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- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,879,807
More misleading and debunked propaganda from the Weston Price Foundation.
I like this line from their site:
"The study found that those rabbits that had consumed the soybean hay suffered from partial reproductive failure.”
Again it really goes to show the lengths that the Weston Price Foundation will go to for their propaganda campaign. Note they are heavily utilizing animal studies that DO NOT apply to humans. And they are feeding soybeans to an animal that does not normally consume soybeans. That is like feeding corn to a snake and expecting the snake to be healthy. These studies often also use isolated compounds in extremely high levels for the sole purpose of creating adverse reactions. On the other hand if they relied on actual human studies at proper levels then they would find that humans studies have not only shown soy to be safe, but also beneficial to the body in various ways.
Of course relying on properly conducted human studies would not benefit the Weston Price Foundation, nor their biggest sponsors the beef So instead they look for any non-applicable studies that bash soy to present as "evidence" to help protect their sponsor's profits.
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- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,879,993The global jury is in on the danger of unfermented Soy and the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against its use.
Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!......................
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-...
AND.........
http://www.drmercola.info/soy/9-reasons-why-soy-ruins-your-health/
Other sources on the dangers of unfermented soy...........
http://www.foodrenegade.com/dangers-of-soy/
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm
and so on and so on and so on.
Chrisb1.
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- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... JAZZIE
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This is a reply to # 1,880,239Thank you for the information .. I had not found some of these links... Very informative.. I love Dr Mercola. Great information and the same with Shirley's wellness Cafe... fantastic sites.
thank you again,
I wish you well. - Re: SOY: Russian roulette JAZZIE
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,880,239OH and by the way..on that one link you had... I thought this state ment was so Fantastic .. that I could hardly beleive I was reading it...
Russian roulette!!!!
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html
Do You Still Think We’re Exaggerating the Dangers of Soy?
When there is a pretty good possibility that something is harmful, as is the case with soy, common sense dictates that it’s better to avoid it!
The corporations who make billions from selling soy would like us to believe that until the dangers of soy are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, we shouldn't worry about them.
"This reminds me of Russian roulette: if a gun had a hundred chambers, and only one was loaded, I wouldn’t risk putting it to my head and pulling the trigger. Would you?"
Or, as Roger Eichman, DDS, succinctly summed up the precautionary principle: "The precautionary principle requires action once the possibility of harm exists. It does not require proof beyond a shadow of a doubt."
There's more than enough sound scientific evidence to convince me. I used to think soy was a good dietary choice, but not anymore. I quit eating it a long timw ago.
Thanks again.- Re: SOY: Russian roulette Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,880,615
http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html
More misleading claims that have already been debunked. This is a big problem with the internet. Too many people simply repeating the same misinformation from propaganda websites without ever bothering to actually research the facts before repeating the myths.
Do You Still Think We’re Exaggerating the Dangers of Soy?No doubt about it.
- Re: SOY: Russian roulette chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,881,044H,
I suggest that you keep on eating your unfermented soy and see what happens to your health in the future. Please be good enough to let us know your findings.
Chrisb1- Re: SOY: Russian roulette JAZZIE
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This is a reply to # 1,881,076I ditto this.. I too would love to see what happens to H. in the years to come..
I just have to say after reading H. posts for the years that I have come on here.. It seems unless it comes from H. it has got to be bogus Propaganda and not worth reading. No matter how Prestigious.
I have to point out tho' that H. however never seems to think that what he puts out could possible be bogus or Propaganda ...
We are well from Candida.. if he has this condition.. why isn't he well ?? It took us two years. ... with using all natural foods and herbs and essential oils.. and Olive Leaf ext... staying away from soy and Gmo foods.. so I figure all of his information should make him so healthy... In fact I would think he would be the healthiest person on the planet !
Love to see what his health is when he is 65 and 68 years old. We have no gray hair.. Bet he gets gray hair before he reaches 45 years old for He sounds really young to me.
It is really funny to me how he copies off what I say just letting more people hear what I have to say... Wonderful carrier of my words. and I only come on here to help others.. so that is very thoughtful of H. Makes even more people hear what I have to say. Thank you H. Your wonderful!
I usally do not even read what he has to say.. not worth my time.. We all know the ones that love to be negative, snipe and cause spite and discontent.. so I stay away from these types of people.. but love reading the other comments. Some really nice people on here as a whole.
Sorry after all his sniping over the time just couldn't help my self. lol!
So I will talk at you all next year.. I don't come on here all the time.. do research to help my husband and my friends and family.. but don't like to spend a lot of time on here as my eyes won't take the strain.. Just come on when I have assessed some infor that I think may help someone on here that has not gotten well yet..
you all can get well..
just stay natural and watch what you put into your bodies.. we are not chemical factories.. our bodies were made to use only natural foods not foods tampered with.
