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Ultramarathoner Tim Olson made the transition to Paleo, and it paid off for him in a big way.
"more and more endurance athletes are choosing low-carb, high-fat. They’re choosing this diet both to get over digestive problems that hit in such a demanding event, and to win the race, and win it BIG! That’s what Tim Olson did this year. A self-proclaimed low-carb eater, Tim won the race — with a record-breaking pace"
Please stop misleading people on this forum with lies, and references to sources like durianrider who have zero credentials. There's no evidence that Dr Stephen Phinney, who is speaking for himself in the interview, not Tim Olson, has Type II Diabetes. Even durianrider Harley "f-bomb potty mouth" Johnstone doesn't claim that Dr Phinney has Type II Diabetes, yet you used his tacky youtube video as a reference. Where's your proof that Dr Stephen Phinney has Type II diabetes?
Frankly, Johnstone's videos should all be banned from curezone for their offensive language.
Here are Dr Phinney's credentials which I'll stack up against Johnstone's lack of credentials any day:
Dr. STEPHEN PHINNEY a physician scientist who has spent 35 years studying diet, exercise, fatty acids, and inflammation. He has held academic positions at the Universities of Vermont, Minnesota, and California at Davis; and leadership positions at Monsanto, Galileo Laboratories, and Efficas. He received his MD from Stanford University, PhD in Nutritional Biochemistry from MIT, and did post-doctoral research at Harvard.
He has designed, completed, and published data from more than 20 clinical protocols involving foods, diets, exercise, oxidative stress, and inflammation. His recent work in the private sector has resulted in several issued and pending patents. He has authored more than 70 peer-reviewed papers and book chapters on a wide variety of topics, including the effects of diets and specific nutrients on inflammation, the interaction between diet and exercise and their effects on obesity, body composition, physical performance, and cellular membrane structure.
Dr. Phinney’s clinical experience includes 20 years of inpatient and outpatient clinical nutrition, including directing multidisciplinary weight management programs in 3 locations. As an internationally recognized expert in obesity, carbohydrate-restricted diets, diet and performance, and essential fatty acid metabolism, he has given hundreds of presentations to industry, health care professional, and lay audiences.
Now which one am I going to believe? I think I'll go with the guy with degrees from Stanford, MIT and Harvard.
Now that I've disposed of that, let's talk about Colpo's write-up, which I already knew you'd bring up.
Colpo nicely start by saying that Tim Olson is "an amicable and humble enough guy. He’s clearly not an obnoxious, sleazy, trolling vegan whose insecurity and insatiable need for attention (not to mention greed for Youtube royalties) leads him to issue challenges to all and sundry that he has no intention of fulfilling"
I love this part because he's referring to your "highly qualified" reference, Harley "potty mouth" Johnstone, as obnoxious, sleazy and an insecure trolling vegan cashing in on YouTube royalties. Another good reason that links to his videos should be banned from curezone.
He further defends Tim Olson by saying "Tim seems to do things the way I think they should be done: He gets on with it and gets winning results, minus all the bullshit and braggadocio that has become the hallmark of much lesser individuals."
Beyond that, I don't really see anything in Colpo's writeup that tells me that Tim Olson is not Paleo. I also don't see anything that you extracted from Tim Olson's website in the form of a menu, that would indicate that he is not Paleo.
You deceptively put the "VFuel" thing in there as though it was part of his everyday diet, but that part is just on race day.
So, where in any of this evidence, is he not practicing a Paleo diet plan for more than 80% of his waking hours? Even if he were 40-30-30 which is your estimate and is likely incorrect, why is that not different than the Kenyan 80-10-10? The US minimum recommendation for carbs is 55%.
