Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? 
DeadPoets
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Hi hvergarth,
I was curious which herbs one should avoid if they have diverticuli.
In particular...
Cascara
Senna
Crampbark
Yellow dock- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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I was curious which herbs one should avoid if they have diverticuli.
In particular...
Cascara
Senna
Crampbark
Yellow dockMy list of herbs to avoid would be:
Psyllium husk and seed
Stimulant laxatives (senna, cascara sagrada, rhubarb root, curacao and cape aloes)
Berberine herbs (goldenseal, Oregon grape root, barberry, goldthread also known as coptis)
And any coarsely ground herbs, especially if they have small seeds such as hawthorn berry.
I do not see cramp bark or yellow dock as being problems, but yellow dock is best left alone unless an iron source is needed for iron deficiency anemia.
To help with diverticulitis I recommend silica sources such as nettle leaf, rice or oat bran, seaweeds or diatomaceous earth added to water and settled out as described in other posts. Also foods or herbs high in vitamin C, but again watch out for foods with small seeds. Yucca root combined with some licorice root is great for reducing infection, inflammation and to clean out the diverticuli.
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- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,825,578Yes I do almost all of your recommendations for it.
but what I have is diverticulitis (which means it's infected!)
What would you recommend to treat the infection?
And I want to do colonics eventually to help clear out pockets, is this ok?- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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Yes I do almost all of your recommendations for it.
but what I have is diverticulitis (which means it's infected!)Diverticulitis simply means that the diverticuli are inflamed. This can occur with or without infection.
What would you recommend to treat the infection?The licorice root and yucca root both help with inflammation and infection.
Maintaining the flora is also essential since the flora are the primary antiseptic source for the intestines.
And I want to do colonics eventually to help clear out pockets, is this ok?I am not a big fan of colonics since they can mess with the electrolytes and flush out the flora.
One of the reasons I recommend yucca root for diverticulitis is that it is like a natural soap and washes out the diverticuli while helping to control infection.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,825,797Those are good recommendations as well.
I do kefir for the flora and coffee enemas to detox.
(I'm treating Lyme Disease naturally - so it's a tough friggin disease to knock)
This diverticulitis issue is making it 10 x's worse because now the pathogens have a great hiding area and weak spots to feed off of.
Grrrr- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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Those are good recommendations as well.
I do kefir for the flora and coffee enemas to detox.Coffee enemas are hard on the adrenals due to the caffeine, which adversely affects the adrenals the same way as if ingested orally.
If you want to cleanse the liver bitters are a better and safer choice.
(I'm treating Lyme Disease naturally - so it's a tough friggin disease to knock)
This diverticulitis issue is making it 10 x's worse because now the pathogens have a great hiding area and weak spots to feed off of.The yucca root in particular will help with that. And you can restore the elasticity to the diverticuli with the silica and vitamin C sources.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,825,824Do you think the Oat Bran is still ok?
With maybe plain Greek Yogurt?- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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Do you think the Oat Bran is still ok?
Yes, both oat bran and rice bran are "soft" fibers, so they do not aggravate diverticulitis like wheat bran or psyllium husk.
With maybe plain Greek Yogurt?Yes, this will help with the flora as well, which is very important.
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- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,825,824I'm here to fess up : /
The coffee enemas have been causing me adrenal problems now that I put 2 and 2 together.
When I first started CEs 4 months ago I thought they were great. I felt so good afterwards (I do think getting un-constipated will make ya feel good - but it was also the caffeine RUSH!)
The last month or so afterw the CEs I would feel terrible.
I just assumed I was dumping toxins and they were circulating in gut/bloodstream.
So I took charcoal and it didn't help.
My symptoms after the enemas have been heart palps, weakness, startled easy, low blood sugar, blurred vision.
So I took mineral drops with water and had a small meal and felt 100000 times better. Still I'm very weak right now and get startled so easy.
Definitely whacks adrenals (Damnit!)- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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I'm here to fess up : /
The coffee enemas have been causing me adrenal problems now that I put 2 and 2 together.
