I have no doubt that prolonged hypoxia can cause DNA changes - as can a great many things, such as prolonged exposure to toxins, prolonged inflammation and perhaps even prolonged stress. And DNA changes can lead to cellular changes, which can lead to cancer.
It has been hypothesized that prolonged cellular hypoxia is the primary cause of cancer, though the consensus of opinion is that cellular hypoxia normally arises at the site of tumors, as opposed to being a primary cause of the tumors and being present in advance of the occurence of cancer. So we again return to the "chicken versus the egg" question of which normally comes first - cancer or hypoxia. No doubt prolonged cellular hypoxia could lead to cancer, but I don't think that is the case in all cancers at all and is usually a secondary effect which is a result of other causes, primarily prolonged inflammation and exposure to toxins.
The hypoxia hypothesis as a primary cause of cancer would also seem to be contradicted by the fact that peoples who live at the highest elevations and have less cellular oxygen even after adaptation tend to have much less incidence of overall cancer (the most common cancer is skin cancer, which is no doubt due to increased penetration of the harmful sunlight rays at higher altitudes). Of course, the diet and lifestyle of such peoples also tends to avoid conditions that lead to cellular hypoxia (such as consumption of harmful processed fats). They also have less exposure to pollution and toxins.
Thanks for the post!
DQ
True, people do adapt over time to lower oxygen levels at high altitude. Children born at high altitude develop to maximise their oxygen efficiency. The typically grow to smaller stature, with a much larger heart, and their cells contain more mitochondria. Blood vessel proliferation is notable, and is linked to expression of genes that are sensitive to cellular oxygen levels.
Adaption to higher altitude also causes different gentic responses and genes are believed to be involved in the reduced pulmonary vasoconstriction response to hypoxia found in Tibetan natives . Individuals who possess this blunted response have been found to have higher than normal NO levels in their lungs, despite the low oxygen levels. NO is associated with reduced pulmonary hypertension, and it is believed that populations adapted to life at very high altitude have an altered form of an NO synthase enzyme which is more efficient.
I would however, point out that Tibetans consume fairly substantial amounts of animal protein and grains as well as dairy products. Perhaps it is what we do to those items in Western civilization that causes the acidosis.
DQ
We are rehashing an old argument here (as you and I have been known to do ). I am not saying that lack of cellular oxygen cannot cause cancer in and of itself, but rather that lack of cellular oxygen is part of a pleomorphic progression in the formation of cancer which normally begins with prolonged inflammation due to exposure to carcinogens and other toxins and causes of irritation. At any rate, we agree that endeavoring to keep your cells properly oxygenated will prevent cancer, so no matter where we place lack of cellular oxygen in the cause and effect progression, the solution is the same.
It is nice, and a bit unusual, to be able to disagree on something here and both sides be right where it really counts.
How is the weather in your neck of the woods? It is butt cold here! Our yankee friends might laugh at us, but temperatures in the 20's are cold to us southern sun lovers. I have the fireplace blazing!
All the best,
DQ
though the consensus of opinion is that cellular hypoxia normally arises at the site of tumors,
I don't see the connection here DQ ! If its a tumor its old cancerous cells!
Not all tumors are malignant. A wart is tumor, but it is benign. So are keloids, lipomas.......
This does not account for the morphing event that turns normal young aerobic cells into anaerobic cancerous cells! Cancerous cells by their very makeup prove its the lack of oxygen that created it!
No it does not. Cancer is not caused from hypoxia. The most common cause of cancer is viruses. Other pathogens have also been implicated, but to a much lesser extent. If hypoxia caused cancer then why don't all COPD patients have cancer? Why don't endurance athletes who are in hypoxic states for extended periods of time all have cancer? Why doesn't increasing oxygen levels, such as through hyperbaric oxygen cure cancer? There is a simple answer to all these questions. Hypoxia DOES NOT cause cancer.
The problem is that Otto Warburg has been misquoted so many times that the misconception of a lack of oxygen causing cancer has become a standard mantra in the alternative community. What Warburg really stated was that cancer uses fermentation as a measn of energy production REGARDLESS of whether oxygen is present. It is the same as active yeast that ferments regardless if oxygen is provided.
There is still however, a hypothesis that long-term hypoxia of cells in the body, measured in years, is the primary trigger for cancer................
And again if this were true then all COPD patients would have cancer. Yet this is not the case.
What has been shown to cause cancer over and over and over and over....... are pathogens, especially viruses. Healthy cells can be made cancerous by infection with these viruses even when no hypoxia is present.
There is still however, a hypothesis that long-term hypoxia of cells in the body, measured in years, is the primary trigger for cancer................
Here are a few links discussing the link of viruses to the resultant glycolysis by cancer cells. This includes the first cancer virus ever discovered, the Rous Sarcoma Virus discovered back around 1910.
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/8/1611
Chemistry Branch, National Cancer Institute, and Laboratory of General and Comparative Biochemistry, National Institute of Mental Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20014
Glycolysis has been evaluated in situ in chick embryo cell cultures transformed with Rous sarcoma virus. No characteristic difference in lactic acid production was observed between normal and transformed cultures in a state of optimal growth. Under certain conditions chosen to limit cell multiplication, glycolysis declined commensurate with growth rate in both control and transformed cultures. However, cultures infected with Rous sarcoma virus were less inhibited in this respect than their uninfected counterparts. Thus, transformed cells showed a differential increase (i.e., less inhibition) in rates of lactate production and protein accretion under conditions of contact inhibition, serum depletion, thymidine block, and culture in liquid suspension medium. These differences were generally evident within two days of viral infection. It was concluded that transformation of chick embryo cells by Rous sarcoma virus enhanced their capacity for growth and that augmentedglycolytic rates appeared only as this differential growth potential was expressed.
http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/9/5/824.pdf
Well Hvergertthi I see redundancy is your specialty! You keep repeating these same old mantras that prove absolutely nothing except your support for the mainstream belief that can only make the pharmaceutical industry richer and more powerful!
And I see you are still here to lie and disrupt even though your master no longer posts here.
Yes Warburg is often misquoted and distorted after having 30 years of his work hidden from the public and stashed away on Rockefeller's shelf.
LOL!!! Warburg's work has not been hidden. You can easily find his work and what he really said, which was that cancer cells ferment REGARDLESS of whether oxygen is present. That is not a hard concept to grasp. But the feat peddlers keep coming up with this FALSE claim that Warburg claimed that cancer is caused from a lack of oxygen.
Much harm has been and will be caused by your theory Hv as the HPV vaccines are at this moment causing great havoc in young women!
So you must be pro-HPV vaccination even though it has harmed and killed numerous women. I have been very vocal about being against these and other vaccines since they have not been proven to work, nor safe. So who is really promoting the big pharma agenda here Justin?
What you don't know about Warburg would fill a book HV!
I have that book. It is so small though that I have to use my microscope to see it.
Try getting your nose out of government /pharmaceutical journals and use the internet for what it is best utilized for like debunking the lies of the establishment medical industry in this case!
The internet is full of lies and misconceptions. Just look at the Moreless forum for a long list of examples.
Warburg's student/assistant himself Dr. Carl Reich was there when the Rockefeller foundation confiscated Warburgs work and denied him or anyone else access to it!
Maybe you ought to attend the Warburg Institute where you can use their library so I don't have to keep disproving your false claims:
Ironic how your response was a perfect example of the false information on the internet.