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MoreOk, I'm collecting the ingredients for the drink, still need the kelp. I'm still nervous about trying it because I have candida, but Im having faith. Going to order a refractometer. Got a digital ph meter.
Anyway, a few basic questions:
1. what is npn and how do I avoid it
2. is the moreless program better than robert youngs ph miracle or are they just 2 different means to the same end
3. is there a link that explains the baths
4. what else is part of the moreless program? diet, exercise, etc...
feel free to answer part or all...
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This is a reply to # 1,431,945Hi Ya'll,
Enclosed is the Alkalizing baths from the website which was closed down until a new site is up and reformated!
Alkalizing Baths that Detoxify Acids!
These baths may pull huge amounts of toxins and acids out of
your body fats into your lymphatic system, but if you do not
take a cold shower at the end, you may overload the body with too many toxins and acids which it is trying to get rid of and make yourself feel worse.
The ideal way is to start of slow, with a shorter soak time
and build up. I suggest you start with 10 minutes and build up to 30 minutes.
There are a few baths that I will add here that can truly help to alkalize you and start the removal of acidic wastes from the body. Sometimes you will feel invigorated and sometimes you will feel drained.
You can do these as often as you want.
You may also try these as foot baths, which may be
particularly effective if you have any problems with the lower half of the body. Do not attempt these baths until you have read ALL the notes below! Thank you!
BATH 1 with H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide):
* 2-3 cups of Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) - approx 2lbs
* 1-2 cups of Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) - approx 1 lb
*Edit: Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 quart of 3% solution OR 1.5 ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**
Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients apart from the
H2O2 - add that at the end and swirl it into the bath. You
want to SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible but do
NOT get the water into your eyes.
After 10-30 minutes, take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down.
BATH 2 with Calcium Hydroxide
* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 1-2 tablespoons of Calcium hydroxide Powder (MUST be diluted first - place the CH powder in a gallon of water to make sure it's dispersed, please check notes below)
**Please read safety notes below**
Edit:Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 Quart of 3% solution OR 1.5 ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**
Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to
SWEAT!! You WILL sweat! Try and stay as submerged as possible but do NOT get the water into your eyes.
I would not recommend this bath to those that have cronic
disease because it is so powerful - wait till you are a little stronger.
After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is essential! (Please read health notes below).
BATH 3 with Apple Cider Vinegar
* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 2 Cups of Apple Cider Vinegar
Edit:Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 Quart of 3% solution OR 1.5 ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**
Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to
SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible.
This bath is great for those with skin problems such as eczema or acne. It's fanatastic for those who have dry, itchy skin conditions. It also helps edema/swelling. It's a great bath for those who have too much sodium in their body, as the high potassium content of the ACV is an antonist for sodium.
After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute, or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is essential! (Please read health notes below).
VARIATIONS:
**If you can, skin brush before getting into the bath - this
starts lymphatic movement and will help you detoxify more.
**If you're really brave and want to open up your pores more,take 50mg of Niacin B3 (you MUST get the flush version). Take this on an empty stomach 10 minutes before getting into the bath. Your body will flush red and you will feel your skin is prickly, the sensation should last 30-60 minutes, but this is a really powerful way to sweat and open up your pores for more efficient detoxification. You can combine this with skin brushing.
** You can add some kelp as minerals if you have skin problems (but you'll stink!!)
** you can also add oregano oil, cayenne pepper, ginger powder
... all are wonderful at creating more sweat and heat.
** You can spray your body (avoid eyes) a few minutes before
and staright after the bath with 3% Hydrogen peroxide, and
that will help to alkalize you even more
For those who do not have a bath at home, you have options of doing alkalizing foot baths or alkalizing showers.
GENERAL KEY HEALTH NOTES:
**Make sure you're well hydrated before the bath, also take a herbal tea into the bathroom with you and sip whilst bathing.
I like to take ginger and lemon, peppermint, elderberry or
dandelion.
** If you are extremely ill and weak, these baths can feel
exhausting. Please make sure someone is around should you need to get some help out of the bath! Only stay in the bath as long as you can take it, if that means starting with 5 or 10 minutes, go for it! Alternatively, just try alkalizing foot baths to begin with.
**The hydrogen peroxide supplies the Extra Oxygen which is
needed by the body for the Electrical charges.
** Baking Soda is called Bicarbonate of soda or Sodium
bicarbonate (NaHCO3). The Baking soda provides extra Sodium in the water which may help neutralise the excess acids which the Epsom Salts pulls out of the body among other things, so helping the body to heal much faster.
**These detox baths cause the body to get rid of Toxins
through Sweating through the pores, and it is essential that
the water is very warm/hot and can stay that way through out
the duration of bathing. It is the heat of the hot water which causes the Acidic Nitrogen Isotope to be drawn out of the body.
