OK. I keep hearing how wonderful ozone is in here and from someone who cured cancer with it. I'm 99% sold on them, but there are so many different kinds and different claims, I don't know what to believe or which one to buy when there are hundreds to choose from.
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They are far superior than the primitive screen and MICA ozone generation "plate" technology used by 95% of most ozone generator manufacturers.
Remember the ONLY way to compare ozone generators And the truth is that many sellers are simply not being honest about their ozone outputs. Square footage ratings by other manufacturers are COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS
is by the total ozone output in milligrams per hour (mg/hr).
when comparing ozone generators.
Comparing the total ozone output in milligrams per hour is the ONLY
accurate way to compare ozone generators.
Unfortunately many sellers are not giving you honest ozone outputs to their machines.
www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html
Is There Such a Thing as "Good Ozone" and "Bad Ozone"? The phrase "good up high - bad nearby" has been used by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to make the distinction between ozone in the upper and lower atmosphere. Ozone in the upper atmosphere--referred to as "stratospheric ozone"--helps filter out damaging ultraviolet radiation from the sun. Though ozone in the stratosphere is protective, ozone in the atmosphere - which is the air we breathe - can be harmful to the respiratory system. Harmful levels of ozone can be produced by the interaction of sunlight with certain chemicals emitted to the environment (e.g., automobile emissions and chemical emissions of industrial plants). These harmful concentrations of ozone in the atmosphere are often accompanied by high concentrations of other pollutants, including nitrogen dioxide, fine particles, and hydrocarbons.Whether pure or mixed with other chemicals, ozone can be harmful to health.
This is just a quick reference with links
for people who need an ozone generator.
Ozone Generators:
cheapest/best : Enaly $45/$130, Synergy $300/$680
- both are on EBay (links are given below)
(see below for the Enaly order-site link)
- both are discussed in this post
- both are extensively reviewed in CureZone
- internal links are at the end of this post
see also Longevity, Plasmafire
Terms to understand (you may need to research more on this):
A. Medical Grade =
Oxygen feed, Ozone-resistant ozone path
B. non-Medical Grade =
Ambient air feed
Use one of the above for one of the next -
methods of ozonation ~ (this is the critical consideration):
1. of water, for drinking - B or A
2. of steam, for sauna - A or B
3. of air, for insufflation - A preferred
4. for autohematology or IV injection -
A only
The best deal on a Medical Grade unit is $300 (Synergy)
[ append 11/3/06 - I have not fully verified whether
the Synergy Systems units are fully medical grade.
This will not normally be a problem except for AHT/IV,
which is rare enough, and should only be done after
obtaining professional assistance. Don't do that alone.
Without technical verification, one relies on the distributor's word.
This is true of all ozone generators. I'm still researching how to
find out personally, either by examining the components inside,
or by testing the output for impurities (generally quite expensive). ]
The best deal on a non-Medical Grade is $45 (Enaly)
The other considerations in pricing are :
i. generation method
ii. output volume and concentration
(i.) between the two Tesla-patented methods (c.1900),
Corona spark is cheapest (earliest), and is just fine.
99% of all ozonators use this method.
(There is a third method, UV, suitable only for hobbyists)
If you can afford the extra $2000 (give or take),
then the Cold Plasma method is better (get it from Plasmafire)
(ii.) volume and concentration are generally important to know
and to control: nice for steam sauna, important for insufflation,
and essential for AH or IV. For water (or oil), it's just convenient.
http://myworld.ebay.com/mygettinplace << for the Synergy models at EBay
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=743531 << by [mygettingplace], the Synergy distributor
http://www.ozone.enaly.com/ << for Enaly unit ordering (mult) @ $45, $290 (not EBay site)
http://stores.ebay.com/ENALYOZONE << purchase-point and visual listing
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=746343 << for Enaly reference w/i CureZone site
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=751792 << [rog] on Enaly-1000, for example
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=742450 << [ikota] on med-grade, etc., for example
Hope this helps.
You'll find numerous articles in this Forum
on ozonators over the last 45 days.
I may not be able to have an ozone generator shipped here! What's going on with CA?
articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/28/local/me-purifier28
The California Air Resources Board on Thursday banned popular in-home ozone air purifiers, saying studies have found that they can worsen conditions such as asthma that marketers claim they help to prevent. The regulation, which the board said is the first of its kind in the nation, will require testing and certification of all types of air purifiers. Any that emit more than a tiny amount of ozone will have to be pulled from the California market.State bans home ozone air purifiers - Air Resources Board says the regulation, which takes effect in 2009, is the first of its kind in the nation. Health risks are cited.
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There are three ways to generate ozone: Ultraviolet (UV), hot corona and cold corona. Here are the pros and cons to each:
UV- Pros: The least expensive of the units averaging around $300. They will form higer allotropes of oxygen though, known as cascading ozone or polyatomic oxygen molecules. Cons: These units mimick sunlight, which means they also form nitrogen and sulfur oxides in the presence of air, which form the corresponding acids when reacted with water. The tubes deteriorate with time reducing output, and they are very difficult to regulate their output. They ARE NOT recommended for therapy internally.
Hot corona- Pros: A mid range priced machine, averaging $500-900. These machines are stronger than UV, and more easily regulated. Cons: They also form nitrogen and sulfur oxides in the presence of air. They only form O3, which is not as strong as the higher allotropes. They are not recommended for therapy internally.
Cold corona- Pros: Can be regulated and does not form acidic precursors in the presence of air. Forms O3 and the higher allotropes. This is the type of Ozone Generator recommended by German doctors for therapy. Cons: The most expensive units and hardest to find. Average cost for these units is $1500-15,000.