Tim doesn't like labels like "low-carb" or "Paleo", but here's what Tim says he really eats:
What I eat… Here is a sample of what I eat on a daily basis and days prior to a race. I hope to continue to put up some recipes on my blog for you to try out. I like to have a tablespoon or two of hazelnut or almond butter in the morning before heading out for a run. On training runs 3-5 hrs I might use 1 or 2 gels. I like to keep the calories low to promote fat burning and if I don’t need it I like to not have much sugar in my diet. After a long day out on the trails I might have a green smoothie with kale, banana and some type of berries. If I don’t do a green smoothie I’ll have some scrambled eggs with sautéed kale or spinach and any other vegetables I have laying around the house with coconut oil and maybe some avocado too. For snacking, I make Kale chips which I try to always keep on hand. Other options for snacking are carrots or other raw veggies, nuts and seeds. I really like walnuts, pistachios, sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds. I also indulge in Justin’s hazelnut butter or some sweet potatoes chips after a hard run or race. And YES, I do enjoy a nice glass or two of red wine in the evening. As for dinner I’ll have some type of meat (normally chicken or venison), some vegetables (zucchini, brussels sprouts, avocado, artichoke, broccoli, carrots, kale, spinach, cabbage, peppers, onions, mushrooms…etc) either sautéed or raw, washed down with some tasty water.
In my book, that's Paleo.
Oh. I see how this works now. I'm a liar when I state an opinion that you disagree with, but when you make a factual statement that's not actually a fact, it's not called lying, it's called misspeaking. You labeled dietary expert Dr Stephen Phillips as a Type II diabetic, which was false, and which a number of people read, and probably believed to be factual. At least you had the decency to go back and edit your post before too much damage was done.
So let's talk about your two experts, Anthony Colpo, who you used as a reliable resource for information on Tim Olson, and Harley Johnstone aka Durian Rider or DR, who you claim has all kinds of credentials that make him an expert on nutrition and health. I'll come back to your reliable resource, Anthony Colpo soon enough, but please list the races in which you claim that "elite runner and cyclist" DR has finished "in the top". Were these "elite" races? Were his times "elite"?
I did find an interview where he claims to have a personal best 5K of 16:19 and a personal best 10K of 37:22. He doesn't say whether these times were official, or unofficial. But I was unable to find those official times for him in any race. I did find two Marathon results run by Harley Johnstone in 2010 at the age of 30 both in Australia. His times were 3:33:23 and 3:48:49. Neither of those times would even get him into the Boston Marathon. For someone that cycles and runs as much as he claims, those times are downright pathetic. But perhaps it's another Harley Johnstone in Queensland Australia that was 30 in 2010 and ran two marathons.
At the tender age of 44 and as a 4 day a week "casual" runner, I ran my very first official marathon and finished in 3:16:19 (compare to Johnstone's 3:33:23), 21st out of 73 in my age group and 82nd out of 472 overall, fast enough to qualify for the Boston Marathon. My longest training distance was 20 miles prior to the official marathon. The only official 10K I ran that year was a 40:21 finish (compare to Johnstone's PB of 37:22), 13th out of 464 in my age group and 83rd overall out of 2,403 runners . My only official 5K ever was an 18:59 (compare to Johnstone's 16:19) finish, 1st in my age group and 7th overall, but it was a relatively small race with only 73 runners, making it easier to finish at the top. I started running at age 37 for reference. The point is that if you consider him to be "elite" at the age of 30-35, then that places me in the "elite" category for age 40-45. Can I be a nutrition expert too?
That's it on DR’s running prowess. That's all I could find through unofficial (from his mouth) and official (online) channels for Harley Johnstone and Road Race Results. Again for reference, my official results can all be found online.
Regarding his video rants, I could care less if he drops f-bombs twice a minute, 28 times in a 14 minute rant, plus two "jerk-off" gestures into the camera. It doesn't hurt my "little ears" as you call them. The point is that he feels to need to use vulgar language and obscenities, because he doesn't know how to speak as an intelligent human being, which leads one to believe, that he is not an intelligent human being.
With regard to your comment about me being a hypocrite for not defending you against some cyber bully that you couldn’t handle by yourself, too bad. You have no idea whether I reported that person the webmaster or not, but I had no reason to confront that person directly. Ultimately, he/she was banned. What I’m saying is that these forums are no place for vulgarity and obscenities and videos are no exception. That’s it.
We all know that he trains virtually full time AND that he uses Vitamin B12 Supplements in the form of injections…blasphemy! He claims that he has some sort of metabolic disorder that requires him to use B12 injections, but his diet contains zero B12, and the human body doesn’t produce vitamin B12 on its own. Is that his metabolic disorder, or is that a human metabolic disorder? Humans obtain almost all of their vitamin B12 from dietary means.
