I've been reading on the website from this nutritionist also that candida proliferates when the bowels are too alkaline. (http://drlwilson.com//Articles/candida.htm)
Personnally I take everything I hear now from this website or other places with a grain of salt. Everyone is in the dark when it comes to candida except for maybe doctors and health practitioners who specialize in candida. And apart from Polly (from healthyawareness...) no one seems knowledgeable enough on these forums.
No one is a doctor here is it? Even doctors are puzzled by candida. Candida is a multifaceted sickness and I think every individual has a unique constitution and specific causes for their candida. There are general guidelines, like intestinal flora, immunity etc. but when it comes to cases like yours and mine, it is much much more complicated and many factors are involved.
Actually there is a lot known about Candida, including how pH affects Candida. I posted on this before, which includes references from medical abstracts:
There is a very persistent myth that Candida albicans cannot survive a high (alkaline) pH. The fact is that C. albicans can survive very acid to extremely alkaline pH. The primary difference is the form it takes on dependent on the pH. At a low (acidic) pH C. albicans remains in a less pathogenic yeast form, and its growth is inhibited. When C. albicans is exposed to a high (alkaline) pH it promotes the formation of its hyphal growth. This hyphal growth allows C. albicans to not only become pathogenic, but also to allow it to invade deep in to tissues and to promote organ damage. This hyphal growth is inhibited at an acidic pH of 4 or below reducing tissue invasion and damage. I have compiled some research from non-commercial sites to prove these facts. The growth of C. albicans in an alkaline environment, as well as an acidic environment in a pH range of 2 to 10:
http://ec.asm.org/cgi/content/full/5/9/1550
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=232444
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15189995?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSyst...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10629054?ordinalpos=11&itool=EntrezSys...
http://www.springerlink.com/content/06crgmq4x3nj2820/
"In vitro, C. albicans can thrive over a remarkably wide range of extracellular pH, at pH values of 2-10 (Odds 1988)". They also point out that alkalinity promotes hyphal growth of C. albicans.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j5v6h012235h3576/
"Upon response to environmental stimuli C. albicans can switch between yeast-like and filamentous, hyphal growth. This allows C. albicans to generate niche specific responses, form biofilms, adhere, and invade epithelial tissues. "
It is this switch to the hyphal growth, from alkalinity, that allows C. albicans to become pathogenic by more readily invading tissues:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=97632
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(06)00252-1
Hyphal growth has been shown to be inhibited at the acidic pH of 4 in all strains of C. albicans showing that an acidic pH helps to prevent C. albicans from being pathogenic. An alkaline pH on the other hand promotes pathnogenesis of C. albicans as it promotes hyphal growth. The article from the following link points out what I have been trying to explain to people for decades. Stomach acid helps to control pathogen growth, including Candida. The same applies to the skin, which is normally slightly on the acidic side. When the pH is raised to the alkaline side candidiasis of the skin is promoted.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1770313
"In tissue samples from mucosal surfaces with a non-acidic pH, such as the tongue, oesophagus, intestine, and most skin areas, filamentous forms of C albicans predominated, and most of them exhibited both 1H4 immunostaining and an invasive phenotype (fig 3A ). In internal organs having a non-acidic pH (liver, lung, heart, and thyroid) from patients with systemic candidiasis, variable numbers of yeast cells were found, together with hyphae or pseudohyphae in virtually all cases. In these tissues, both yeast and filamentous forms showed strong 1H4 immunoreactivity (fig 3B , C). In contrast, in those tissues with an acidic pH, such as the stomach and collecting ducts of the kidney, the predominant form of C albicans was the blastospore (yeast). Interestingly, in these locations yeast cells essentially showed no 1H4 immunoreactivity (fig 3D , E). However, when adjacent tissue invasion was present, hyphae or pseudohyphae were the predominant form."