**The reason people feel so exhausted after soaking is because of the amount of acids which have been released from your body fats, into your Lymphatic system on their way to be eliminated out through your skin pores. The Acids which would be causing the most problem may be the Nitrogen Acid Isotope along with any other toxins, which is the reason for taking the cold shower afterwards, yet you only need to shower cold, long enough to take the heat out of your skin on the outer body!
Taking this cold shower afterwards, stops the release of any
more acids so you may recover from having too many acids to
overload the Lymphatic system, which may cause one to feel
poorly, if the acid release isn't stopped. Everything should
be done in cycles, so the body may recover. Release some acids and allow the body to dispose of them and relax for a while and start the cycle over again.
**You can do these baths as often as daily, but that may be
too much for some.
**People are cautioned to start out slow at first. Also to
make the point clear about the cold shower after wards, the
importance of this cold shower, is it may help throw the body to the Alkaline side, if done properly and you have not caused too many Toxins and Acids to be released into the Lymphatic system. In other wards, if one does the Hot bath and then does not take the cold shower, then this allows the body to remain too acidic! The cold shower is very important in the end of the process or the body may be more acidic than in the beginning from all the Toxins and Acids which may have been released into the Lymphatic system!
**Should you find you feel worse, (like having flu like
symptoms) you may help yourself temporarily by taking one full Tablespoonful of Baking Soda in an 8oz glass of water and drinking this over a 30 minuite time period, not sooner! This may help correct the imbalance of your ratios between the Sodium and Potassium which you may suffering from. This may help neutralise the excess acids temporaily plus correct the sodium to potassium ratio
.................
****IMPORTANT - SAFETY NOTES - PLEASE READ!****
CALCIUM HYDROXIDE (also known as - pickling
lime/Ca(OH)2/slaked lime/biocalc/lime water etc.)
In concentrated powdered form, this stuff is a skin, eye and
respiratory irritant. It is CORROSIVE and causes burns. Should you be using this concentrated form to dilute with water before use, please protect yourself by wearing safety glasses, gloves and minimize your exposure to the dust itself.
This powder is also incompatable with strong acids! So, the
more acidic you are the smaller your dose should be! Start
small and slow, and add more after checking your response. We are all unique, so someone else's ideal doseage may not be the same as yours.
My suggestion is to make up your solution outdoors. This
powder is very fine and fluffy, it'd be easy to accidently
spill some on your kitchen or bathroom floor for unsuspecting kids and pets to walk on.
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE (H2O2) I know some are using the 3% and some of us are diluting the 35%
The 35% is very strong. If you accidently spill some on your
skin it will cause white burns. Immediately splash that body
part in cold water for 15 minutes and spray with apple cider
vinegar.
Never store your 35% H2O2 in a glass jar. It arrives in a
plastic container for a reason. The food grade H2O2 contains
no stabilisers and breaks down over time releasing oxygen gas, which builds up pressure and may burst your glass container!
Never get the peroxide in your eyes!!!!!!!!!!! Ed McCabe
(author of Flood Your Body With Oxygen) says getting this
stuff in your eyes can result in cataracts. It doesn't mix
well with the cells in your eyes. Splashing into the eyes can cause PERMANENT tissue distruction. If you do get some in your eyes, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.
If accidental swallowing occurs, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.
Extra Note: In our quest to alkalise yourselves, please don't take any risks. Do only what you are comfortable with and do your research. It isn't a bad thing to question someone about their recommendations. PLEASE keep these products out of reach from children and pets.
I have also read certain sources that indicate that people who have a urine acidity rating of 6 and below should start with foot baths before proceeding to full baths. Full baths can start at 6.5 acidity.
Edit: The Peroxide should be added to "ALL" of the Different Baths, this was not included in the orginal website!
Smile Tis your choice.
- Protocol refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,431,945You can learn alot by reading the Recommended posts found in the upper portion of this page and by using the search engine in this forum.
Also you can read the testimonies of many people who have found health using these protocols. http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1028760#i
Here are the protocols for the drink and the baths. I hope this will give you a good start to learning about pH balancing.
Here is the Moreless protocol that Evanluck lovingly put together for everyone.
The basic protocol as outlined in this forum is as follows:
Stop all eating habits that promote excess acidity
This includes eating:
any refined sugars (sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc.)
any refined starches (white bread, white rice, anything made with white flour)
any artificial chemicals (preservatives, artificial sweeteners etc.)
any protein or grains 4-6 hours before you go to sleep
80% of your diet should consist of top-quality, locally grown, seasonal fruits and vegetables with an emphasis on green leafy vegetables (cabbage, broccoli, kale, cauliflower, non-iceberg lettuce, spinach etc.). You can purchase a refractometer and start testing the BRIX (amount of complexed carbohydrates) level of the foods that you purchase. This will allow you to begin to pick better quality produce.