When I first started CEs 4 months ago I thought they were great. I felt so good afterwards (I do think getting un-constipated will make ya feel good - but it was also the caffeine RUSH!)
The last month or so afterw the CEs I would feel terrible.
I just assumed I was dumping toxins and they were circulating in gut/bloodstream.
So I took charcoal and it didn't help.
My symptoms after the enemas have been heart palps, weakness, startled easy, low blood sugar, blurred vision.
So I took mineral drops with water and had a small meal and felt 100000 times better. Still I'm very weak right now and get startled so easy.
Definitely whacks adrenals (Damnit!)Thanks for your report. More people need to read this since there are so many people out there that seem to believe that caffeine taken rectally magically does not have the same adverse effects as caffeine taken orally. Caffeine is caffeine no matter how it is ingested, and it will weaken the adrenals.
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This is a reply to # 1,825,797I'm glad that you said that about colonics. I don't believe in enemas either.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,825,813I actually love Coffee Enemas.
What I don't like are unwanted toxins/metals recycling through the body.
: )- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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I actually love Coffee Enemas.
What I don't like are unwanted toxins/metals recycling through the body.
: )Point I was making is that bitters are very effective in cleansing the liver and they will not crash the adrenals like coffee enemas. Crashing the adrenals can lead to a whole host of problems including blood pressure and blood pressure issues, low energy, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, allergies/asthma, autoimmunity, water retention, etc.
Also keep in mind that the tannins in the coffee are likely to kill the flora, which will actually INCREASE the absorption of toxins from the colon since one of the roles of the flora is to break down various toxins, such as hormone metabolites, for excretion.
As for heavy metals simply releasing them is not a good idea. As long as they are in a free form they are going to cause damage as they circulate, before being eliminated or redeposited. Safer means of dealing with heavy metals are binders such as algins from seaweeds, pectins from fruits and vegetables or phytates from seeds. These bind with the heavy metals ensuring elimination rather than possible redeposition. Amla berry is also helpful as it helps prevent DNA damage from the heavy metals as they are released before they get bound for elimination.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,826,279I have major adrenal issues and the coffee enemas don't cause them to crash. High colonics DO. (in my experience)
Good point on the tannins. But again - I'd much rather flush the liver and remove the toxins. I can replenish with kefir.
For those of us who are very sick (cancer, Lyme, etc) we can't pitter patter around with constipation and circulating toxins.
I've done ALL of the anti-constipation remedies out there and none come even close to doing what an enema does.
I can understand why people are against them - but trying stopping a really sick patient from doing something that helps.
(and when I say help - I mean it feels like the weight of the world is off my shoulders after coffee enemas)
And yes I do the binders for heavy metals (chlorella, pectin, chracoal)
But coffee enemas detox heavy metals better than any of those (thanks to the glutathione production and enormous bile surge during the enema)- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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I have major adrenal issues and the coffee enemas don't cause them to crash. High colonics DO. (in my experience)
If you already have major adrenal issues then how can you tell if you are crashing them or not?
Good point on the tannins. But again - I'd much rather flush the liver and remove the toxins. I can replenish with kefir.
For those of us who are very sick (cancer, Lyme, etc) we can't pitter patter around with constipation and circulating toxins.Bitters not only stimulate the liver to flush, but they also stimulate peristalsis of the intestines thus helping with the elimination of toxins, but without crashing the adrenals from the caffeine in the coffee.
I've done ALL of the anti-constipation remedies out there and none come even close to doing what an enema does.
I can understand why people are against them - but trying stopping a really sick patient from doing something that helps.
(and when I say help - I mean it feels like the weight of the world is off my shoulders after coffee enemas)Nobody is stopping anyone here. But people need to be aware of the dangers of practices such as coffee enemas as well and safer alternatives they can choose from. Unfortunately I have seen too many times coffee enema supporters claim that the caffeine magically does not over stimulate the adrenals when taken rectally as opposed to orally. Nothing can be further from the truth. Caffeine is caffeine and has a stimulatory effect whether through an enema, ingested orally, snorted, injected or any other means people can conceive to get it in to their systems.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,826,388I can tell they aren't crashing my adrenals because I've had a high colonics crash my adrenals. I was out for a month! Was bad.