"The ability to undergo transition from the yeast to the hyphal form appears to be crucial in the pathogenesis of invasive candidiasis. 4– 6 Both yeast cells and hyphae are found in infected tissues and contribute to pathogenesis. Yeast cells are better suited for rapid haematogenous dissemination, but together with hyphal elements they are also capable of breaching epithelial and endothelial barriers to cause extensive organ damage. 4 During the infectious process, yeast cells and hyphae may encounter different microenvironments within the host. At acidic pH, C albicans grows mostly in the yeast form; at an alkaline pH, it grows primarily in the filamentous form. 2, 6, 7 Gastric acid provides an effective barrier to most microorganisms (normal gastric pH values are 1–3.5). In contrast, achlorhydria and the use of H2 antagonists, which raise gastric pH, have been found to be associated with a higher proportion of invasive gastric candidiasis. 17 Similarly, although the skin is relatively inhospitable to fungal growth, 18 the experimental increase of skin surface pH yields more pronounced cutaneous candidiasis in human volunteers. 19"
Are you saying alkalizing (for example, ala Moreless) is NOT helpful for candida, if one is overly acidic? And, why does my cnadida seem to want to make a return appearance when I feel overly acidic? I thought it was necessary to keep the stomach/gut acidic, but the rest of the body should be kept more alkaline. Do you disagree with that?
The body RARELY ever goes acidic. The acidity causing disease claims is really a myth. The body cannot survive if it becomes too acidic, or too alkaline. In fact a pH higher than 7.8 or lower than 6.8 will kill a person. This is why the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its narrow pH it can survive in. For example, breathing adjusts pH. If the body starts to get acidic our repiration increases to blow off CO2, which reduces carbonic acid, and the oxygen reduces acidic lactate. If the body starts to become too alkaline the respiration slows down to retain CO2, increasing carbonic acid. The body also generates bicarbonate to deal with acidity, can excrete hydrogen ions, carbonic acid or bicarbonate out through the urine or retain them to adjust pH. The body also uses phosphates and hemoglobin as buffers, and in severe cases can pull minerals from the bones as a buffer against acidity. Our pH is also regulated by proteins that can either bond or release hydrogen ions in response to pH imbalances. Here are some references for you:
http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869R/CHEM869RLinks/www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lect...
http://www.chemistry.wustl.edu/~edudev/LabTutorials/Buffer/Buffer.html
This is why we rarely see acidiosis (overly acidic blood) or alkalosis (overly alkaline blood). Acute acidosis can occur with severe vomiting and diarrhea, ketoacidosis, inadequate oxygen intake or utilization (respiratory acidosis), rhabdomyolosis, kidney failure and by poisoning with certain chemicals. Acute alkalosis can occur with overconsumption of hydroxides including alkaline waters, consumption of milk with hydroxides, overuse of carbonates such as antacids or baking soda, prolonged vomiting, excessive aldosterone secretion, diuretic use and hyperventilation.
The pH of the lymphatic system is kept slightly more alkaline than the blood, so lymphatic acidosis does not occur.
Because chronic acidosis is so rare and diseases are so common even common sense should tell us that acidosis is not a cause of most diseases. Most often it is a byproduct of a disease, not a cause. So anyone who is going to claim that acidity is the cause of most or all diseases does not have a clue what they are talking about.
In fact we need a large number of acids to survive and thrive. These include hydrochloric acid, pyruvic acid, acetic acid, carbonic acid, hyaluronic acid, glucoronic acid, malic acid, lactic acid, citric acid, uric acid, fatty acids, amino acids, ascorbic acid, pantothenic acid, folic acid, etc.
And most pathogens are killed by acids and thrive in an alkaline environment. This is why the parts of the body that help protect us from pathogens are normally acidic. These include the skin, stomach, intestines and sinuses.
Candida proliferation has to be brought under control in any way; otherwise it overwhelms the systems and also short circuits the immune response that keeps it down. It cancels out the leucocytes meant to keep it in check.
80% of the immune system is comprised of the intestinal flora. The flora control Candida through the formation of lactic acid, acetic acid, and fatty acids. Candida does not inhibit this. But a lack of flora, and thus a more alkaline environment, allows the Candida to not only flourish by turning on the Candida growth gene, but also by converting Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form. Again this is why Candida is normally only found in the same areas of the body where the flora maintain an acidic environment. Candida RARELY ever goes in to the blood despite these claims.
