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I found this interesting article showing that not only a selenium deficiency, but an iron deficiency and/or toxic chemicals have to be there in order for Hashi's to appear along side iodine supplementation.
Autoimmune thyroiditis, a.k.a, Hashimoto’s thyroidits, is characterized by infiltration of the thyroid gland by inflammatory cells and production of autoantibodies to thyroid-specific antigens, thyroglobulin and thyroperoxidase. Autoimmune thyroiditis accompanies and is considered a main cause of hypothyroidisim since it results in destruction and eventual fibrous replacement of thyroid follicle cells.57
Although excess iodine intake has been singled out as the cause of autoimmune thyroiditis, current research clearly shows that this condition is multifactorial in etiology. Deficiencies of other key nutrients, genetic susceptibility, and exposure to environmental pollutants are all contributing factors. Iodine repletion without at least one of these other factors, is insufficient to cause autoimmune thyroiditis.
It is well recognized that increased iodine intake results in increased iodination of thyroglobulin, which, since this process also results in increased production of H202, increases thyroglobulin’s antigenic potential. In addition, since H2O2 is one of the compounds known to stimulate the intracellular adhesion molecule-1 (ICAM-1) promoter to increase transcription of the ICAM-1 gene, increased iodine intake (which can result in increased levels of unquenched H2O2) can also upregulate expression of ICAM-1. Iodine therefore has significant potential for harm; however, for this potential to be actualized, at least one or more of a number of other contributing factors must be present. These include selenium deficiency, iron deficiency, and/or exposure to environmental pollutants.58
58. Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The impact of iron and selenium deficiencies on iodine and thyroid metabolism: biochemistry and relevance to public health. Thyroid. 2002 Oct;12(10):867-78.
http://biolargo.com/industry-news/iodine-the-next-vitamin-d-part-ii/
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- just my 2 cents.. amaru7
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This is a reply to # 2,057,755Yes, as we all know, selenium is protective for hashis, but also Iron (as long as its deficient), Vitamin D, Vitamin A, Zinc and Omega 3s are important for AI inflamattion.
I also suffer Hashis and stopped Iodine supplementation immediately after researching its potential danger in causing H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) excess thus damaging the actual thyroid permanently! Scary stuff barely gets mentioned here on CZ.
Iodine is clearly beneficial in many aspects but also it has its potential dangers so ppl should stop just blindly recommending it without any "disclaimer" or warning that it should only be done with practitioners care.
Guy Abraham had an article also claiming that Iodine deficiency is the cause of AI disease and not Iodine intake, but I think he is irresponsible in making such statements. Even though I respect him more as a scientist than Dr. Brownstein with his often vague claims on Iodine.
I really understand why some call us nutters. I think we should deccelerate our euphoria and stick to the facts even though Iodine can be so beneficial for serious disease- Re: just my 2 cents.. amaru7
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This is a reply to # 2,057,808btw, personally still idk how I will get back someday to Iodine supplementation. First I'll try to lower my TSH and replete my selenium stores including other supplements I've mentioned before..
I wonder what the Iodine project with over 4000 patients resulted in people with AI disease, have they even been tested for antibodies?- Re: just my 2 cents.. paraboy
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Facts about Iodine and Autoimmune Thyroiditis
by Guy E. Abraham, MD
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-22/IOD_22.htm
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This is a reply to # 2,057,811"I also suffer Hashis and stopped Iodine supplementation immediately after researching its potential danger in causing H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) excess thus damaging the actual thyroid permanently! Scary stuff barely gets mentioned here on CZ.
Iodine is clearly beneficial in many aspects but also it has its potential dangers so ppl should stop just blindly recommending it without any "disclaimer" or warning that it should only be done with practitioners care."
this coming from the poster who, a few weeks back, wanted to be spoon fed advice on their own personal situation, which none of us have knowledge of.
big shocker on this post.
- Re: just my 2 cents.. paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,057,808As the research shows, it is not the iodine that makes hashi's worse, but the deficiencies that are underlying to the iodine deficiency.
The Hashi's is always there but could be doing other underlying damage to the body that we are not aware of until we find it by supplementing with iodine.
It is not iodine that causes the hashi's and you cannot live without iodine, so this is why the companions are ALWAYS recommended here, just in case.
I suspect it is the semi-dwarf wheat that has been genetically changed that may be the trigger to autoimmune diseases.
Iodine has been proven effective in Hashi's when taken with the companions.