You all take care..
and I wish you all well
(yes even H. I consider H. one of the young and ignornt ones )
LOL!!
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This is a reply to # 1,881,266You have some interesting observations and so does H.
Just wondering how bad and how long you and your husband had candida. I ask this because I have it for what seems eons and I find it very interesting that you beat it with only olive leaf as antifungal. What were the oils that you used? Appreciate your testimonials.
By the way, I have a bottle of olive leaf that I only use once in a while if I didn't take coc oil with food. - Re: SOY: Russian roulette Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,881,266I just have to say after reading H. posts for the years that I have come on here.. It seems unless it comes from H. it has got to be bogus Propaganda and not worth reading. No matter how Prestigious.
I have to point out tho' that H. however never seems to think that what he puts out could possible be bogus or Propaganda ...The difference is that I rely on reading actual studies. You simply keep reposting the myths that have already been debunked over and over.
Love to see what his health is when he is 65 and 68 years old. We have no gray hair.. Bet he gets gray hair before he reaches 45 years old for He sounds really young to me.
I see, you cannot beat me with real evidence so instead you decide to rely on personal attacks. Have you ever heard of genetics? Gray hair does not mean one is unhealthy. I know people who are much younger than me that are perfectly healthy but also have gray hair. So what health issues do you have?
It is really funny to me how he copies off what I say just letting more people hear what I have to say...
Yep, followed with the evidence debunking the claims since the claims are not from credible sites.
I usally do not even read what he has to say.. not worth my time.. We all know the ones that love to be negative, snipe and cause spite and discontent.. so I stay away from these types of people.. but love reading the other comments. Some really nice people on here as a whole.
Ironic that you would say this right after insulting me that I have gray hair. What hypocrisy!!!
You all take care..
and I wish you all well
(yes even H. I consider H. one of the young and ignornt ones )More sniping since you cannot address my statements with real evidence. Typical of many Curezone posters.
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- Re: SOY: Russian roulette Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,881,076
I suggest that you keep on eating your unfermented soy and see what happens to your health in the future. Please be good enough to let us know your findings.
Well Chris, so far 47 years of eating soy and absolutely no health issues. How many health issues do you have?
By the way, you may want to read those references you posted supposedly to bash soy since if you actually read them you will see how many are touting the benefits of soy:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1881439#i
Again, people should actually read the evidence they are posting if they want to back their opinions.
Of course this is a common tactic of the anti-soy propaganda sites as well. They use any site making a comment about soy and use it as a reference so they overwhelm the reader. They know that the average person will not bother to take the time to actually read the references to see what they are saying and will assume that they are saying something bad about soy. Just like you did. Fortunately, there are people, like me, who care about the truth and will actually read references. And luckily for everyone many of the references you posted were touting the benefits of soy, including its anti-cancer properties. So now everyone is seeing the facts, not the propaganda.
- Re: SOY: Russian roulette chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,881,443Okay.
So perhaps you can explain in detail why so many health professionals are against the use of unfermented Soy?
Does Mercola and others have an agenda here and if so what is it?
Maybe there is a prejudicial Conspiracy against the bean itself? so I feel sorry for that poor little old bean.
I mean what harm has it done to anyone except for being a member of the bean family?
Life isn't fair sometimes and this just goes to prove that point.
Chrisb1.
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- Re: SOY: Russian roulette lisamarie23
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This is a reply to # 1,881,076Chris, pay no bother to him. It's alaways the same pattern, he starts arguing on Support Forums an eventually gets banned. perhaps the soy has already done its damage.
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This is a reply to # 1,881,452Thank you lisamarie that is good advice.
I find H to be antagonistic and confrontational.
People may disagree with each other of course, but it is unacceptable to address a difference of opinion with a high degree of incivility, which H always seems to do.
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- Re: SOY: Russian roulette JAZZIE
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- Re: SOY: Russian roulette Hveragerthi
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- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,880,239
The global jury is in on the danger of unfermented Soy and the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against its use.
Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!......................Mercola has been debunked on various issues as I have addressed previously as well:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1505749#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578913#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1707797#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1585657#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1700602#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1733066#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1442763#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1473734#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1542308#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1881037#i
So we have Mercola making up false claims and contradicting himself multiple times such as saying soy is dangerous due to its phytoestrogens while claiming flax seed is healthy even though it is nearly 4 times higher in phytoestrogens than soy. Flax seed also contains phytates that Mercola claims are dangerous. Then claiming soy is dangerous due to the glutamate, which IS NOT present in all soy, yet he consumes a lot of cheese and other foods that contain considerably more glutamate than found in some soy products. This does show though how people will listen to anyone, no matter how much they are making up, as long as it fits their pre-conceived notions or agendas. This is also why I don't rely on propaganda sites for my information and instead rely on credible sources such as properly conducted studies.
