Coffee Enemas deplete b12?! 
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Do coffee enemas deplete b12?
I am wondering this after learning about beginning methylation and titrating up on active b12's/folate, you are supposed to initally avoid glutothione supps as it uses up active b12 super quick.
So I'm wondering if the highly effective coffee enema, which is said to produce 700% more glutothione in the liver, would quickly deplete the body's store of b12?
After my last spree of coffee enemas over the last month, I had started to notice a tremor in my feet, like tingling in the liver meridian. After 5 days on the mb12, it has gone away finally. Curious, isn't it?
Please chime in with your thoughts...:)
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This is a reply to # 2,238,747Hey Miked1025,
Sort of, but it's like sometimes I get gout in the left big toe. I know it's liver, must be. What do you think it is?
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well yeah. the liver meridian begins at the inside of the nail bed of the big toe. Nail fungus normally starts at the big toe which is a sign of congestion in the liver,not all get this but as you can see not everyone has the same symptoms of liver congestion, although alot have identical symptoms or add or take away a few.
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This is a reply to # 2,238,808Thank God I escaped the dreaded toe fungus! It seems like everyone I know has it but me, but then again I am the canary in the coal mine that lives like a vegan fruit eating monk, so maybe that's my reward:)
BTW, now that we are on the subject of fungus. I just thought I'd share that I have a mole on my right cheeck by me ear that has been there my whole life. Since doing liver flushing/colonics/CEs, it is almost disappeared.
Also, I noticed yesterday a mole on my mid right back is fading and almost disappeared. ASLO, those little purple/red dots that I see everybody getting these days, two of them are fading on my lower abdomen,
This has all got to be good stuff! And I am taking no anti fungals, or anyting. I do eat low fat/high carb. I believe this helps tremendously as blood sugar is balanced from this.
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That's interesting, for a few days last month my second toe on the left foot was aching for an hour or so upon rising. It happened for about a week and then stopped, I have no known injuries there?
Have also been taking a lot of NAC which is a glutathione precursor but was really great at sorting out the muscle tightness in my back which I eventually figured was caused by a congested liver. After my first flush that tightness started to go away without taking the NAC so I have stayed off it for the last month or so. Am coming up to about 6 weeks since my last flush, I let it go as I was doing the Humaworm cleanse and wanted to wait 10 days or so before doing flush number three, which will happen on Saturday. Will update then. I expect my iherb order of B vits to be here tomorrow too.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,239,252Great Director, good luck with the active b12 protocol, it is helping me so much, I can't even believe it. I had a feeling I just needed something simple like this, and low and behold, I did.
Also, my liver is doing way better now with this protocol, bile flow has normalized dramatically, it's amazing...all the best
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This is a reply to # 2,239,304Hi HappyManatee,
May I ask about your b12 protocol? You wrote to me on another post about depleting my b12. I have recently started doing lots of coffee enemas. I follow them with a homemade 24 hour SCD yogurt enema (made with raw goat's milk), however, and I've begun adding liquid chlorophyll to that (which also contains b12) so I'm wondering if the b12 from the yogurt is absorbing through the intestines above the colon (which is where b12 is supposed to absorb).
I can't eat any flour and I don't drink store bought milk but I do take a b vitamin every day.
I have also been on a glutathione binge - I've been taking NAC for quite some time now and have added glutathione caps sometimes orally and most times to the coffee enemas.
After reading your posts I'm a little worried now that I'm depleting my b12.
Thank you,
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Hi Monroe444,
So happy that someone has an ear for this info, that is why I keep posting it. AF (I used to think I had it for years, but now I don't believe in it) could very well and most likely is improper supplementation or lack of supplementation of b vitamins.
I think you are super wise to pick up on these things as they are cutting edge and could save you hella problems with your health.
Re the Glutothione. Supping it has helped some and crashed many more. Check out this thread by the 2 men in the world who know more about supping b vitamins for people with chronic (PWCs) diseases:
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/methylation-protocol-and-glutathione.11017/
Freddd is who I chose to follow ultimately because he pulled himself out of a 30 year CFS/ME hole with this info and has heped hundreds do the same. He has read over 100 studies on b12, md's come to him for advice in helping their family members recover. It is really working for me, but I am following it to the letter. Here is a concise breakdown of the protocol:
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/my-understanding-of-freddds-protocol.1697/
The key is to understand the need for potassium that will hit after starting. I eat tons of bananas and coconut water and I still needed it believe it or not.
