
So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.- Re: Faith Comes by Hearing Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 2,295,981i am not sure how you are able to so completely miss my point over and over again, but it makes it feel like trying to communicate with you is time and energy wasted. i don't think it's intentional on your part though, more like the result of confusion. are you actually equating over-confidence with the doctrine of eternal suffering in hell with having confidence in the Lord as if they are the same thing?
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refreshed: however, when it comes to sharing/teaching others, I think it becomes more critical that we have correct info to share.
mst: yes i completely agree that it is very important to not be over-confident about things we do not truly know and if we merely have an opinion about something, then it should be stated as an opinion, not as a certainty.
Answer: I never said anything about that we shouldn't be over-confident...you added that as though you agreed with me saying it.
I still have a lot of confidence in what I believe and I have confidence that the Lord leads me to Truth. Like I said to Vektek...I do believe it is possible for the info to be "known".
Intent can be a funny thing. ;)
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This is a reply to # 2,295,867Refreshed: So I'm going to stay where I am until proven otherwise, just like I am on the subject of flat earth, believing the earth is a globe.
MST: Right on, i believe the earth is a globe too!
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