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Not sure why this didn't post here when I originally posted, but it didn't.
Hello all
thanks for the reply chiron, refreshed.
So today I started my day with keeping my awareness on God. Of course I got distracted at regular intervals but I just returned to thinking of him. I also thought about his love for me, how amazing he is and how he loves me. I had a wonderful sense of well being. And the words that eventually came was I am enough. I have never felt enough in my whole life, never. But that is what came. I have striven after feeling enough in every way imaginable. I am not even currently working due to fatigue etc. but this morning i had my first real felt experience of I am enough.
I remember a bible study on Jesus walking on the water. Peter stepped out with his eyes on Jesus and took a few steps, but as soon as he took his eyes of Jesus he began to sink. And Jesus said something about little faith. There's the biblical reference. It came to me this morning before I was really awake. Oh how I pray for discernment over what thoughts are mine and what thoughts the enemies. Most of all what thoughts are from God. I fear the enemy within far more than any false prophet without.
Many of you have already found your rest in Jesus. This is mine. I am so grateful for the practical steps to achieving this. I am always worshiping, intercedeing, supplicating, waiting for response. Rarely just aware, focused...
So there is my miracle for the day.
Grace
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This is a reply to # 1,878,548I will agree with us needing to have awareness of God, and it can be a challenge in our busy days. People with illness, very much seek rest....it's most appealing than talking about anything that requires effort on our parts.
The rest that I speak of is that which the bible takes us through, the different stages of rest, such as the Promise land rest, Sabbath rest, Covenant rest, Spirit rest and our final stage of rest which will be when we go home, when we shed this earthly body.
(I know you get this next part but I share for others that may be reading) My covenant rest comes from being in Christ and accepting what He did for me on the cross. Each stage of rest needs to be understood as we move forward into Spirit rest.
Hebrew 4:1 "Therefore, let us fear lest, while a promise remains to enter into His rest, any one of you should appear to have failed to obtain it."
In other words...failed to obtain salvation through Christ, we didn't enter His rest because we refused to accept the Truth of who He is and having Trust in what He did for us.
However, as long as we are in the flesh/body we will strive but God's Spirit within us will help us do the things we can not do for ourselves, if we seek Him and know His will and do His will. (being doers as well as hearers of His Word.)
Colossians 1:28-29
28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. 29 To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily.
Philippians 1:27
Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will know that you stand firm in the one Spirit, striving together as one for the faith of the gospel
Galations: 13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexua| immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.
Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
In illness, God's rest penetrates our very soul to uplift us to let us know that Christ is still working through us even in our weakness. He has not forsaken or left us on our own to deal with it. He has made a way. We may call this the Spirit rest.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,567Hi Refreshed,
Thank you for finding our common ground. I hope what I am hearing is that you are having a felt experience of God's presence. If we have come to it in different ways but arrived at the same place then we are a marvelous example of the church. If you are feeling uncomfortable because bill elaborated and taught from his own experience of God and you don't know him, I can respect that. We all have our teachers that we feel speak in a way that helps us to find God. Refreshed, I have a sense of you from your posts that you have a abiding love and connection to the Lord. I respect this and the way that you present yourself greatly. We just differ on how willing we are to hear a believers story and learn from it without finding an exact match in the bible. If it has a flavor of the Lord, if it is in keeping with the tone/inference of scripture it is enough for me. This may sound too liberal to you or dangerous. And I can respect that.
The bible says we should judge others by the fruit they produce. As far as I can see the fruit in my life of this word and others from Bill over the past two years has been very good. I believe the bible is an amazing teaching when the holy spirit informs the reader of the meaning of the words, and even without the holy spirit giving the reader discernment, it is the greatest source of knowledge. But God is still talking, and I want to hear it. If someone has an amazing intimacy with the Lord, I want to hear all about it. There are false teachings in the world, but if they are false then I pray regularly for God to turn me away.
I hope we can grow together refreshed. I wonder what your growing edge is. I wonder if I have made you terribly uncomfortable or if your enjoying our exchange. How are you?? That's important to me. Am I shaking things up too much for anybody. Sorry if I am, I just love whats happening in my spiritual life and wish I had surrendered sooner. Grace- Re: repeat from christian modalities refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,878,593Grace I hope you can tell that I don't have anything against you, for you have been more than patient with all my questions and tones of doubt, but I do get concerned about certain ways things are taught. You say it's a personal experience he had, but it comes more across as a teaching....it was a sermon after all.
You posted: "God, right now I am not going to do anything. I'm not going to pray or worship, I am just going to become aware that I am the object of your affection and love. I am just going to sit here with that awareness."
