Uny, can you give me some advice for how much St. John's Worth tincture to take while weaning off Zoloft? I think you did already, but I can't remember what you suggested. 8-/
I was taking 150mg Zoloft (generic sertraline actually). Have been taking about 125 now for a week & a half (taking one tablet & 1/4 tab), with 2 droppers of St. John's Wort twice daily... But I have no idea how much of SJW to take to offset the Z as I decrease it.
How long should I go with each decrease? 2 weeks?
Gratitude and blessings,
Bundles
I'm proud of you too Bundles.
That's me doin the happy dance for ya!
You go girl!
Willow
It's scary, wondering how my brain will handle this after 15 YEARS on Zoloft...
Congratulations on your great decision and fantastic start! EXCELLENT!
And now, an apology from Uny...because previously to you, I indicated that I was sure Zoloft/sertraline is fluoridated. But as I started typing about it just now I decided to do a double/triple check...and now I'm coming up with conflicting information all OVER the place. But it seems that I was incorrect, and Zoloft/sertraline is one of the only antidepressants that does not contain fluoride/fluorine. I'm also having difficulty confirming the true half-life of Zoloft (here's a Google search on "sertraline + half life" if you care to have at it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yhp6x3n)
There is one MAJOR thing to always keep at the top your thought-list, and that's this - whether fluoridated or not, antidepressants fundamentally 'control' our emotional responses. They force an unnatural action in the body/brain chemicals, and hence when we start to withdraw from them, the actions that we've been accustomed to (and have accepted and believed to be "us") are going to be altered. But this DOES NOT INDICATE a "need" to stay on the drug! What in means is that our emotions have been shoved into an EXTREMELY solid box for years, and every time you alter the dose the shape of the box changes or a tiny whole is poked in the box...and our emotions are pulled, pushed, squished, expanded and start dripping out. So if you have some days when you feel exceeding "up" or "down", be very careful to remember, this is not yet YOU or your emotions.
I had some days when I was coming off of Prozac/Trazodone that I found myself very strangely depressed and some when I was almost psychotically un-depressed. And I found that by taking another Prozac that this totally disappeared. AHA, says I...that was NOT really ME feeling ultra-depressed or crazy-happy, it was the results of my normal emotions being let out of their chemical box after all these long years of being forced into it unnaturally.
Suggestions - I agree with the B vitamin thing, but it just so happened that I didn't pay any attention to this at all when I was withdrawing. I was having Superfood (original) every day, but that was all the focus I gave to my diet. (We were in the 'learning & growing stage' then, and our only diet considerations were to TOTALLY eliminate any & everything that was "toxic") I had done a 10 day colon cleanse, and maybe a liver flush or two...I don't remember. Be SURE to avoid any & all toxins...especially MSG (and all it's 'hidden' names: http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html) and all synthetic 'sweeteners', particularly aspartame & splenda. And of course, no white sugar, flour or tap water (hence no bottled drinks containing tap water).
The one "supplement" I did take (and continue to take daily) is Fish Oil. Whatever brand/type you choose to use (or are using already), be sure to get 800-1000mg of EPA daily and 400-500mg of DHA, and be sure it doesn't contain any GM soy (which is VERY common).
St. John's Wort - I didn't have it when I was weaning off the chemicals, but I do use it occasionally whenever I "feel the need". (I was simply flabberghasted when I made the first batch and gave it my standard "one week test" - at the end of a few days, Rick and I were discussing something seriously stressful & negative, and in the middle of the conversation I stopped and said..."what's going on here? we should be be ready to explode and we're sailing through this like we're on Prozac or something......wow, do you think it's the St. John's Wort?"
Yes indeedy, the high-quality tincture really does have a very positive effect (even though when coming off drug that has 'boxed in' your emotions for well over a decade, it's not likely you'll notice it's effect as 'clearly' as we did.
St. John's Wort has a unique benefit because it induces the liver's CYP P450 enzyme system...which basically means that it causes the liver to neutralize poisons more quickly (lowering the blood/plasma level of the poison). And since your liver knows Zoloft is a poison, it's possible the SJW is already lowering your blood levels of Zoloft (it's also possible that SJW doesn't have this effect on Zoloft, but it's very difficult to find the truth).
Either way, I suggest you take at 8 droppersful daily (preferably spread out through the day), and cut your doses as slowly & steadily as is comfortable for you. But if you're doing good with less, then less is fine.
How much to cut at one time: My dosage before I stopped was 40mg Prozac daily, and almost always I had 40 mg pills (they didn't want to give me 20mg pills for some reason) and that made things a bit more difficult. But since Prozac (like Zoloft) has a very long half-life (and I was NEVER what a doctor would call a "compliant patient", I already knew I could miss a day - or even two- before I noticed any major effect, I just had to 'double up' if I started feeling depressed). So, I started by skipping one day a week completely, and that was a breeze. Then I skipped two days a week, and I didn't feel comfortable with that during the second week (which may have been a throwback to the first week, since the halflife is so long). Anyway, what I ended up doing after a few weeks of playing around, was this - never take any on Sunday, and one week take it for six days, and the next for five days. Then I went to 5 & 4, then 4 & 3, and so on. Somewhere in there I just totally lost track of what I was doing, and only took one when I could really tell it was bothering me. And I'd find myself going for 4 days without, then 5, then one day I looked at the bottle and the calender and realized I hadn't had any for two weeks! WOOHOO!!! And I took one of those capsules out of the bottle and put it in a tiny lil' 'makeup mirror' I have on my desk where I keep my wedding ring when I'm not wearing it (so I can see it always)...and to do this day, that Prozac sits there and brings me a major 'victory smile' whenever I see it (which is a zillion times a day). And I think/thought - HAH! For 15 years of my life I was totally convinced I had a genetic disease and that I'd been on it so long it had permanently altered my brain chemistry...but some fish oil, some Superfood, a colon cleanse and ditching the poisons out of my food...and WALLAH - there was NOTHING wrong with my brain at ALL! They lied, they lied, they LIED! And I'm going to do everything I can to make sure no one else EVER has to 'get their personality out of a bottle' and suffer the side-effects and desperation of being on these insidious chemicals. So there PTB, put THAT in your smoke & pipe it!!
Methinks the most important thing to remember is that it's going to take at least a couple of months after you're totally off to have ANY idea what "truly normal" really is...so don't despair that "your depression is coming back", because your body now is NOTHING like your body was when you needed to start it. And any effects you feel while coming off likely has TONS more to do with your emotions being let out of the chemical box and finding their own normal level, than it has to do with anything else.
You be doing GOOD things! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE!
Blessings aplenty -
Uny
Thank you Uny!... I started on 100mg yesterday (one tablet).
I occasionally feel a mild brain zap (that awful sensation you get in your head if you cold turkey off zoloft, or taper off it too fast). I wonder if it's the SJW "detoxifying"? Because I normally don't feel the zaps unless I forget to take Z 2 days in a row.
Anyway thanks for the great info & for relating your experience.
[Miss H, thank YOU, too!]
By the way, I love the flavor of the St John's Wort tincture! I add it to water and it makes a delicious "tea"
-B