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Ok yesterday about an hour after lunch about 1 p.m. or so, my stomach began to have pain and within a short time I had that gut issue again like I had before and mentioned here several days back.
It was a constant gnawing burning allover pain that would not abate. Digestive enzymes didn't help, ginger didn't help, calmag didn't help, water didn't help, ginger ale didn't help...I even chewed some pepto bismal tablets, something I HATE.... cause the pain was so bad and that didn't help!
I later had a bit of queasiness with it but the main thing was the overall pain that wouldn't go away. The pain even radiated to my sides and back!!! There was no position I could take where the pain was less. I even gave serious thought to going to the hospital.
After a miserable day in pain, I finally went to bed to watch some TV. Before I did, I took some plain old baking soda and water. THAT WORKED! Within 30 minutes the pain lifted and I had relief!!!
Now I'm wondering what is wrong with me? Is it an ulcer? I didn't eat anything weird, but I must've eaten something that triggered this. I figured it had to be irritation and inflammation of some sort. That's when I tried the baking soda and water to alkalize and calm it down.
Every test I know of for ulcers involves nasty stuff like upper G.I., wires and cameras down the throat, etc. UGH. I am going to research more on ulcers today but my first stop was here. How does one heal ulcers? How are they caused? Do I now have too much acid in my stomach?
Should I take some oil of oregano or olive to kill the h. pylori bacteria that causes it? Would any of the things I've been taking...the bitters, vitex, nettle leaf, yucca root, etc. contribute to this? Should they be helping? I even had a milk kefir smoothie that morning which obviously had no effect on this later!
This is all new to me, although I've always had a 'nervous stomach' my whole life. This may just be the end result of it! Input please.
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Wow, sorry to hear it hasn't gone away. Have you checked out diverticulitis? A co-worker just had that and it was very serious. Her symptoms at work were just major bloating and burping.
www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/symptoms_remedies/diverticular_disorders/90-1.html
That sounds funny writing gas was her main complaints at work, so I need to explain. I don't want to scare you, but that night her pain got so bad she went to the hospital and they diagnosed her with diverticulitis that ruptured, and operated and saved her life! Apparently, it can cause sepsis, so I wouldn't take it lightly if that's what you have.
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- Re: More Gut Pain! (edited) Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,620,293That sounds funny writing gas was her main complaints at work, so I need to explain. I don't want to scare you, but that night her pain got so bad she went to the hospital and they diagnosed her with diverticulitis that ruptured, and operated and saved her life! Apparently, it can cause sepsis, so I wouldn't take it lightly if that's what you have.
Diverticulitis is aggravated by small seeds or other hard particles getting caught in the diverticuli. So pain after eating things with small seeds is a good indicator of diverticulitis.
As for sepsis this would also lead to fever since it is an intense infection.
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This is a reply to # 1,620,201Ok yesterday about an hour after lunch about 1 p.m. or so, my stomach began to have pain and within a short time I had that gut issue again like I had before and mentioned here several days back.
It was a constant gnawing burning allover pain that would not abate. Digestive enzymes didn't help, ginger didn't help, calmag didn't help, water didn't help, ginger ale didn't help...I even chewed some pepto bismal tablets, something I HATE.... cause the pain was so bad and that didn't help!
I later had a bit of queasiness with it but the main thing was the overall pain that wouldn't go away. The pain even radiated to my sides and back!!! There was no position I could take where the pain was less. I even gave serious thought to going to the hospital.
After a miserable day in pain, I finally went to bed to watch some TV. Before I did, I took some plain old baking soda and water. THAT WORKED! Within 30 minutes the pain lifted and I had relief!!!
Now I'm wondering what is wrong with me? Is it an ulcer? I didn't eat anything weird, but I must've eaten something that triggered this. I figured it had to be irritation and inflammation of some sort. That's when I tried the baking soda and water to alkalize and calm it down.Based on a few things you mentioned, including the time until the attack and the radiation of pain I really doubt if it is your stomach. It really sounds more like a gallbladder attack. Women are more prone to gallbladder issues due to the higher levels of estrogen and progesterone.
Also I don't think the baking soda had anything to do with the symptom alleviation. These attacks are rarely long in duration and it likely subsided on its own.
Every test I know of for ulcers involves nasty stuff like upper G.I., wires and cameras down the throat, etc. UGH. I am going to research more on ulcers today but my first stop was here.Again I don't think it is an ulcer.
How does one heal ulcers?
If bacterial in origin then mastic gum and licorice root.
For other ulcers cabbage juice, plantain bananas, gotu kola , and licorice root are all good.
How are they caused? Do I now have too much acid in my stomach?
