Morless honest debate. 
jchase
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MoreI am new to Curezone and in now way a medical expert but in reading through this guys posts it seems that many of his so called testimonials all suffer from the same symptoms. They all seem to report Mussel cramps, headaches and diarrhea.
Is it possible to have a debate without being bombarded buy personal attacks. I have noticed that if you don't fall in line your banned. I was just wondering if there are people out there who have used his protocol with negative results and were not allowed to post them or if someone with the medical knowledge could give an explanation.
Also are there people who have used his lime drink long term with out side affects?
Is this discussion possible? And no I'm not Satin the devil or Haveragerthi.
Would just like some facts.
Tis my choice.
Jchase.
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- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,445,285
jchase - if you title your post 'Is this guy dangerous', well right off the bat you are asking for a complete free for all that deserves to be in the curezone trashcan. You might think of moving this over to the personal conflicts forum unless you edit and change the tone of the post. Nothing wrong with asking people for feedback regarding ML, however the devil is in the details and the way you presented your post I can guarentee is going to cause a lot of name calling here.- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... #68716
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,445,294
I don't see how JChase's post here needs to change it's tone at all. He's simply asking if we can have debates without calling names and if we can post on someone's forum when what they're "prescribing" didn't work for us or we find facts to disprove what they're saying.
The trouble is people are name calling and geting nasty when other people disagree with their advice. And how are we going to get truthful information when we can't hear the truth because forum owners delete posters who state facts, or experiences that prove them wrong?
Some people won't listen to another person's view point even if it's laden with facts. It reminds me of the Buddhist story where the cup already full. There's no room for anything else. They can only repeat what they "know".
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912) received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
“Like this cup,” Nan-in said. “You are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”
- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,445,398Gina, I have no problem with people inquiring about ML or his protocol. It is just that I have been on here three years and seen too many anti-ML threads start up under the pretext of "just wanting the facts". Haven't really followed all of the stuff over here recently, but I do know that jchase is anti-ML, for a lack of a better expression. And that is his choice. I make no judgement on that. But......when you title a thread with "Moreless is this guy dangerous" and start putting in "Tis my choice", and say that all of his testimonials suffer from the same symptoms - well yes, I do question his motives. I have been around here a lot longer then he has and have seen it too many times. Which is not to say that there are not valid questions that can be asked. And this is from someone who doesn't follow his protocol. But jchase, in my opinion, may be a nice guy, but I am not sure whether he is really over here (on this forum) to find honest answers and better his health. Just don't know. And it doesn't need to be that way. Again, re-read his original post and tell me whether you truly think it is an objective person out for the truth...
- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... #68716
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I don't know JChase or Justin and their problem with Moreless, but I did notice how nasty Moreless is to Hveragerthi.
I'm very happy to have found Hveragerthi's forum and very disappointed to see how much he's being harassed.
Moreless gets nasty when his "facts" are disproved.
I'm sick of the whole thing. I try to stay away from all the opionions and mud slinging and stick with the facts.
- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... #69242
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Well Gina, I am glad you have found his forum, just like I am glad that ML's supporters have found his. I make no judgment on the validity of any of the issues that these two "camps" seem to discuss here. I can honestly say that I almost never follow it. On these debate boards it turns into nothing but one big fight. But everyone has their favorite protocols, and mine is kinesiology and homeopathics. I have found what works for me and people can consider themselves lucky if they have found something that works for them as well.- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... JustinL
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This is a reply to # 1,445,441I don't consider exposing a troll as callin anyone names ! Now as far as having an honest debate just how is this possible with a guy like jchase who has already been caught in an outright lie? The idea that someone who is a known liar asking for an honest debate is a joke! And if anyone is dangerous its those who pass out information at random with no real protocol to justify themselves! What hvergerthi does is nothing more then promote government studies and push products, his info is based on isolated studies that amount to nothing!
Moreless has always had an establishment troll harassing him and if you may have noticed now that Hveragerthi is in place the well known troll Corinthian is out of site! A very smooth transistion from one troll to the next!- Re: Morless honest debate. jchase
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- Re: Morless Is this guy dangerous, h... grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,445,441>>"everyone has their favorite protocols"<<
I am not sure many people will ever come to understand that we are all different and what works well for one, may not work well for another; in terms of recovery... in addition, some slower "cleansing" processes may not be appropriate to some one in dire straights and immediate need.
Then there are time factors and what an individual is willing to do for themselves.
Ongoing maintenance for everyone should only take a good healthy Diet and lifestyle... now if we could find some clean air, water and soil somewhere, perhaps all periodic cleansing would be unnecessary...
grz-
- Re: Morless honest debate. jchase
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Grz,
This is from the testimonials on Moreless. What part of the potocol did you use?
