My latest PM to the Webmaster 
Hveragerthi
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Why do you even bother to have a Terms of Service when you refuse to even enforce the them? I have watched the posts on the Webmaster Forum and elsewhere where the trolls have been allowed to repeatedly attack me and anyone trying to defend me without any enforcement against these trolls for these TOS violations.
Here is a great example of one of the trolls using my name to refer to me as a homosexual herbalist, which is untrue and a violation of the Terms of Service on so many levels:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1888549#i
No wonder people have been leaving Curezone en masse. Why would anyone want to come to Curezone when they watch what happens to people like me who are here volunteering time to help people and anyone else who tries to stand up to the rampant politics of Curezone. I have about had it myself since I did not come to Curezone to have the trolls consistently make up lies about me then attack not only me when I try to defend myself but also attack anyone else who tries to stand up for me while you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop the rampant TOS violations.
In addition, I noticed that all the personal messages I had saved in my storage with evidence of attacks by Tony and others as well as my previous PMs to you have all been deleted. Luckily I made copies of these and saved them in my own folders on my computer. But it really goes to show how extensive the politics and censorship has become here on Curezone. Curezone is a JOKE!!! For a place that is supposed to be about "educating instead of medicating" too few of the posts have anything to do with health education or healing.
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- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster #116107
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This is a reply to # 1,888,567I saw this early this morning, James. I was puzzled as to what kind of person would go to these lengths to smear your name? However, the good news is that this person is showing themselves to be very juvenile, childish, and foolish. not one thing that this monicker would write, would I believe... not one. When someone has to stoop to such low levels to make themselves feel good, that is a person with a mental disability, plain and simple. I think that your time here is limited. I think that since you have another site to ask questions from, that perhaps that would be the place to give your outstanding information. I do love the curezone format, but I do not like the way people here behave. I hope you will always keep your other site open and answer questions there when people have them James.... there are many here who have been assisted more from your information than they have from a library full of books. I, for one, value you. Not only are you generous with your knowledge, patient with the questions, and kind to write the answers so that all who read them can understand, but you are also a genuine person. so, thank you for all you have done for many here, and may I state that I agree with you wholeheartedly on not doing someting about this.
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- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster prettyangel
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,888,586That post was deleted James. May God have mercy on these people.They just won't stop. They would go back and forth bashing you from the Liver Flush Debate forum to the Webmaster Support. There's really something wrong with these people. I guess they can see that lately your forum has been so busy and everything is going well so they want to lure you back into debating with them. Let's see what's the webmaster's going to do about this.
- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,888,618
That post was deleted James. May God have mercy on these people.They just won't stop. They would go back and forth bashing you from the Liver Flush Debate forum to the Webmaster Support. There's really something wrong with these people. I guess they can see that lately your forum has been so busy and everything is going well so they want to lure you back into debating with them. Let's see what's the webmaster's going to do about this.
I have noticed that the majority of these juvenile attacks are coming from the "liver flush" supporters since I have discredited this procedure so bad. One of the "liver flush" supporters was even at it again the other day re-posting one of my responses in the Jokes for Adults forum. It was removed pretty quick, but these juvenile tactics should not be allowed in the first place, which was my point about why even have a Terms of Service (TOS) when it is not even going to be enforced. Instead of banning the repeat violators I get banned instead and all the personal attacks directed against me are left up.
In fact, the Webmaster banned me from all the debate forums even though I was the only one debating. Nobody from the debate forums who were posting personal attacks and violating TOS in other ways were banned. So why have debate forums either when debate is not allowed? If the only thing people are allowed to post are statements the moderators agree with, even when the evidence proves otherwise, then there are support forums for these posts monitored by power hungry moderators. There really is no reason for two sets of forums full of false information.
- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster Hveragerthi
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- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,888,586
I saw this early this morning, James. I was puzzled as to what kind of person would go to these lengths to smear your name? However, the good news is that this person is showing themselves to be very juvenile, childish, and foolish. not one thing that this monicker would write, would I believe... not one. When someone has to stoop to such low levels to make themselves feel good, that is a person with a mental disability, plain and simple. I think that your time here is limited. I think that since you have another site to ask questions from, that perhaps that would be the place to give your outstanding information. I do love the curezone format, but I do not like the way people here behave. I hope you will always keep your other site open and answer questions there when people have them James.... there are many here who have been assisted more from your information than they have from a library full of books. I, for one, value you. Not only are you generous with your knowledge, patient with the questions, and kind to write the answers so that all who read them can understand, but you are also a genuine person. so, thank you for all you have done for many here, and may I state that I agree with you wholeheartedly on not doing someting about this.