No they are not caused by excess acid. The most common causes are H. pylori bacteria and the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). The NSAIDs lead to ulcers by inhibiting a prostaglandin needed to produce the stomach's protective lining. Without this lining the stomach acid can directly attack the stomach wall.
Should I take some oil of oregano or olive to kill the h. pylori bacteria that causes it?If there were an ulcer this would likely aggravate it. Mastic gum would be my first choice followed by the licorice root.
Would any of the things I've been taking...the bitters, vitex, nettle leaf, yucca root, etc. contribute to this?
The vitex possibly if it is a gallbladder issue since the vitex raises progesterone and progesterone increases the risk of gallstones.
Should they be helping? I even had a milk kefir smoothie that morning which obviously had no effect on this later!
Bitters will help if it is a gallbladder issue. Lecithin granules and increased fiber intake will help.
This is all new to me, although I've always had a 'nervous stomach' my whole life. This may just be the end result of it! Input please.Still the way you described it this time it does not sound like a stomach issue. And if it was a stomach issue the baking soda would have masked the symptoms immediately, not 30 minutes later. Sounds more like a gallbladder issue.
- Re: More Gut Pain! GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,620,741Then I suppose I'll need to find out what triggers gallbladders attacks???!!!
THEN figure out how to PREVENT it!
Ok, I read the symptoms of gallbladder 'attacks' and some could definitely apply to me. But the only specific pain I felt during these episodes was on the left side of my stomach area, not the right side at all.
Then again, I find it difficult to believe a stomach irritation could cause so much gnawing pain over such a wide area. And I would think an ulcer flareup could be relived somehow more quickly.
And from the time it began until the time it was relieved was EIGHT HOURS! So it was VERY LONG in duration and I was quite miserable!
How do docs check for gallbladder problems? I've had them press in and around my gallbladder area before with no pain or problems. Do they do ultrasounds or what?
Marci- Re: More Gut Pain! Hveragerthi
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Then I suppose I'll need to find out what triggers gallbladders attacks???!!!
THEN figure out how to PREVENT it!Contributing factors include estrogen, progesterone, lack of fiber and lack of lecithin and dietary fats.
Therefore I recommend getting the hormones in balance, increase your intake of fibers and lecithin granules, and small amounts of oil with each meal to help keep the bile from becoming stagnant. Sterol sources such as the jiaogulan, yucca root or maca will help prevent the reabsorption of the cholesterol released in the bile in to the intestines.
Ok, I read the symptoms of gallbladder 'attacks' and some could definitely apply to me. But the only specific pain I felt during these episodes was on the left side of my stomach area, not the right side at all.The pain can occur in a number of areas.
Then again, I find it difficult to believe a stomach irritation could cause so much gnawing pain over such a wide area. And I would think an ulcer flareup could be relived somehow more quickly.Yes, I would think the baking soda would again have masked the symptoms right away, not 30 minutes later.
And from the time it began until the time it was relieved was EIGHT HOURS! So it was VERY LONG in duration and I was quite miserable!
How do docs check for gallbladder problems? I've had them press in and around my gallbladder area before with no pain or problems. Do they do ultrasounds or what?Ultrasound should be the first test. They may also order an x-ray or scan.
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This is a reply to # 1,621,173Therefore I recommend getting the hormones in balance, increase your intake of fibers and lecithin granules, and small amounts of oil with each meal to help keep the bile from becoming stagnant. Sterol sources such as the jiaogulan, yucca root or maca will help prevent the reabsorption of the cholesterol released in the bile in to the intestines.
Yep, been doing that for almost a year now. Should I take the digestive bitters at EVERY meal instead of the heaviest? Would that help keep the gallbladder functioning well?
What actually causes the gallbladder to cause problems when a person loses weight to fast? Can this be prevented? I have been losing weight quite nicely and I don't want to stop ... low carb/low cal basically. I was told "As the body metabolizes fat during prolonged fasting and rapid weight loss, the liver secretes extra cholesterol into the bile which can cause gallstones. In addition, the gallbladder does not empty properly."
If this is so, how can it be fixed?
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Therefore I recommend getting the hormones in balance, increase your intake of fibers and lecithin granules, and small amounts of oil with each meal to help keep the bile from becoming stagnant. Sterol sources such as the jiaogulan, yucca root or maca will help prevent the reabsorption of the cholesterol released in the bile in to the intestines.
Yep, been doing that for almost a year now. Should I take the digestive bitters at EVERY meal instead of the heaviest? Would that help keep the gallbladder functioning well?
Yes, I would go to three times a day on the bitters. This will help to gallbladder to contract more frequently reducing bile stagnation.
