Hi Uny, Howdy Whitebeach!
Don't know if you are around or not but have a question(s). I'm here now...with a few answers/thoughts.
A quick update: Did a full flush last night, my 2nd, same results, woke at 1am feeling very sick, didn't throw up but spent a considerable amount of time on the bathroom floor. Yes I felt that bad. Great! (you did another flush) Not so great (that you felt so bad that the bathroom floor felt good). But that is very typical in the first stages of liver flushing/cleansing. I always recommend ingesting 2T of ginger root juice with the oil/citrus potion, and taking some form of ginger root to bed (for later nausea).
Today got about 60 green peas,some bigger some smaller, what are they soap stones? They were soft and looked and felt like partially cooked peas. GREAT! WOOHOO! Those are what we non-naysayers know as gallbladder & intrahepatic stones. The nay-sayers swear they are made of olive oil, citrus & digestive juices...but even a 3rd grader's logic is strong enough to deduce that's not the case. The same type 'peas' are released by many from doing a CE (no oil) or Epsom Salts (no oil) or the various non-oil type cleanses (eggs/lecithin)...so that pretty much stuffs a sock in the "the stones are made of olive oil theory". Check out the images here to see what other CZers have released after a liver flush: http://curezone.com/ig/f.asp?f=12 and here: http://curezone.com/ig/f.asp?f=13
Most folks find that the ones that look similar in color/shape to peas (cooked or uncooked) are most likely to be stones from the gallbladder (and the ones we see in the first few flushes). That makes sense, as the gallbladder & bile would work similar to a 'rock tumbler' on the various shaped stones that come from the liver, rounding off the edges and causing them to be more rounded/spherical. If this is the case, then you're making headway 'right on schedule'....first we get out the debris from the gallbladder, then we start seeing the debris from the liver (as it's pushed closer and closer to the 'exit door' with each subsequent flush). 60 peas is a good sized yield - good for you!
The whole day I have felt, weird, light headed, very spaced out, nausea, weak, in other words like I was feeling a few weeks ago, which you and Willow identified as Benzo withdrawal. If this is the case what can I do about it? This is very typical after a liver flush (particularly with your history, and the likelihood of your liver being extremely compromised and impacted with stones & debris). It's stressful for the body to process that amount of oil, which accounts for the weakness...the light-headed/weird/spaced out and nausea are typically chalked up to the release of various toxins & stale bile (and pharmaceutical/chemical "residuals"). It is VERY common to experience all kinds of various weakness, nausea & digestive disturbance when cleansing the liver. What can you do to lessen the 'side-effects' of liver flushing?
Before flushing:
--make sure your body has ample fuel & nutrients (extra Superfood, more juices, etc).
--the Liver Detox/Digestion Tea is wonderful for soothing the digestive tract
--make sure you're doing everything you can to increase bile flow, loosen debris and soften stones -
----1 CE daily (minimum)
----Drink ample amount of apple juice/cider (or Apple Cider Vinegar) for the malic acid to soften stones for a week before the flush. Typically, one gallon of 'apple juice/cider' spread out over the week, or 1 tablespoon of ACV 3x daily) is recommended.
----Nightly castor oil packs on the liver
----Foot Reflexology (dig DEEP into the liver/gallbladder points): Reflexology foot map - Dorling Kindersley
----Dr. Schulzes 5 Day Liver Cleanse (fantastic!)
----If not doing Schulzes 5 Day Cleanse, then 3-5 cloves of raw garlic daily in order to kill flukes (this is imperative for you, since you're still seeking flukes/pieces)
During/after flush:
--many folks have the nausea a couple of hours after ingesting the oil/citrus potion. Interestingly, the liver has released all the bile it's going to release within about 1/2 hour from the time we ingest the oil/citrus. Some get relief from ginger; others from having some juice; for others, nothing much seems to do the trick. I'm beginning to understand this may be the part of the flush where the debris is actually being pushed from the liver/gallbladder, and the nausea may be coming from the obstruction. If that's the case, working the liver/gallbladder points (foot reflexology) would be very helpful, more ginger (anti-nausea & cholagogue -- which increases the flow of bile)...or, if one is already awake and laying on the floor, a quick/small coffee enema just might do the trick (I always advise to have one brewed & ready for the morning after a flush, so 'might as well do something that might be helpful, as lay on the floor and suffer through it). Also, peppermint is very relieving for 'liver flush nausea' (some folks swear by it). Dr. Kelley recommended Alka-Seltzer Gold.