Big key word stands out in this statement. There are 5 "I" in this statement. It's all about me, me, me. Where in the bible does it say to do this? We are not to create little gods within ourselves.
I'm not saying Bill is a person who does not love the Lord, but I do realize that not all out there are biblical teachers. Some Charismatic christians are getting away from the bible...calling it milk. I can trust what the bible says but anything else needs to be tested. It has guided me all through these years with the help of the Holy Spirit and it has never directed me incorrectly.
This is my testimony of why I'm a biblical christian...
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1693385
I too had a personal experience to share about a person involved in the gold dust phenomenon, so I hope you understand why I want to be careful and pick out the useful truths you have to share and I will discard what I do not feel is biblical. I hope that does not make you uncomfortable.
Even the bible tells the story of Simon the Sorcerer who people gave the nickname 'The Great Power of God'. He believed on Jesus and was baptized and was amazed at the laying on of hands and the Holy Spirit being given. He wanted to buy this ability of laying hands on people but was rebuked for having such a mindset. So, we have a record of someone who is attracted for the wrong reasons. I could just imagine how Simon would react if he saw gold & gemstones appearing. So we can just use common sense to know that many who look at prosperity wrongly will be attracted. Or we could look at all this more positively and say that God is refining his people.
It seems there are fewer and fewer people with true discernment anymore. I hear people making up excuses for others, when the signs are so huge. It took too long for people to catch on to this pastor who was crooked in his actions and by that time it took even longer to get the evidence to prove it. He never repented and the damage was done. He was big on teaching covenant relationships within the church. Which sounds good if everyone is trustworthy and not out to benefit for themselves.
The question I have to ask myself is this. What is the purpose of using gold dust? My thought is to create more faith in people. Fake faith healers for years believed if they could only create more faith in their congregation then real miracles would come....so they would start out by using fakes miracles....so, the power of people's faith in God and the receptiveness of the positive mindset did cause people to heal. Do we say God healed them or due to deception...the devil did?
My faith in God and knowing He loved me, took me a certain direction to find physical healing. Even though I was sick, I believed, I tried to stay positive and I did what I was shown to do and did heal from the good gift that God gave me.
I don't think anyone thinks that God is incapable of creating something out of thin air....that would not be biblical. Creation comes to mind....but the bible also says that many false prophets will arise, along with false miracles, and so a fear of being unsure of the quality of our discernment is questioned, if even the Elect could be fooled. So surrender can mean different things to different people. Needing great assurance to what we are surrendering to.
As a christian my belief is that I became a spirit filled christian on the day I cried out to Him and Christ spoke and I responded. Everything was done for my salvation....I just need to walk in Truth...with the Holy Spirit so I can endure all the way to the end.
So I hope you can see how people are careful of such things. Everyone inches up closer, little by little, to trusting in the unseen God things of this world, but there are just enough Simons in the world to cause many to doubt. I will be glad when the day comes...Jesus appears...and all doubts are put away. :)
You will have to explain what a growing edge is.
As far as shaking up this forum. There is always a whole lotta shakin' goin' on. lol
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This is a reply to # 1,878,740Dear Refreshed,
Its good to hear from you. It was beautiful weather here today, and I got outside and cleaned up my yard. I had enough energy to rake and to clean the gutters and put the storm windows on the screened in porch. It was a good day.
All that to say I had plenty of time to do some thinking. I remembered how I approached new ministers years ago when I was looking for more input and that I tested things back then. I still put everything through a filter but, I trust bill more now.
I'm sorry bill sounded all about the "I" and that made you think he is creating little gods. I think he was trying to instruct on how to do this process by saying what not to do. He has seemed pretty humble and focused on God, but then like I said I have been listening for closer to three years now. You're allowed to see it your way. I just wish I could share with others something that I think is the most helpful thing I have heard in awhile.
I don't even know if what is different about it is getting explicit information that was empowering, or if my mind is quieter now and so I can do these kinds of things. At times, in the past my mind has not been able to focus to do anything.
It is very good to hear of your healing. I will be very happy to read about your healing. Thank you for sharing that.
I wonder how we can be close without triggering stuff. Not just you and me but Christians on a forum like this. I knew it was risky to put my own personal beliefs out there but what matters to me is how I am growing and how others are growing.
A growing edge is what you are learning or trying to learn either about yourself or about life. Maybe some people don't have a growing edge. That could be good, it is just foreign to me. I think what I was looking for in that comment was to get to know you, beyond our differences. Your offered link to your story will be great.
There is just so many good testimonies out there it is hard to not talk about all that God is doing today.
So glad you are well.
grace
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This is a reply to # 1,878,748Awesome to hear you are having a great energy day. Working outdoors on a beautiful day can bring some of the best thinking. I enjoy being on my riding lawnmower with battery operated radio inside a pair of large headphones. Praise music drowning out the noise of the world.