One of the biggest problems with trying to find a cold corona unit is that many manufacturers selling "cold corona" units actually have hot corona units. The confusion comes from the tube design. In general a hot corona design has one dielectric between the electrodes. Cold corona tubes use two dielectrics preventing exposure of the gas to either of the electrodes. The problem is that is all based on the older pig iron high voltage transformers. With the introduction of the newer high frequency solid state transformers all of the above gets thrown out. The higher frequency drops the resistance of the dielectrics in essence converting the cold corona tube back in to a hot corona design. Manufacturers use these transformers because they are lighter, smaller and allow for wider spacing between the electrodes. So unles you know what you are looking at it is hard to tell if a "cold corona" device is really a cold corona device.
As far as building them, it is a really simple thing to do, just very tedious. It is basically two metal electrodes insulated with two pieces of glass encased in a tube with hose barbs on each end to allow passage of the oxygen. The metal electrodes are connected to a high voltage transformer (pig iron type)with a voltage of 7500-9000V 20-30ma. You can use neon transformers for this.
As for the oxygen, welding supply companies provide the tanks through either purchase or rental. All oxygen sold has to be medical grade regardless of its use under Federal law. You will have to buy a regulator though since they do not rent these. But a hose barb for the regualtor to fit your tubing for the unit. Altogether the tank, regulator and hose barb should run just under $200.
I thought the ozone generator changed the O2 to O1 from normal air in the room.
I thought the ozone generator changed the O2 to O1 from normal air in the room.
Yes, and UV and hot corona systems also generate nitrogen and sulfur oxides if air is used.
The main issue though is if using ozone internally then you need to know the ozone concentration. The only way to know the concentration is to have a known concentration of oxygen to begin with, which in this case would be 100% oxygen as opposed to the variable oxygen concentrations of air.
In short you are OK with air for external use, but not internal use. Using air for external use will just lower the overall ozone concentration due to lower oxygen levels to begin with.
So, a $200 ozone generator wouldn't be good for mold in sinus/head without the O2 tank with a regulator?
This is too complicated for me. I'll have to stick with the occasional kefir up the nose treatment.
Thanks Hv.
Good job taking the high ground with the religious nut(s). I hope we see more of you in here from now on. How much are you going to miss the drama?
So, a $200 ozone generator wouldn't be good for mold in sinus/head without the O2 tank with a regulator?
Depends on the strength of the unit. A higher output unit will generate as much ozone with air as a low output unit will put out with oxygen.
This is too complicated for me. I'll have to stick with the occasional kefir up the nose treatment.
Thanks Hv.
Good job taking the high ground with the religious nut(s). I hope we see more of you in here from now on. How much are you going to miss the drama?
Not much. Most of what he came up with was pretty entertaining except for the fact it was also very dangerous. But I have plenty of other things to get done like fixing the fridge. I did take the other night off and got that done. So one project down and a few hundred more to go
That kind of unit would be OK for ozonating water, produce and doing ear insufflation.
Does it smell like after the first rain?
When it removes smoke I assume it removes odors?
Did it kill mold or cure anything physical?
What do you mean oral cleansing, and how do you do that?
That seems like the best deal around. Thanks for all your help.
Yours sounds better than this. This is an air filter, ionizer and they don't even mention the total ozone output.
Square footage ratings by other manufacturers are COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS
when comparing ozone generators.
Comparing the total ozone output in milligrams per hour is the ONLY
accurate way to compare ozone generators.
Unfortunately many sellers are not giving you honest ozone outputs to their machines.
May I ask your opinion on this kind of unit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Air-Purifier-IONIC-Filter-OZONE-Machine-Negative-IONS_W0Q...
That is a hot corona system, which I am not fond of but that is all you are going to find for a higher output air purification unit. I have seen some UV units for air, but these are very weak compared to corona discharge and do not have adjustable outputs. I have never seen a true cold corona unit for air purification although I have seen plenty of companies claims their air purification units are cold corona when they are actually hot corona. The main difference is that hot corona devices generate acids when air is used as where cold corona does not. I have made a few prototypes for a cold corona air purification unit and they work great. So I am hoping one day to find a company with the means to have these made commercially.
As for the unit you linked they are pretty much the same as the other air purification units I have seen in concept, just shaped differently. Again cold corona would be my first choice, but since these are not available to my knowledge for air purification this kind of unit is better than nothing. The trick to using these kind of units is to keep them up high as you can. Ozone is heavier than air and will sink. You want the ozone to blow out then sink down. As it sinks the ozone will react with particles and gases in the air breaking a lot of it down before reaching face level.
I have the Enaly OZX-300AT since December 2008 and it works flawlessly. The fact that the unit includes an external Air-Dryer, makes me wonder if this can turn it into a sort of Flying Pinto!
Anyhow, the engraved words in the unit - “For a Better Life” - makes me feel optimist about it!
Ok, my last name is Pinto and I drive a convertible old Ford. It dries my bald head nicely... But I have doubts!
In fact, they state that the air dryer “equipped with filters at its air inlet and outlet, it dramatically reduces particles entering to your ozone generator and hence reduces the risk of the second pollution.”
With my finger close to the open extremity of the air dryer I can feel the air coming out of the silica beads cylinder. What puzzles me is that I would think the ambient air should be pumped IN and filtered by the silica beads. In that case, shouldn’t the ambient air be pumped in instead of out?
Filters and air driers are not going to change much. They may help prevent condensation in the tube but that is about it. Otherwise you will still form the nitrogen and sulfur oxides that form the corresponding acids. Keeping dust out of the discharge tube is a good idea though to prevent arcing. Therefore a filter on the air pump/blower is a good idea. Ambient air is pumped in through the discharge tube and comes out as a mixture of air, ozone and some nitrogen and sulfur oxides.