I wanted to do the liver flush as it is the about the only thing I am not doing. Really truly? This is not to 'beat you up' (and I'm certainly not angry), but unless you're doing a LOT more than you've been reporting, you're a LONG way from that underlined sentence!
As of 10/30 - 10/31 you'd reported doing ??? liver flushes ('sorry, don't have time to read through all your past posts), you were doing a CE every other day; taking Liver tincture (which should have run out a long time ago); 'still haven't heard anything about taking IF#2 (which should be taken 5x daily to adsorb the myriad of toxins you're releasing that make you feel sick AND stress the liver); nothing about castor oil packs, nothing about foot reflexology, 'can't tell if you're still hitting the garlic or not, 'don't know if you're juice fasting or just having an occasional glass of juice (nor do I know about your typical daily diet).... I realize you had a "delay interlude" with the benzo/valium deal, but other than that flushing every two weeks would be the bare minimum (I've suggested in the past flushing weekly, and I know you must have read the same on Doc Sutter's forum) - so if you're not already, be sure to be doing a flush every two weeks - a CE daily - add foot reflexology (if you hadn't heard about it or aren't doing it already) - juice fasting is your BEST FRIEND now, and IF#2 would make you feel SO much better in SO many ways. (Yes, I realize it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the liver - but the liver IS stressed by all the toxins it's releasing because they're reabsorbed into the bloodstream very quickly AND if you're taking IF#1 without IF#2 you're stirring up and releasing VAST amounts of toxins that are being assimilated into the bloodstream - yet another liver stresser).
'Sounds to me like you obviously still have a lot of flukes clogging up the works and that in the next few flushes you'll 'break through' and be seeing a lot of liver stones & debris. I realize this likely seems like "OH so much for OH so long", but we were all incredibly dedicated at trashing our liver for a very long time (and most of us did it with gusto, consistently). It's a miracle that we can undo it at all...that it takes only months to undo decades worth of damage is a true blessing.
Now that you seem to be over the benzo issues, the 'time it takes' is totally up to you...work faster & more aggressively = feel better & get results sooner; work slower with less dedication = feel better & get results very slowly. You're the only one that can decide which pathway to take.
But am not sure if getting a collection of green peas is worth it. They certainly didn't look like gallstones. lol, I didn't know you were doing gallbladder dissections in your laboratory, Dr. Frankenstein! :::grin::: This first image sure looks like peas to me! http://curezone.com/ig/f.asp?f=133 I also did a coffee enema today and got very little of anything, a couple of peas and minor pieces of flukes(?). If you want to use CEs in place of liver flushing (like Gerson did for his patients), he had people doing 4-5 CE's daily (something I do not recommend without strict adherance to all aspects of the body/healing protocol...like the full IP. And then, only with care & caution). Basically, CE's are not a substitute for liver flushing - and we shouldn't expect to "see" much from them. That you have seen a lot of debris from your initial CE's indicates how desperately compromised & congested your liver truly is (imho).
'Sounds to me like you are progressing pretty much as everyone else I've assisted or read of - like I mentioned, it's up to you at this point how fast the results happen.
Hope you and Rocky are well. Thank you kindly :)
Whitebeach
Feed the WARRIOR! :)
Unyquity
(I'm on my way to reply to your newest posts now - I have NOT proofread this post)
Thank you for your response. You do inspire me! 'Glad to hear it :)
I am trying my best, which I know is not as good as it could be. Doing our best is the most any of us can ever do - only you (certainly NOT me) know if you're doing your best or not. I have lost a lot of weight and I was never over weight in the beginning so only juicing endlessly is a little scary. 'Just another bit of brainwashing to examine & discard. You're getting the pure 'gold ore nutrition' from 10-15 pounds of produce when juicing a gallon of juice daily (the only thing you're not getting is the fiber, which is nutritionless -- which is why our body expels it). If someone told you to eat 15 pounds of produce daily, I doubt you'd feel it was 'scary' as far as nutrition is concerned. I am also aware of my chronic fatigue which is quite frightening when it rears its head and if I get too weak I am bedbound.I actually feel like it is being stired up (or the virus responsible?). I understand (as much as I can that's never experienced it). More juice/Superfood means more healing energy to your body :::grin::: While I do understand "quite frightening", I also understand we're dealing with foods, juices, natural herbs and very effective, natural healing modalities - for every 'degree' of fear you feel, counter it with another degree of 'something healing' (and methinks it's time you learn and start using EFT if you haven't already. Here's the home page: http://emofree.com/ ...and here's one of the best instruction videos on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-VDOGqmd4 you can 'tap' MUCH faster than this video, but 'slow' is good for learning). Btw, this is an assignment - you won't believe how much you can help your body & emotions with this tool!