And again I'm not sure coffee enemas are a danger. (especially if done as irregular as me - twice a week)
Gerson patients often do multiple coffee enemas a day and these patients get better and in many instances recover from cancer.
I'm assuming cancer patients have major adrenal issues as well.
Why would Dr Gerson put them at risk of complete adrenal exhaustion?
And I didn't mean to assume you were trying to stop people from using them. I do think it's good you provide the necessary information for people to make informed decisions.
We're all in this health journey together : )
and you've helped me a lot. - Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? HealedbyYshua
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This is a reply to # 1,826,388Quick question on the coffee enemas...
I am working with an elderly man (90) who had prostate cancer metastasize into his spine and pelvic area in this last year, and I have had him on daily ozone insufflations (rectal & ear) and was given info awhile back that anyone doing rectal insufflations needed to do coffee enemas beforehand. I just started him on raw goat kefir for the flora (had him on Dr. Ohhira probiotics and various enzymes--maybe I depleted his potassium a bit from all the proteolytic enzymes? Need to check on that).
But do you believe that enemas are not needed in conjunction with the insufflations? He has complained of feeling very weak recently (adrenals?) despite the veggie juices, green shakes, ozone, Omega 3 & (raw) 6 oils (& FCLO), ACV drinks and various tinctures I have him on (the protocol(s) initially brought his psi down from 17 to 9.8 but he has just gone back up to 11 after a couple months of downward movement). I have been trying to keep up with the dieoff with a bit of Green Clay each day. I will add some nettle and diatomaceous earth since he has a history of IBS. He was in a lot of pain a couple months ago, but that has gone away, and he's thrilled about that, so hopefully I can tweak the routine and keep him moving forward.
What do you think of the topical magnesium oil vs. oral magnesium? Also, I have him on 12.5 mg Iodoral since prostate issues (from what I understand--pls correct if wrong) generally start due to hormonal imbalance, particularly xenoestrogens.
Thanks for any insights.
Sandy
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This is a reply to # 1,825,578Hvergarth said: ""And any coarsely ground herbs, especially if they have small seeds such as hawthorn berry.""
^ That wouldn't include Hawthorn/CoQ10 capsules from NOW, would it?
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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Hvergarth said: ""And any coarsely ground herbs, especially if they have small seeds such as hawthorn berry.""
^ That wouldn't include Hawthorn/CoQ10 capsules from NOW, would it?Capsuled herbs are generally not a problem because the herbs are ground down to a very fine mesh in most cases so the herbs flow better in the machinery and make it easier to get close to the actual milligrams that are supposed to be in the capsule. The problem is if you buy ground herbs for your own capsules. Not all herb suppliers have the same grinding specs and some of the powders can be too coarse for diverticulitis, especially if the herb contains small seeds.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,826,698Ok - and last question.
You said something like plain greek yogurt would be ok.
But I've read from a few websites that dairy is no good for diverticulitis.
What do ya think?- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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Ok - and last question.
You said something like plain greek yogurt would be ok.
But I've read from a few websites that dairy is no good for diverticulitis.
What do ya think?Probiotic sources such as Greek yogurt are beneficial for diverticulitis. Probiotics help to keep infection and inflammation down in diverticulitis.
- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? DeadPoets
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This is a reply to # 1,827,608You're the best!
I love my Greek Yogurt with lecithin granules and raw honey.
I eat that with oat bran (+ rice bran) every morning.
Oh and that's after my morning kefir shake with flax oil.
^^^
LOL I mean is that not the best breakfast combo ever for healing a gut?- Re: Diverticuli - Herbs to avoid? Hveragerthi
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You're the best!
I love my Greek Yogurt with lecithin granules and raw honey.
I eat that with oat bran (+ rice bran) every morning.
Oh and that's after my morning kefir shake with flax oil.
^^^
LOL I mean is that not the best breakfast combo ever for healing a gut?Just need to add some high vitamin C fruits to also help with restoring the elastin in the diverticuli.
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