My favorite thinking spot is the garden, especially when there is Sugar snaps growing. Sitting out in the garden with my cup of mushroom coffee, eating Sugar snaps peas, listening to the birds while my feet get a chance to touch the soil some.
Missed doing that this year. Had to travel out of state to care for an Aunt who was ill. Stayed longer than expected...almost 6 months, so there was no way to care for a garden.
Did however learn alot about finding peace in the midst of caring for another. It really does start with relaxing and talking with God. My problem being I was use to speaking out loud in my prayers and really didn't want my Aunt interrupting me by saying "what did you say?" lol
Discovered that late at night I would fill my bath with hot water and 4 cups of espom salt and a quart of hydrogen peroxide and could soak and pray in whispers. Actually like it better because it made it feel personal and secretive just between God and I. Very healing inside and out. I guess that was my growing edge for this year.
I don't know how your family is but around here christian family can be very similar. We always love each other, no matter what, but we sometimes take time off and spend time doing other things or with other people. When we get back together it's a new fresh start. Sometimes people are here reading, just not chatting.
There are christians here at curezone but everyone is here for different reasons. I would say the most are here trying to find what will heal their minds and bodies. Some are here to teach, others to debate, to learn, to share and even some to destroy. Glad there are not too many of them.
For me, I guess I'm here because I'm grateful to God for showing me how to heal and so I stayed behind to help others with the same.
How about you? What are you here for?- Re: repeat from christian modalities grace2010
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This is a reply to # 1,878,769Mostly as an opportunity to witness to people who are hurting and don't have a relationship to God. But then I got sidetracked into community seeking here. I forgot how different my beliefs are for awhile. I am so passionate about my faith and I just love talking about it. I haven't always been as happy with it as I am now, so I can relate to people who think it is weird or who think it is too much. Its just that I went through that part when I was a kid. Nothing sinister, just it seemed weird. Now what was weird is what gives me hope.
I hope to talk with all of you more. Tomorrow is a really busy day, so I will likely not post tomorrow, Grace.- Re: repeat from christian modalities refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,878,827I think it gets harder and harder to witness it seems. People don't want to heal spiritually. Their eyes are elsewhere, focused on something else to blame.
Thank you for being kind as I shared my thoughts with you. I know that it can't be easy listening to someone be negative about something that means alot to you. I just wanted you to know that I respect you despite whatever my thoughts about Bill are.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,848Grace, I have nothing personally against you. What I have learned though, through Refreshed, and others, is that it's extremely hard, more like impossible, to be friends with those that don't share the same beliefs. Not saying it can't be done, but I personally have not seen it work out very much.
So, I'm done trying that. I've wasted too much time trying to do that.
I knew from the beginning, a few years ago, that Refreshed and me did not see eye to eye on what I considered important issues. But we both tried to remain friends despite that. But then it just all blew up recently, through some private messages. I found out how she really felt all along, which really I already knew, but tried to ignore I guess. But no thanks! Life is hard enough without friends like her thinking she is on some high horse ruling all these poor people down on the low horses.
She said a bunch of lies about me, fed no doubt to her by the devil, and I said good bye.
I have true friends that are an encouragement to me. I can't waste time on these hurtful relationships anymore. Time is too precious.
Grace, just seek God to lead you, I will do the same, and all will be well if we just keep doing that.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,848I refershed,
This was a really nice note, and I never got to reply to it. Too much happening here and at home. Thanks for saying that. I have been reading a long post you had in august of 2010. It was a nice review of Healing principles. I agreed with every word. Though it wasn't new info to me, it was powerful nonetheless. We can know things but have a hard time keeping our actions in line with them. It takes alot of strength to be here and I appreciate everyone who has done it. And thanks for the referral to moreless. I don't think I can handle his ways to get to the good stuff right now. I'm glad he was a source of good for you, and so I am sure there is a lot of good there. I'll keep him in mind for another time. Right now I just have to stay more focused on my awareness of God's presence and eliminating negative limiting beliefs. And studying the word. God loves you and he says you are enough! I hear that statement you made about your faith seems to grow when other people get it. I want you to get what you need. Thanks again for hearing me and not wigging out. That is awesome.
I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on how we can be safe and fed here.
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This is a reply to # 1,879,355Was looking for that healing post not long ago. Glad you found it.
No I don't expect everyone to be able to take what moreless has to offer. We are all at different places in our walk and what you can handle is going to be different than what I can.
I only offer this info in case people keep finding failure after failure in their health and wish to try a way to supply their temple with the nutrients their poor digestion systems normally can't handle due to the poor quality of today's so-called healthy foods.