Virus? I don't recall hearing about any steenking virus...if you've been having the raw garlic daily, it's likely 'whatever virus' is gone or seriously weakened/diminished. Echinacea is your friend a zillion different ways :)
The nausea and light headedness I'm not sure if it is toxin release or Benzo thing. see below.
I will go back on the F#2, you're right I haven't been doing it, sorry. Silly, I'm not your "doctor god", you don't ever need to apologize to me for what you do & don't do! You may want to apologize to your body, though :) I am still on the tinctures but have a herbalist mixing it here. The expense of shipping from the US is prohibitive and I always end up ordering more than I should trying to take advantage of the shipping cost grrrr. I completely understand "$$ & prohibitive", just be sure you're getting high quality organic herbs/tinctures. (on the other hand I also understand about folks not willing to prioritize 'healthily'...I've counseled a LOT of people sitting atop full jewelry boxes, late model car/s, wide screen tvs, spending hundreds monthly for "necessities"(that are about as necessary to life as my faded/baggie sweatpants are to good sex (lol)....that think a few hundred dollars monthly is outside their budget for healing their body. The doctors/hospitals, nursing homes & undertakers love them). 'Not saying that's you - I just needed to get that in print.
The last flush I drank one glass of epsom salts at 8pm, maybe that made my night worse. I just keep reading about the ability and necessity of ES to open the bilary tubes etc. Two days after the flush I still feel sick.
So now you tell me you took ES?? :::shaking head & smiling::: lol. With the benzo issue on the back-burner, I likely wouldn't have done that. Your GABA receptors have already shown they were quite damaged by the benzos (the shaking/tremors); I don't know exactly 'how or why', but my doctor within feels like ES could trigger/worsen any symptoms of benzo withdrawal.
To recap: Epsom Salts (magnesium sulfate/sulphate) has been used safely & effectively by tens/hundreds of thousands of people for various purposes for decades. ES has a myriad of uses (most could be eliminated or replaced with a natural plant form of magnesium). All substances (particularly those in an unnatural form) have the potential for harm...and even though ES is generally considered safe, it does have potential for harm. It's 'relaxing' qualities can lower blood pressure (sometimes significantly or dangerously...which may have accounted for your dizzy/light-headedness); they flood the intestinal tract with water from the bloodstream, which alters the balance of electrolytes and can cause various levels of dehydration. Since all forms of magnesium are primarily excreted by the kidneys, it is commonly advised for those with known kidney issues to avoid magnesium supplements & Epsom Salts. Many people are HIGHLY reactive to Epsom Salts (I am one of them). Even though I never experience a 'lay on the bathroom floor' level of nausea, I always feel queasier and "urpier" if I use ES when liver flushing. They can be very stressful on the kidneys when we're already compromised, and virtually always cause some level of electrolyte imbalance (I also become very clumsy and very "stupid" when using them internally). It takes me one full day to recover from using ES (at the minimum)...in your more compromised state, I could easily surmise you'd still be feeling the effects the second day.