And my question concerns Pau d'Arco. Actually, does it stop working at some point?
It is believed that Candida can build a tolerance to pau d' arco over time, which is why people often rotate the anti-fungal herbs they use.
It seems to have so many amazing properties that it could be taken continuously...
That is because people keep making the mistake of trying to kill the Candida, which is a normal part of the body. So they will NEVER kill it off completely. Why do people avoid yeast products, like bread, when dealing with Candida? Because the Candida will feed on the dead yeast from the yeast sources. The same happens when people try to kill the Candida. The surviving Candida just feeds on the dead Candida cells causing a rebound. The only way they are going to get it back under control is by restoring the areas of the body where the Candida normally resides back to an acidic state.
I never said candida was in my blood - if it were, I would be in ICU, with all the other cancer and AIDS patients.
I never said that you did say this. I was trying to make a point. I was trying to get across the fact that all areas of the body where Candida NORMALLY resides are naturally acidic to control the Candida. This does not include the blood since Candida rarely gets in to the blood. I mentioned that because this is a common misconception I hear people claiming that they have Candida in their blood, and you are not the only person reading this.
Toxins do leak out, maybe spores even, who knows. All I know, is am severely allergic to candida (and the holistic doctor who told me this is actually an allergist by training).
So you have an allergic reaction 24/7? According to what you just said this should be the case as Candida is a normal part of everyone's body.
So I become allergic to all moulds, yeast, whatever. Grains, nuts, tea leaves even all have moulds on it, and therefore, I get allergic to all these.
Allergies stem from adrenal dysfunction. To get rid of allergies the adrenals must be built up so they can produce sufficient levels of antihistamine and antileukotriene epinephrine and immune modulating and anti-inflammatory corticosteroids. Eliminating allergens alone is only a band-aid and does not address the underlying condition.
Actually last time quercetin had helped a lot.
There are several possibilities here. It could be due to the anti-inflammatory effects, or due to its cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase inhibitor (cAMPPDEI) properties, which blocks cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) breakdown. I mentioned epinephrine above, which works by increasing cAMP.
As long as candida is in overgrowth and the gut wall is damaged and leaky, I am allergic.
Leaky gut has been linked to a lack of intestinal flora. This leads to a reduction of Candida inhibiting acids causing the Candida to not only overgrow, but to overgrow in its fungal form, which has hyphae that cause the tissue damage. Candida does not cause this damage in its yeast form, since the yeast form does not have hyphae. Candida is kept in its yeast form by the acids generated by Lactobacillus bacteria in the intestines.
When the overgrowth is brought down, and other issues also resolved, then am not allergic anymore.
I really think you are confusing sensitivities with true allergies.
Candida feeding on dead yeast sounds like mythology to me. Candida grows on glucose; yeast is composed of glucose molecules.
If you are referring to the walls, yes the walls are composed of mannans, glucans, chitin and proteins. But you are overlooking a few key points. First of all there is more to Candida than a cell wall. Try researching the glucose content of Candida. Secondly the glucans in the cell wall can be broken down by the flora in to glucose units that can feed the Candida.
In any case, I can't care less about acidic/alkaline; and all form of elaborate scientific or pseudo scientific discussions. This is giving me a headache. All I want, is to get out of this bloody nightmare. And fast before it completely destroys my life.
Now I found Pau d'Arco; great. If one needs to rotate, then I need other options.
And you will keep rotating until you finally realize that you cannot kill off the Candida. The ONLY way you are going to get it back under control is to change the environment it is in so that the terrain is inhospitable to its growth. And again the research and even common sense shows us that this requires an acidic environment in the areas where Candida normally resides to keep the Candida growth suppressed and to keep the Candida in a relatively harmless yeast form.
You said you have had Candida for 15 years. Have you considered that if you have not conquered the problem in 15 years that maybe you are going about it the wrong way? I have presented plenty of evidence to you, I recommend that you actually try reading it.