It calls people to action.....rest is not the main focus in this protocol's healing as you are seeking. It is probably why I can't relate to "rest" as some share. I have rest in Jesus and what He did for me on the cross, because His yoke is light.
Now He has seen fit to heal me and I put my faith in God, who creates action in my life. Not works of righteousness as some may like to apply. Works are hard and burdensome. Faith action is Holy Spirit, fuel-fed, motion to do His will.
When we are in sickness and feel weak, the notion of "action" is not appealing to us. We want to rest or sleep...some even want to die. I do believe in instant healing from God but I also know that sometimes God takes us a different path of learning as we heal. There are some lessons in life we can not learn from instant healing....again we are all different, but God knows what we need to learn.
There are postings somewhere or another where I mentioned my first time in the Moreless forum. I questioned God as to why he would send me to such a place. There were no prayers or angels singing....there was much china breaking all around.
Matter of fact, I thought I might have even heard incorrectly and gone off the path somewhat. However, I kept enduring as I waited for the truth of what God was trying to show me would present itself. It finally did when I started noticing major changes in my health, physical appearance and brain functioning.
I give all glory to God for my healing...No one else gets that praise. I do send appreciation and love to a dear person, who listened to God to serve others first and freely gave. Whom to many seems like a grouchy old turkey buzzard but to those that see what God is doing through him, call him friend. :)
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This is a reply to # 1,878,740I agree with you, Refreshed. I have never been in a Bill Johnson meeting and I have no right to judge him. Grace2010 had me curious so I did a little research. From what I saw, it is similar to what the Lord drew me out of. The Lord drew me out of the fake. Again, I am not saying Bill Johnson is fake because I do not even know him and only God can judge the heart. I am saying that from what little research I did, it reminded me too much of what I have come out of, while searching for truth, to even want to be in involved with him. The Bible tells us to test the spirits. All supernatural manifestations are not of God. The devil is out to deceive and he has plenty of false ministers doing just that. The devil does use supernatural manifestations to deceive knowing full well this will fool people. Again, I am not saying that this shoe fits Bill as I have no way of judging him. The research I did on him just reminded me of all that.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,760You talk about discernment Refreshed. You of all people need some. You can't even see what's wrong with Moreless's beliefs, a person who clearly speaks a false gospel. Wake up!
As for Bill Johnson, yes there is plenty of information about his false teachings out there. I don't have a problem with that particular statement that Grace posted. You get that whole "can't say I" thing from Moreless, who likes to boast about himself non-stop. Kind of ironic, don't ya think?
Just thought I'd drop by for a line or two. I'm outta here.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,765I've missed you and hope you come back soon. Due to lack of time, I haven't read all of your posts, but the few that I have read have been a blessing to me. You have added a lot in the discussions which have been border line debates in the past. You have brought up many good points. How are we going to get to the truth if we can't have healthy discussions about the scripture? I think it is all good. As for Moreless, I haven't read hardly any of his posts so I have no idea what he believes. May God lead you in whatever His plans are for your life. :)
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This is a reply to # 1,878,780Rainy, you are sweet! I've always enjoyed your posts too. Fact of the matter though, no matter how much I wish it could be so too, some people you just can't have healthy discussions with, not in this life. Heaven will be a different story, and oh how I long for it!
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This is a reply to # 1,878,760
Its not for everyone, and it takes some effort to balance faith teaching. I can understand how people new to a church that believes in miracles as normal for the believer would have a lot to adjust to.
I really appreciate that the church you felt drawn out of wasn't a good place. And that anything that reminds you of it feels off. We all have to find our way. And I appreciate you being gracious about Bill and leaving some room for the possibility that he may not be bad.
I guess all I can say is its right for me so far and I doubt that will change at this late point. I am guessing you have found a way of worship that fits for you. As long as it is meeting your needs and helping to equip you to take your place in the kingdom, then that is all there is to say.
grace
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This is a reply to # 1,878,813
I can understand how people new to a church that believes in miracles as normal for the believer would have a lot to adjust to.
This part of what you said is not really the issue with me. I actually do believe that the gifts of the Spirit are for today. It was about the people and ministers trying to fake it. It was the false teaching. It was how they twisted the Word of God to control people. It was how they extorted money out of people for there own gain. It was about if we do not tithe we are not even saved and about binding people to tithing which is clearly not in the Bible. It was not just one group that I left. I tried many different churches trying to find one that was real with a real Biblical message. I finally left completely and with God's blessing.
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This is a reply to # 1,878,888Dear Rainy,
What a nice handle (screen name) you have there.
I really am sorry that you had such experiences at churches. That really stinks. Sounds awful.
Grace
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