Here's one of many 'forum testimonies' of flushing without using Epsom Salts: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1509432
>>>I just keep reading about the ability and neccessity of ES to open the bilary tubes etc <<< I understand completely....I really do. But what are the source/s of your reading? Dr. Sutter's Coke Flush doesn't use ES (and there's never been a speck of valid research presented that it relaxes or softens the biliary ducts); 6 of the 11 "liver flush recipes" on the Liver Flush Forum do not use Epsom Salts. (make that 8 of 11 if one includes Dr. Sutter's Coke Flush and Dr. Schulzes big flush). There's really nothing I can say other than Dr. Schulze successfully flushed thousands of livers (with the 5 Day Cleanse and the 'big' liver flush), never used ES, and never had anyone get a stone stuck. Well, yes, there is something else I can say...and that is: this whole 'stone stuck' thing is approaching ridiculousness. If we didn't normally pass these stones successfully without ES, our gallbladders and livers would have exploded decades ago. There's a risk factor for everything (even breathing & walking down the street); over 100,000 people DIE yearly in the US from using pharmaceuticals 'as prescribed'; allopathic medicine in general is the 3rd leading cause of DEATH in the US. NSAIDS & aspirin = 16,500 deaths:
"Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone." (Singh Gurkirpal, MD, “Recent Considerations in Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug Gastropathy”, The American Journal of Medicine, July 27, 1998, p. 31S) http://www.naturalnews.com/027548_swine_flu_vaccines_death_risk.html
Deaths from getting a 'stone stuck' while liver flushing? ZERO. How do I know for sure there's been "zero deaths"? I think it's a fairly safe assumption that if someone had died, it would have made the world news headlines! Lives saved from liver flushing? Countless. Actual complications from getting a stone TRULY "stuck" during liver flushing? A handful on CZ (and interestingly, all that I have read/found used Epsom Salts). I doubt that ANY of them knew or had educated themselves as to what to do if they actually had a stone become stuck in the common hepatic duct:
http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=15408
'Tis very probably that if the handful of people in CZ history that actually had a 'stuck stone' would have known what to do, they wouldn't have had any trouble at all.
Below is what Dr. Schulze recommends in the case of a gallbladder attack (which is exactly what we'd do if we got a "stone stuck"...which is basically what most "gallbladder attacks" actually are - gallstones moving out of the gallbladder that get stuck on the way out)
http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/lg-ap.asp
For severe gallbladder attacks, do immediate liver/gallbladder flush as follows: 2-3 tablespoons olive oil blended with 2-3 cloves of garlic and a big chunk of ginger. Swallow.
Fifteen minutes later, take 2 cups of DeTox Tea (formula to follow) or use grated ginger root tea or mint tea. If no results, repeat in an hour from first olive oil dose. You can repeat this every hour until the pain subsides. Dr. Schulze has never had a patient do this more than twice for total pain relief, even when patients were doubled over in tears. No patient ever needed emergency surgery after doing this.
Right after flush, you can put an ice bag on the liver, just below right rib cage. Do this for ten minutes on, then hot water bottle for ten minutes, then do ice bag again. If person hasn't pooped recently, give an enema to relieve any pressure from the colon.
Repeat liver flush next morning. Then repeat every morning for a week to heal the liver.
In a gall bladder attack, remember to work the bottom of the feet hard, for it will help spasms to let go. Dig in and search for painful points. Work the entire bottom of the foot, as much as the person can tolerate.
Also, in a liver emergency, a person can always add a castor oil pack. Soak a piece of wool or cotton flannel in warm castor oil and place over the liver. Cover with plastic to keep in the castor oil, and place a heating pad over the castor oil to drive the castor oil into the body through the skin. The castor oil acts like a transdermal patch to purify the liver.
Daily castor oil packs along with milk thistle tea (6 to 10 cups/day) can also help drive down dangerously-high cholesterol, since the liver is where cholesterol is processed.
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What is typically recommended in the case of a gallbladder attack/stuck stone is to take a tablespoon of ES mixed in water. A coffee enema is also very effective (or both, or a CE with 1-2 Tablespoons of ES added to the solution)...but since Dr. Schulze didn't understand the action of CE's and didn't utilize unnatural substances, we won't see those options from him.
If I did the 5 day liver cleanse would it be too much then to do a big flush?
Doing a 5 Day liver cleanse and following it with a big flush on the 6th day is what I've recommended since this forum opened :)
The half a cup of olive oil really does not agree with me. I don't know of anyone's body that does agree with ingesting 1/2 cup of olive oil, lol.
My digestion is not good at the best of times. One of the main reasons that your 'digestion is not good at the best of times' is BECAUSE your liver is clogged & compromised...so working the area that you're rehabilitating and healing 'pains you' temporarily.
Having said that, today I had a very productive CE. No stones but lots of stuff, still small bits of flukes etc. Great! So you're liver is still full of flukes. I sure hope you're doing at least one CE daily and lots of garlic. You've got to kill those suc***s (literally) and get them out!
Thanks again Uny. You're welcome (I'll be answering your latest posts in the next hour or two). Healthiest of blessings - Uny