At least that post was removed. But there are still numerous other TOS violating posts attacking not only myself but also anyone trying to defend me. It is no wonder posting on Curezone has decreased so much and their search ranking has dropped like a rock. There is a line in the movie Road House about people not wanting to come to a slaughter house. That line is so true. People are watching what is happening here on Curezone and either leaving or they are simply afraid to post because they want the Troll Pack coming down on them if they ask the wrong question or question some of the quack claims made on Curezone.
What is interesting though is that these people don't seem to realize that Curezone is not the only site for health forums on the Internet. And people often do read other sources of information. So they are actually going to hurt their own views in the long run as people read the real facts from other sites where they cannot censor or run people off that are exposing the real facts. As people see the evidence from other sites this still discredits the false claims as well as the sites that allow this false information to be presented over and over without question.
This does make me wonder if I want to be associated with Curezone. Some people may view that since Curezone is not a credible site then people posting there may not be credible.
- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster prettyangel
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Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster LongNhi
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This is a reply to # 1,888,567Why do you even bother to have a Terms of Service when you refuse to even enforce the them? I have watched the posts on the Webmaster Forum and elsewhere where the trolls have been allowed to repeatedly attack me and anyone trying to defend me without any enforcement against these trolls for these TOS violations.
When we demand justice we will be seeing injustice. When we try to understand injustice, injustice will disappear on its own.
Here is a great example of one of the trolls using my name to refer to me as a homosexual herbalist, which is untrue and a violation of the Terms of Service on so many levels:There is nothing wrong with homosexualism. It is how a person makes of it that gives it a connotation of good or bad. Others are mirrors of us. Read into of what others say to understand them and watch our reaction to it to understand ourselves. Unkind words are sometimes are the most challenging teaching that we can use to advance ourselves rapidly in our personal and spiritual growth.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1888549#i
No wonder people have been leaving Curezone en masse. Why would anyone want to come to Curezone when they watch what happens to people like me who are here volunteering time to help people and anyone else who tries to stand up to the rampant politics of Curezone. I have about had it myself since I did not come to Curezone to have the trolls consistently make up lies about me then attack not only me when I try to defend myself but also attack anyone else who tries to stand up for me while you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop the rampant TOS violations.The trolls are doing the work of the trolls, the webmaster is doing the work of the webmaster, right or wrong, and HV is doing what HV is coming to do. I have so much of appreciation for you, HV, that no matter what others have to say about you, it does not really matter. The only thing that matters to me and may be to all the people that come to this forum to get educated and help from you, is that it matters so much to you. Your time and energy are limited and it is crucial that you use it efficiently and wisely. When you visit the forum, we would like to see your heart pumped with joy because you have brought so much joy to us, with love and grace because we surrounded you with gratitude...
In addition, I noticed that all the personal messages I had saved in my storage with evidence of attacks by Tony and others as well as my previous PMs to you have all been deleted. Luckily I made copies of these and saved them in my own folders on my computer. But it really goes to show how extensive the politics and censorship has become here on Curezone. Curezone is a JOKE!!! For a place that is supposed to be about "educating instead of medicating" too few of the posts have anything to do with health education or healing.I hope that someday you could manage not to let yourself get caught in all the nonsenses. Things are because of what we make of it. Be visible when you are needed and become invisible when you presence is not necessary. Tune out all the crappy noises and tune in the need and the appreciation from others. Day by day your presence and your work will impact and change those that are not ready to change now. People change only when they are ready...Dear HV,I do not know how to express my appreciation for all the work that you did for us. I stumble on words when trying to express it because you are beyond my words.You are what I admire and dream to meet and learn from. Meeting (your spirit) and knowing you is such a priviledge! I hope that what I have to say does not cause you any more grief. If you take a minute to pause, you will see that it only meant to help to get you to focus on your journey, a journey of healing... Though, it is hard to heal others when we are hurt ...