There are many on the iodine yahoo group that are doing very well with iodine supplementation.
Everyone here has always pushed that iodine supplementation MUST have the companions, so your blind statement of this forum not warning you, is false.
I would never want to be forced on medications for the rest of my life because I was ignorant of the alternatives to saving my organs using natural supplements than having the deathcare cut out every organ that doesn't function right.
Iodine IS an Essential nutrient and we would die without it.
- Re: just my 2 cents.. amaru7
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- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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I don't think that website is finished, yet.
I think the site was referring to toxins, such as perchlorate, fluoride, bromide and any other man-made toxin.
The semi-dwarf wheat which is genetically changed seems like the first triggers just because of the higher incidences of AIT since iodized salt.
Have to check the research sources.
- just my 2 cents.. amaru7
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- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine lazza
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This is a reply to # 2,057,655Having tried to get my head around why I developed an autoimmune disease (psoriasis) at at fifty-one I've come to the conclusion that, in general, autoimmune diseases are initiated by environmental factors and a person have a certain genetic make-up. Environmental factors can include pathogens, exposure to toxins (incl. heavy metals), lifestyle excesses (drink, smoke, poor diet), stress ... or *any combination* of the above. One's genetic make-up will determine which autoimmune disease will be sparked, if any. So in my humble opinion, it is probably impossible to determine why any individual develops an autoimmune disease ... including Hashimoto's. Could Iodine deficiency cause Hashimoto's? Possibly, but it would best viewed as only one of many possible contributing factors.
Also the genetic factor should not be overlooked. Depending on the autoimmune disease oftentimes there is greater than a 50% chance a child will get the disease if a parent has it. In the case of Hashimoto's would Iodine supplementation prevent a child from developing the disease? Hard to say.
If one has Hashimoto's it would be best to focus on doing all the right things to calm one's immune system, diet is especially important, and taking supplements that the thyroid needs. Getting thyroid antibodies tested regularly (every 3 months?) is a must to gauge one's progress.
Again, all this is my humble opinion.
_Lazza- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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This is a reply to # 2,057,864
The human genome project proved that we don't inherit diseases from our parents.
We do eat at the same table.
A gene cannot take it's covering off and turn itself on all by itself.
It requires, a complex series of environmental perceptions to trigger the series of events necessary to remove the protein and turn the gene on.
Biology of Belief - Dr Bruce Lipton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj0xVM4x1I
I'm glad I am not a product of my parents diseases.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine lazza
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This is a reply to # 2,057,895No, we certainly don't inherit diseases from our parents. But the susceptibility of developing an autoimmune disease is passed down from parent to child. Now whether a person actually develops the disease largely depends on environmental factors. For example, if my memory serves me correctly I believe that among identical twins there is a 40% chance of the both twins having Psoriasis if one twin develops it. If the development of Psoriasis was purely based on genetics there would be a 100% chance, not a 40% chance. With fraternal twins the chances are much less, maybe a 5% chance. And among the general population on 2% has the disease. At any rate, I would expect Hashimoto's follows a similar pattern.
_Lazza- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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The medical community never seems to mention that children get a ton of vaccinations the moment they enter this world, so where is the link to diseases? The vaccines.
Dr Blaylock asked a pharma rep why they don't remove the stealth viruses in them and they said it is impossible.
Using an adjuvent to block immune response so DNA and RNA fragments from bioweaponized pathogens can go hide out in our cells and organs is why we get diseases.
Then, they put dental work in our mouths that further help diseases manifest.
Who would put the 2nd most toxic substance (on the planet next to plutonium) a couple inches from brain and call it health?
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine lazza
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This is a reply to # 2,058,112IMHO, the immune system is vastly more complex than what is understood today. Although we do know that autoimmune diseases sometimes develop after certain infections (eg, strep) I believe that is a very incomplete picture. Our immune systems are shaped by all the cumulative infections, and related antibodies that are created, in our lives. The number of infections and antibodies are pretty much unique to each individual, and one would be surprised how many there are. For example, most of us have been infection with at least one strain of the herpes virus but are asymptomatic ... there are several strains of the herpes virus.
This points back to your vaccination comment. Since vaccines unnaturally "jostles" the immune system with foreign matter it can, in my opinion, tip one over to developing an autoimmune disease. Psoriasis sufferers can suffer flares upon receiving a vaccination.