Back to your other reliable resource, Anthony Colpo, who you suggest is a credible critic of Tim Olson. Well I wonder what he says about Harley Johnstone?
Here’s what your own reliable resource, Anthony Colpo, says about your so called highly credentialed expert and elite athlete, Harley Johnstone:
“66 kilos of unabashed ignorance and arrogance. According to this guy, if you eat meat you’ll end up an obese, caffeine-addicted, walking tumour. Don’t dare question him, because he knows everything. Says who? He does.”
He goes on to say
“Rider (Harley Johnstone) is a vegan; I’m an omnivore who thinks veganism is a load of unscientific bollocks. I’ve presented an extensive amount of published scientific evidence to support my case; from a cursory glance around Rider’s site, all he is able to present in support of veganism is his bike riding mileage, recommendations to read popular format garbage like The China Study and The Skinny Bitch Diet, and a generous serving of caustic ridicule of anyone who dares (correctly) point out that vegan diets have a number of nutritional shortcomings.”
You have met the enemy, and it is yourself.
I know exactly what I wrote. If you can’t comprehend it, that’s your problem.
You confirmed that I knew what I wrote by simply re-stating it. Yes, I did call you a liar, because you lied by labeling Dr Stephen Phinney as a Type II Diabetic. There’s no disputing that. If I hadn’t called you out on it, that lie would have lived on. Did you not listen to your own video?
I never lied about DurianRider. He has no credentials to be a nutritionist, period. He absolutely does supplement with B12 injections because his diet does not provide sufficient B12. That’s a fact, not a lie.
Bill Clinton did lose 20 pounds on the South Beach Diet, so you can search through my posts all you want to find sound bites. It’s actually a compliment that you’ve taken the time to search my posts for something or anything to use to provoke me. It’s a sign that I’m way ahead on this debate and your desperate. Just as I’ve seen in the past from you, you attack the messenger, and then the messenger has no choice but to strike back. So once again I find myself in the position of having to end my exchange with you, because you don’t know how to debate. You only attack. You present no evidence to support your position, and only focus on trying to discredit others. You have nothing. Although you may have shared them at some point, I’ve seen none of your physical stats. No height, weight, %body fat, athletic prowess, etc. your lack of personal experience speaks volumes.
So tell me, how many forums have you been banned from for attacking people? Why are all of your messages labeled “Already Alerted! Already Alerted!” Who’s the insecure one here that’s always in attack mode?
You seem to have a complete lack of understanding about my point about Colpo. You cited him as a reliable resource. He says that DurianRider is “66 kilograms of obnoxious, unabashed ignorance”. Therefore, since you think that Colpo is reliable, then you must agree that DurianRider is “66 kilograms of obnoxious unabashed ignorance”. Do you get the logic now? I did not say that he was a reliable resource, you did. My opinion of DurianRider is completely independent of Colpo’s opinion, but just so happens to match. That does not mean that I think that Colpo is reliable, so therefore, anything that he may have said about Tim Olson, is not reliable to me, but only to you.
Don’t try to turn this around on me as though I’m the attacker. You are the brainwashed 80-10-10 cult follower and DurianRider worshipper that attacks anyone who says otherwise. Anyone who posts anything about a diet that’s not 80-10-10 gets attacked by you.
Banned? Alerted? That’s not me, that’s you. Own up to it and stop trying to turn your own attacks into “woah is me, everyone’s attacking me”.
Stop your attacks and show us all here on the Paleo Diet Forum, where the evidence is to support that 80-10-10 is the ultimate nutritional solution.
Yeah, I found out that you get an "Already Alerted! when you have recommended messages too. I've had a few of those.
DurianRider Harley Johnstone and Freelee have zero credentials. They make their money by gaining cult followers who send people to their YouTube videos. the more views they get, the more money they make. That's why he likes to create controversy...to get more views.
I love Harley "potty mouth" Johnstone's own 30 Bananas a Day blog posting rules: "30BaD hater or lover, think twice before giving your own two cents on the blog: Freelee and Harley have a strict set of guidelines, one of which includes “no swearing.” Any user that breaks these rules, or expresses disdain for the plan itself, is subject to suspension from the website"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/02/why-the-30-bananas-a-day-diet-is-monkey-business.html
You're just a 80-10-10 cult following troll and I'm no longer going to fall into your troll trap.
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