Please, do not disappear on us!
Though, if you do, your spirit remains as always in our forever grateful heart...LongNhi- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster Hveragerthi
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,888,620
Why do you even bother to have a Terms of Service when you refuse to even enforce the them? I have watched the posts on the Webmaster Forum and elsewhere where the trolls have been allowed to repeatedly attack me and anyone trying to defend me without any enforcement against these trolls for these TOS violations.
When we demand justice we will be seeing injustice. When we try to understand injustice, injustice will disappear on its own.
Here is a great example of one of the trolls using my name to refer to me as a homosexual herbalist, which is untrue and a violation of the Terms of Service on so many levels:There is nothing wrong with homosexualism.
I totally agree. The way I see it God made people who they are as we are all God's creation and God is a part of us all. So those who profess to hate homosexuals therefore hate God and God's creations.
It is the context though that has me upset. Again this poster is acting like a 2 year old and violating TOS on several levels with the posts intended to defame me. And this is the second post this poster has done under this name over something like 7 months. Again, why has this poster been allowed to violate TOS like this? Why has this poster not been permanently banned for habitually violating TOS? Again there is no rhyme or reason to how TOS is enforced on Curezone other than to allow personal attacks on me or anyone who supports me. And anyone providing evidence contrary to claims made on Curezone are banned.
It is how a person makes of it that gives it a connotation of good or bad. Others are mirrors of us. Read into of what others say to understand them and watch our reaction to it to understand ourselves. Unkind words are sometimes are the most challenging teaching that we can use to advance ourselves rapidly in our personal and spiritual growth.
Yes, but things like this go beyond ourselves. It is this small minded thinking like this poster posted that promotes ignorance and hatred of others. For instance this reminds me of a time I was out to dinner with a group of people. There was a lady in the group who was a pastor and started a conversation bashing gay rights. So I brought up some things in the Bible such as judge not.... and love thy neighbor. Well that really set off her and her boyfriend and we really got in to it at dinner. Finally she asked me why I was so adamant about gay rights, and said "do you want to be gay"? What a stupid question that was!!! Being that she was a women I really got close to asking her if she thought that all the men who fought for women's rights really wanted to be women. And being that she was black if all the white people who fought against slavery and fought for black rights really wanted to be black. Where would she have been if nobody had ever stood of for the rights she now enjoys today? But she let her ignorance and prejudice cloud her reasoning and therefore she was promoting hatred and the suppression of rights by people that are equal to her as humans and Americans.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1888549#i
No wonder people have been leaving Curezone en masse. Why would anyone want to come to Curezone when they watch what happens to people like me who are here volunteering time to help people and anyone else who tries to stand up to the rampant politics of Curezone. I have about had it myself since I did not come to Curezone to have the trolls consistently make up lies about me then attack not only me when I try to defend myself but also attack anyone else who tries to stand up for me while you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop the rampant TOS violations.The trolls are doing the work of the trolls, the webmaster is doing the work of the webmaster, right or wrong, and HV is doing what HV is coming to do. I have so much of appreciation for you, HV, that no matter what others have to say about you, it does not really matter. The only thing that matters to me and may be to all the people that come to this forum to get educated and help from you, is that it matters so much to you. Your time and energy are limited and it is crucial that you use it efficiently and wisely. When you visit the forum, we would like to see your heart pumped with joy because you have brought so much joy to us, with love and grace because we surrounded you with gratitude...
Thank you.
In addition, I noticed that all the personal messages I had saved in my storage with evidence of attacks by Tony and others as well as my previous PMs to you have all been deleted. Luckily I made copies of these and saved them in my own folders on my computer. But it really goes to show how extensive the politics and censorship has become here on Curezone. Curezone is a JOKE!!! For a place that is supposed to be about "educating instead of medicating" too few of the posts have anything to do with health education or healing.I hope that someday you could manage not to let yourself get caught in all the nonsenses. Things are because of what we make of it. Be visible when you are needed and become invisible when you presence is not necessary. Tune out all the crappy noises and tune in the need and the appreciation from others. Day by day your presence and your work will impact and change those that are not ready to change now. People change only when they are ready...