So I agree vaccines are a contributing factor. Of course it is a risk-benefit decision on whether to get a vaccination. As an adult, and a Psoriasis sufferer, I personally choose not to get them.
_Lazza
PS - and certainly, when you add in heavy metal exposure from an early age it is easy to believe autoimmune diseases, such as Hashimoto's are far more prevalent nowadays.- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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The real problem is that if our immune system is strong at the beginning when getting vaccinated, the stealth viruses hide out in our cells for many decades. The diseases that manifest can take many decades to appear.
People don't think about the vaccines when they get sick in their 40s.
Viruses don't eat food to survive.
However, children today are so immune compromised that the vaccines are causing diseases right away, such as autism.
If we never get vaccinated, our body's become resistant to the diseases as long as we keep our immune system up.
For ex, my brother has never gotten a cold sore and was married to a women who has genital herpes.
He has never had any symptoms of genital herpes and it is most likely due to the lack of a herpes virus in his formulation of vaccines. The rest of our family gets cold sores. He ended up with a different gift from big pharma, type 1 diabetes in his 30s.
I would like to see studies done showing disease occurance among the unvaccinated.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine lazza
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This is a reply to # 2,058,147"I would like to see studies done showing disease occurance among the unvaccinated".
Problem is: it's hard to really pin down a causative effect. Let's say you find 10,000 folks that are unvaccinated, and an equal number who have been vaccinated. You might very well find differences in the health profile among the two groups. However the problem with such studies is that the results you see are correlation and not necessarily causation. This is true with any large study. It takes more work to dig down and prove causation.
For example, in Japan the Breast Cancer rate is lower compared to that in America. However I believe the incidence of Hashimoto's is higher. Iodine proponents claim the former is credited to high Iodine consumption, Iodine foes claim iodine is to blame for the latter. But both cases, if only judged by these statistics, are speculative. Others can argue the lower Breast Cancer rate is due to genetics or other diet/lifestyle factors. The higher incidence of Hashimoto's might be due to a lack of dietary selenium or iron. As Mark Twain said: There are lies, damned lies and statistics. (..or something like that!)
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- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine justgetmeregistered
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This is a reply to # 2,057,864Hi all,
after ghosting here for several years, i think it is time to get involved ;-)
I think the environmental factor for AI disease are heavy metals, especially mercury. The fact that even here no one states this so plain and clearly is just the proof how propaganda changes perception. It is hard to avoid this.
Speaking for myself, despite knowing of the toxicity of mercury since i can think, i needed about five to then years to see the truth ad realize that all those minor ailments and shortcomings are real and not random, genetic or in my head.
Mercury changes Sugar proteins on the surface of our cells, the id card to be recognized as "self" by the immune system.
Apart from that, mercury attack the human body and the immune system at any level. There is not the question if the body looses the fight, only when and which symptom at first. Regarding thyroid, i would remind that mercury will bind any selenium it approaches.
Here in Germany i read a statistic from the 90`s, that 95% of all adults have had silver fillings. The rest of 5% certainly have had a mother with silver filling, which means that the baby receives about 40 % of the mothers body load of mercury. Today for me it is so obvious, when i see a child that has the typical mercury symptoms, but our society think it is normal for a 5 year old to have eye glasses, weak immunity, ADHD, bad character, emotional unstable etc.
I can only say, read the books like those from Cutler and anything from the net, like toxcenter e.V. repeatedly. It takes time to reprogram the brain to finally see the truth.
Regarding the H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) formation from Iodine i would say that it is just a total theoretical possibility with zero bearing in real life. The human body does not have real problems with H2O2, because it is designed to handle it. As long as all systems are working like intended.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine Cautious Guinea Pig
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This is a reply to # 2,057,655Wow! that was a great link. It took me a long time to read it all, but it really seems to encapsulate much of what medical Science is coming to admit about Iodine and how it contributes to our health. Thank you for posting it.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine paraboy
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I think it is new because the sources are not linked, yet and I wasn't able to find part 1.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine pt.1 amaru7
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This is a reply to # 2,058,110There ye go: http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/iodine-the-next-vitamin-d-part-I/
I still didn't find the time to read it through but it really looks like decent info to me, props!- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine pt.1 paraboy
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Thank you.
I had tried changing the url to one i, but it looks like a capital letter.
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine pt.1 amaru7
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you're welcome
the link I've posted is on another website, but it seems to be legit
- Re: Hashimoto's and iodine pt.1 amaru7
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