Do you use the lime drink?
By Grz,
The reason I have come to this conclusion is that I have
changed my skin, nails, and hair condition, muscle strength and definition, I
have deeper blue colored eyes etc. and I have healed all kinds of ails through
the mineralization process... in only little over 2 years. Do I look different?
No, it has not changed my primary features, albiet they are all lighter in
weight to the tune of 50+ pounds, however everyone, even people I have known for
a long time, makes comments on how much better I look and I believe my aura must
project as I attract people to me who comment on my energy.- Re: Morless honest debate. grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,445,485The whole thing...
Yes... though I have found ways to incorporate the drink ingredients into my food preparations that have minimized my need for the drink; that along with eating some fresh picked foods within hours (sometimes right where I am standing during harvest) most every day...
The primary focus of the ML protocol is a diet rich in vegetables and fruits of high brix value... this is best achieved with organic, biodynamically grown foods.
Secondary to that is the alkalizing drink, which many naysayers have a problem with... even though lime water has been used for eons in food preparation and as a health measure... even presidents were treated by their doctors with lime water... and Edgar Cayce touted it for colicky babies.
Throughout history, Medieval monks used lime water, Native North and South Americans used it... southeast Asians and Northern Europeans, it was used as a disinfectant hand and wound wash, etc. etc. etc.
His personality and posting style is peoples biggest gripe with him. Most people want to be treated with kid gloves...
The other factor of contention is his primary focus on alkaline minerals. However if one where to step back, he promotes them due to the plethora of man made acids in our environments that create foods low\void of the alkaline minerals, and challenge and use up the alkaline minerals we do get\have.
I tend to agree that we need more of them than our diets provide these days due to toxins\pollution.
Outside of that, lime water is the biggest disagreement... anything else has been used for eons, except for the Epsom Salts .
And then there are the baths... which no one has much of an argument against... but again, perhaps the small amount of limewater... Which BTW, neutralizes the fluoride, chlorine and other undesirables in the water.
Most people do not understand that when the lime water is mixed together with the other ingredients, it is no longer calcium hydroxide...
You do know that milk of magnesia is magnesium hydroxide... and that making Colloidal Silver creates a silver hydroxide... etc.
I am not sure why people who will use the CS or the MOM have a problem with calcium hydroxide, but the sparks really fly at times. C'est la vie.
grz-
- Re: Morless honest debate. jchase
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This is a reply to # 1,445,501Thank you, best explanation yet.
Dose the lime water lower blood pH? or dose it matter?- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... grassman
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This is a reply to # 1,445,505Honestly digestive tonics work,so does good food,drink breath and thought.These are simple truths that can not be denied.This is the goo goo ga ga of health and well being.The issue is pro censorship in the name of pseudo Science and ego.High brix is a growing modality based on a theory supported by a company that makes revenue from soil testing.Which is an important aspect of this extreme gardening method.Reality is there is no nor will there ever be a high brix section in the produce department.Some prefer to stay in reality as opposed to the delusion of occultic non sense.
- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... jchase
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This is a reply to # 1,445,552I'm no expert but his style aside, is he making up science?
And if so, is it dangerous or just iterating? - Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,445,552>>"delusion of occultic non sense"<<
just for clarification, are you referring to brix here?
grz-
- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... JustinL
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This is a reply to # 1,445,607>>"delusion of occultic non sense"<<
This is typical establishment troll jargon and how they succeed in discrediting all good alternative health protocol ! These people have no boundary's on their ethical behavior they can go as low as is required to accomplish their agenda!
- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... jchase
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Hay, Justin
Glad you back in the friendly debate. Still waiting for your answer. Do YOU use the lime drink? If so for what? For how long? And do you recommend it to others?- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... JustinL
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This is a reply to # 1,445,950Yes of course I do. I fully support and follow Moreless's advice and yes I recommend it to everyone as a foundation for good health! I also follow ML's advice in the garden and have had superb results there also! I am a student of the whole theory of pH balancing, back to its origins as proposed by Bechamp and those who followed, all the way up to Reams and Moreless!
The Science of Biological Ionization is based on a theory that the body can heal and repair/rebuild itself with proper foods and or supplements at its basic core pertaining to healing ! These same principles applies to the source of our health, the soil and its environment, from which our sustenance comes from!
PS It is not a lime drink it is much more than that, it is an attempt to achieve an effective full spectrum nutritional supplement !
- Re: Morless honest debate.Honesty ve... JustinL
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This is a reply to # 1,445,917My agenda is point out your a complete ass that tries to silence people.A dog of no thing ness,theory+theory+theory=forum of idiocy.
- that was unnecessary n\m grzbear
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