I would stop the Glutathione and coffee enemas for now, then restart CEs after you feel stabalized. Ahmo, a member of that board, does CEs with Freddd's protocol no problem. But she has been supping properly with the right b's for 2 years. I believe CEs and liver flushes can flush out a lot if not all the body's reserves of b vitamins. Doesn't make them bad, just have to prepare for them...Good luck!
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This is a reply to # 2,238,744the enemas don't directly deplete anything.
Big But...
Once you start with things like coffee enemas or liver flushing, you are rewiring your entire system, and literally anything might happen as a result, both good and bad.
In the case of increased glutathione production and simultaneously dumping toxic bile/stones there are a lot of things that can go wrong in the aftermath. You will most certainly be moving heavy metals around inside the liver, hopefully outside the liver into the small intestine/colon, which in and of itself is a 20 year topic of study.
The twitching is most likely a heavy metal issue involving not only b12, but all of the alkaline minerals including sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium, manganese, etc etc, so pay careful attention to these as well.
You will also be moving metals around the entire body as redistribution takes place.
The liver likes and processes the B complex spectrum so I would also take all the other B's as well, in single file formation, and look at other foods high in B complex.
You will also want to examine closely how your metabolism is changing and adjust lifestyle, supplement, diet choices accordingly. And hopefully you will be able to keep the positive momentum to the point where your liver will be self-correcting and produce and expel bile properly.
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Hiya Edited by Moderator:)
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I am wondering if you like CEs?
I am very with you, I don't even take any other supps. I am a vegan, so b12 is a must. Yes, and I see supps pushed a lot on CZ, just doesn't jibe with me at all, I am forever trying to figure out what vegan foods to add to get these nutrients, and I can't even tolerate most supps.
I also deal with a relapse of CFS caused by metals, (very intuitive of you!) so I need my energy and b12/b's are the name of the game there.
I have been on an active b12 titration for the last 6 days, and am feeling so much better today, yippee!
Also, I have been craving salt the last few days, so have been munching on winter dulce, and even doing little mini flush lemon/hemp/salt shots cause they satisfy my salt craving.
Funny thing is, Freddd who created this active b12 titrating protocol says to watch out for potassium deficiency, but I am craving salt! Go figure, I do eat about 10-12 bananas a day, so it could be some kind of paradoxical thing, I suppose. And you are right one with saying it's involved in the mineral balance, any more hints here? Do the metals just wreak havoc on the minerals or what? Is it because they are electrically charged like metals?
And thank God about my cousins, I love them dearly! :) Thanks for letting me know that, I don't watch the news, so it's great to hear something good for a change.
They are dear sweet animals, have you ever swam with them? I highly recommend it! Ciao!
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,813How many people told you to reconsider veganism?
Milk or cheese is the best choice as you aren't destroying a life. When you get well then go back to being vegan.
You need to educate yourself about heavy metals if you are asking basic questions. Google about for a few days and read some different authors.
Detoxing metals while being vegan is nearly impossible, you may need the cysteine in animal products to help the metals move out safely. Milk is also high in b12, sodium and calcium.
This is why we see crazy fruit people - they are in way over their heads detoxing things in the wrong way, causing a lot of damage to their nervous sytems and crazy is the result.
Most cfs people will need higher sodium diets, but not all.
Maybe you can get b12 from brewer's yeast.
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Detoxed heavy metals and healed myself of CFS once with vegan diet, and doin it again:)
Yay me:)
Oh and btw, I don't know any crazy meat and dairy eaters, they're all very sane...(haha).
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This is a reply to # 2,238,873I wanted to come back to the thread and say I think you were right. Thanks for the suggestion that being Vegan at the moment is not helping with metals.
I did some reflecting and some soul searching and I have since added in some organic egss and feel they are easing some issues. I don't know if they'll give me the b12 that I need, but I will keep supping that.
All of the other CFS'ers seem to be big meat eaters and have to supp the b12/b's, which seems odd to me, but they say it helps a lot.
I've read up quite a bit on the b vitamins and have since started supping them again (hopefully correctly) also, so thanks again for your input, it is greatly greatly appreciate:)
All the best,
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This is a reply to # 2,238,744i think i read that any kind of enema will also deplete your minerals because your "mineral reserve" is stored in or absorbed from the large intestine(?)
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Yes, I agree with you!
I think that regular water enemas and colonics totally wash out sodium.
Sodium is said to keep the bowels moving well and is needed for healthy colon. I need organic sodium and get this from celery juice, but also need sea salt a few times a day, especially after water enema or colonic.
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