I am working on many changes right now. This includes ignoring a lot of the trolls, especially since there are so many on Curezone to deal with. Problem is that not everyone running across Curezone is aware of the trolls here and the heavy handed politics. As in a court of law a failure to deny is construed as an admission. Therefore, newbies to Curezone who have not followed the troll politics will assume that what they are saying is true if nothing is said to the contrary. This is why the trolls spend so much time attacking me. They are trying hard to discredit me because they cannot do it with any real evidence since they are making up their claims and "science". I know it is a time wasting game, but again if nothing to the contrary is said then people will assume it is true just like they accept quackery like "liver flushing" without question.
Dear HV,I do not know how to express my appreciation for all the work that you did for us. I stumble on words when trying to express it because you are beyond my words.You are what I admire and dream to meet and learn from. Meeting (your spirit) and knowing you is such a priviledge! I hope that what I have to say does not cause you any more grief. If you take a minute to pause, you will see that it only meant to help to get you to focus on your journey, a journey of healing... Though, it is hard to heal others when we are hurt ...
Please, do not disappear on us!
Though, if you do, your spirit remains as always in our forever grateful heart...LongNhi
Thanks again. But even if I do leave Curezone to the misinformation trolls this does not mean I will be gone. There are so many other places on the Internet that would love to have someone posting credible health information. I have already started posting quite a bit on WebAnswers.com and have a couple of articles up on Squidoo at the moment. And I am not getting attacked on either site like I am continuously here on Curezone. These sites actually enforce their Terms of Service.- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster LongNhi
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This is a reply to # 1,891,456I totally agree. The way I see it God made people who they are as we are all God's creation and God is a part of us all. So those who profess to hate homosexuals therefore hate God and God's creations.
I see homosexualism is just as the same as other sexual orientation. Each one us has our own desire and inclination. What makes ours better than others? If we look deeply into the heart of each one of us, the basic desire for love and to be loved is the same. In that light, there is no need to discriminate those that are not the same like us. The root of the discrimination stems from our own insecurity. If we stop reacting to it and start embracing it, then we will be able to bridge the gap and see that we are not different from each other.
As in a court of law a failure to deny is construed as an admission. Therefore, newbies to Curezone who have not followed the troll politics will assume that what they are saying is true if nothing is said to the contrary.
In the forum "Truth in Medicines", you are King!
This is your Supreme Court! And this is the only forum that I hang out.
People truly want truth will search for truth. Those are not ready for it, may take a little more time.
But even if I do leave Curezone to the misinformation trolls this does not mean I will be gone.
Whereever you go, please, let us know................... Gosh, I thought I swore to myself to never worship anybody!!!
There are so many other places on the Internet that would love to have someone posting credible health information. I have already started posting quite a bit on WebAnswers.com and have a couple of articles up on Squidoo at the moment. And I am not getting attacked on either site like I am continuously here on Curezone. These sites actually enforce their Terms of Service.
I am glad that you have found some grounds that give you relief. Thank you for letting us know. Though, I found so much information that you and others post in this forum that are so informative. I read and felt so grateful. My gratitude will never be expressed enough in here but it will be expressed in using what I learned from you and the posters to help others that are in need and ready for help.
I am curious about the message board at Mountain Mist Botanical's. I think that there are people that are looking for your help.
This is why the trolls spend so much time attacking me. They are trying hard to discredit me because they cannot do it with any real evidence since they are making up their claims and "science".
Have you ever thought that these people attacked you because they felt/perceived that you were attacking them? Below the right and wrong, there is a strong need of self preservation that pushes each one of us into doing what we do. That part makes all of us the same. Though, how do we, from seeing this, manage to stop feeding that feeling of insecurity within us? We identify ourselves to so many believes that when the believes are being challenged, we feel being challenged. Trying to loose that identity requires being aware of it first. Though, how many of us could see our own shadow? If we could, then it would vanish on its own.
- Re: My latest PM to the Webmaster prettyangel
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This is a reply to # 1,891,456After reading this, I'm so glad that you're a fellow Christian. It seems that these days, people who have vast knowledge in Science find it irrational and unscientific to be a Christian.
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