What actually causes the gallbladder to cause problems when a person loses weight to fast? Can this be prevented? I have been losing weight quite nicely and I don't want to stop ... low carb/low cal basically. I was told "As the body metabolizes fat during prolonged fasting and rapid weight loss, the liver secretes extra cholesterol into the bile which can cause gallstones. In addition, the gallbladder does not empty properly."
Exactly.
If this is so, how can it be fixed?
Again the bitters 3 times daily. I know you are doing maca but what about the fiber and lecithin granules?
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This is a reply to # 1,621,706I am doing the lecithin granules although not daily and I am doing fiber daily in different forms. I'm still doing the other health protocols and supplements you've suggested to me over the last eight months or so as well.
I have lost weight recently, about 30 pounds since January and I want to continue on my weight loss program. The first part of the program was six weeks with no fat. I am thinking that's why when I began eating fats again on the second part of the program, my gallbladder had a fit about it. I will take the transition much slower next round. I will be starting back to the no fat portion of the program in two weeks. [I know you don't approve of 'extreme' weight loss measures but I feel this is good for me and the weight is dropping!]
So taking bitters at every meal will trigger the gallbladder to release bile, yes?
Is the purpose of bile only to break down fat in the diet?
If so, I won't need the bitters on the no fat portion of my program, correct?
Is the liver secreting cholesterol into the gallbladder and normal thing?
What is the purpose of that? If it is not normal, can it be corrected and if so, how?
Can gallstones, if there are any, be dissolved or eliminated other than with flushes? I've heard epson salts or bile salts help relax and open the ducts?
What ongoing things can one do to keep the gallbladder healthy and functioning properly?
Thanks a bunch like always, James!!!
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This is a reply to # 1,621,856I am doing the lecithin granules although not daily and I am doing fiber daily in different forms.
Both of these should be three times daily. Lecithin makes up about 80% of the bile and is responsible for the fat emulsification properties of bile. Emulsification is what keeps the cholesterol in solution rather than letting it precipitate out forming stones. Fibers are also needed to produce bile. And since women are more prone to gallstones than men you really need to be consistent with these and the bitters.
I'm still doing the other health protocols and supplements you've suggested to me over the last eight months or so as well.
Every few days is not going to do it though.
I have lost weight recently, about 30 pounds since January and I want to continue on my weight loss program.Lecithin also helps to reduce body fat. And the fiber and bitters also help.
The first part of the program was six weeks with no fat. I am thinking that's why when I began eating fats again on the second part of the program, my gallbladder had a fit about it. I will take the transition much slower next round. I will be starting back to the no fat portion of the program in two weeks. [I know you don't approve of 'extreme' weight loss measures but I feel this is good for me and the weight is dropping!]
So taking bitters at every meal will trigger the gallbladder to release bile, yes?Yes, along with stomach acid and digestive enzymes. They also help to cleanse the liver and flush fat out of the body.
Is the purpose of bile only to break down fat in the diet?Yes, and to aid absorption of fats and prevent gallstone formation.
If so, I won't need the bitters on the no fat portion of my program, correct?Since the bitters also raise stomach acidity and digestive enzymes they are still good. The cleansing action will also help with the fat reduction.
Is the liver secreting cholesterol into the gallbladder and normal thing?Yes, but if more is secreted than the bile can dissolve then the excess cholesterol will precipitate out forming stones.
What is the purpose of that?The bile acids are synthesized from cholesterol.
If it is not normal, can it be corrected and if so, how?
It is normal, but as the cholesterol is excreted in the bile in to the intestines most of the cholesterol is reabsorbed. This is where the sterols come in. The sterols from plants and various oils such as olive oil bind tightly to the cholesterol preventing it from being reabsorbed. Instead it is excreted with the feces.
Can gallstones, if there are any, be dissolved or eliminated other than with flushes?Yes, but definitely not with the flushes:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1534176#i
You need to increase your bile production to dissolve the stones. So back to the bitters, lecithin and fibers. The bitters will also help with the hormones, which are also major contributors to gallstone formation. Small amounts of oil with each meal will help keep the gallbladder contracting on a regular basis to keep the bile from becoming stagnant.
I've heard epson salts or bile salts help relax and open the ducts?
Magnesium is a calcium channel blocker so it does help relax muscle including the smooth muscle of the bile ducts. Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. But dilating the bile ducts does not ensure stones can be passed.
What ongoing things can one do to keep the gallbladder healthy and functioning properly?Basically what I have already recommended. Bitters, lecithin, fiber, small amounts of oils with meals and balance the hormones.
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