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This is a reply to # 1,881,043
H is right. When i was doing too much flax meal it was screwing with my prostate(enlarged prostate). From what i recall flax seem to be having more estrogen effects than soy. I went on the soy craze as well and it did not give me issues as much as flax meal did. I dont see a problem with people doing fermented soy every now and then. Women probably benefit from soy+flax more than men. Lean meat works better for me than soy.
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This is a reply to # 1,881,110Did you have a before and after physical exam that signaled enlarged prostate and cure?
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- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... JAZZIE
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This is a reply to # 1,879,807Maybe I should save this for the Conspiracy theory forum, but I read part of the article and when it was talking about all the different ways that soy is used in foods it reminded me of some thoughts I had a while back.
In the United States (and probably many other countries as well) almost all soy, corn and canola is Genetically-Modified-Organisms (as you pointed out many times before). If you look at the ingredient list of almost any packaged food you will see at least one of these ingredients in some form (in many cases all three are present). Many times, even if you don't see the actual word corn, soy, or canola on the ingredient list, chances are they are still present but under a different name. All those crazy chemical sounding names on the ingredient list are sometimes a combination of a few different products that are processed in a certain way. That is why a lot of times you will see an ingredient list that does not list the word soy, but then at the bottom for allergy warnings it will say CONTAINS SOY!
Well okay we all know this very well, but the question is why? I mean why does almost every packaged food contain these three same ingredients over and over?. Personally I think that "someone" is trying to make sure that we get as much Genetically-Modified-Organisms poison into our diet as possible. Add this to all of the other chemicals that are in our food, addictive flavor enhancers that make you crave to eat them over and over. Even though Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) was shown to be pretty much poisonous, they are still putting it in under different names (such as yeast extract) and you don't even know that you are eating it. They are putting fluoride and other poisons in the water. Anyway, most of us here on curezone are already avoiding packaged and processed foods and making our own fresh, nutritious food with our own hands. But we have to go out and educate other people about this and the many other ways we are slowly being killed. We are literally being poisoned TO DEATH, and most people have no idea what is really behind all this.- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... JAZZIE
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This is a reply to # 1,880,049Thank You So Much .. !!
Very Well Put... !!!
And~~ I think this is an excellent place to put this information.. so many people out there just do not realize what is happening.. and I really cannot understand a person Yelling so loud about how wonderful soy is when they are against Geneitcally Modified foods... Which Soy is.. and all those chemicalls used to raise it.. absorbed into the beans.
Which by the way is the same company that made Agent Orange .. that did so much havic on our Soldiers in Viet Nam and now for the people where the soy is being grown and us consuming their products.
I too wonder who is behind this Poisoning of our people. I once heard that America would be taken over without firing one shot... Well if we are sick how much can we stand to fight ??
My husband and I are in our mid-to late 60's and we have over come so many things, for my husband, that the doctors did not think we could take care of our selves.. but we got wise and stopped all the chemicals that were in food and medication. My husband is Vet. and only has 30% of his lungs and we took him off all their chemicals.. and he only uses Himalayan Sea Salt inhalers.. taking him off 5 inhalers.. and he has not lost lung capacity for 3 years.. He uses no Oxygen... and they marvel at his being alive.. he has had COPD sense 1984 and he looks like he is only in his 50's... they can't figure it out .. but we stay away from all things that are not a truly natural food.. They say Soy is Natural.. but how can they when it is Raised and made with so many chemicals.. and yes, I make all our foods.. However, there are still young people out there that just feel ..
They don't have time.. to do that.. a shame. I have always made most of our foods and I worked and had 3 kids.
It is a mind set. They make it so EASY for TIRED people to consume these chemicals that are so bad for all of us. And the more they comsume the more tired they get.. and sicker.
And so many people on here have so many problems it makes me want to weep... but the old saying is..
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT !!
I am only on here to maybe give information that some one has not found.. and may help someone to get well as we did.
THANKS FOR YOUR INTELLIGENT POST.
It was refreshing to hear from you.
Maybe you should repost this over on the Conspiracy site.
Again. Very well put!- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Trage... curability
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This is a reply to # 1,880,198I was sucked into the soy craze in the 80's. Drank a lot of soy milk and also soy lecithin but now try to stay away from all of it. However, I am guilty of eating soy put in stuf like cereal and soups.
I admire that you can stay away from all processed foods. The only way can stay away from desert type products is to allow myself snacks. One of them is pop corn although I pop it myself with plenty of coconut oil. The problem is that much of the corn is also gmo and organic kernels cost 5 x as much.- Expand 20 messages, 21 to 40 of 40 JAZZIE
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