20% of your diet can be whole grains and high quality protein sources like cold-water wild caught fish (i.e. Alaskan salmon or sardines), high quality eggs, non-homogenized dairy.
Do a series of enemas to clean out your digestive system. The one moreless recommends is water with a small amount of Apple Cider Vinegar.
Following the enemas take some probiotics. First thing in the morning, drink a glass of water. Then take the probiotics (one with a high billion count 8+ and with both Bifidus Bacterium and Acidophilus) along with a glass of skim milk. [edit added on 11-09-07]
Buy some PH strips and start testing your saliva at set times during the day (first thing in the morning and approximately an hour after each meal) to get an idea of the relative quality of your foods and how your body reacts to different kinds of foods.
Drink plenty of clean water slowly throughout the day.
Supplement your diet with mineral rich foods:
Alkalyzing Drink: the juice of 1/4-1/2 of a lemon, 1-6 or more (start out slow) Tablespoons of Pickling Lime Water (1 Tablespoon of Pickling Lime diluted into 1 Gallon of Distilled Water), 1-3 Tablespoons of Blackstrap Molasses, 1 Tablespoon of high quality, cold water kelp
Sip this drink slowly throughout the day. You can start out with one drink per day and scale up slowly to as many as your body reacts positively to.
Take a pinch of Epsom Salt with each Meal.
Accelerate with Akalyzing Baths:
Take a hot bath (as hot as you can stand it) with the following ingredients:
2 Pounds of Epsom Salts
1 Pound of Baking Soda
1-2 Quarts of Hydrogen Peroxide (edit by refreshed: 3% Hydrogen peroxide)
Soak in the bath for as long as you can stand it (start out with shorter period of time like 15 mins. and slowly work up to longer periods of time).
Finish up with a cold shower.
If you are very sick you may not be able to take the baths initially. If not then you can reduce the ingredients and do a foot soak with the same ingredients in the same proportion.
Learn to choose a positive outlook on life and positive thoughts. Find things everyday that you can be grateful for. Spend time in prayer and meditation. Refuse to worry about things that you are unable to control or are unwilling to take action to change.
This is the general protocol. Each person is different so you need to learn to listen to your body and make adjustments within these principles to find what works best for your body.
Ask questions where you are unclear. There is lots of experience and wisdom on this forum.
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Hi Ya'll,
Funny Protein is when the plant does not have the needed Alkaline Minerals or
the proper Acids to cause the Nitrogen in the plant to become Complexed into
TRUE Protein!
True Protein is made when the Nitrogen in the Plant is able to complex and form
complete Amino Acids in a Complexed Carbohydrate form with the needed Alkaline
Minerals!
So any Plant which has "FREE" Nitrogen in it which has not converted into True
Protein of the Amino Acid Complex Carbohydrate form, has what one may call
"FUNNY" Protein or "NON-Protein Nitrogen" !
When Urea is added to foods for to raise the Protein levels, this is "FUNNY"
protein!!
And "FUNNY" Protein may cause our body to become "VERY" Acidic!
And this may cause our body to have "ALL" kinds of Problems!
For when this takes place in the body, this prevents the body from getting
enough "OXYGEN" !
Now, just what happens if you pinch your nose closed and plug your mouth so that
you do not get any Oxygen??
Just how long do you suppose you may live without enough Oxygen???
Beans are very high in Protein and because of the way that most of them have
been raised, they may have too much "FUNNY" Protein in them!
And the other High Protein foods which may give people problems, these must have
enough Oxygen in order to Digest properly, and "IF" we are already short of
Oxygen,
then when we eat these foods which may required more Oxygen in order for us to
properly Digest them, this may compound our problems!
"IF" we find foods which require less Oxygen to Digest them, or foods which are
Higher in Alkaline Minerals, so that not as much Oxygen is required to Digest
them, then we may feel better eating these foods!
The Epsom Salt helps to supply Magnesium for the body which helps regulate the
Proteins in the body and helps remove the excess Proteins!
And the sulfate in the Epsom Salts also may help bound the Nitrogen which is not
in a Protein form so that the body may better deal with it!
The Kelp and the Blackstrap Molasses also provide extra Alkaline Minerals which
helps the body to carry more Oxygen so it may deal with the Proteins better!
How do we find Greens which are raised properly?
Now the answer to that question may be that we may have to learn to raise your
own or learn to gather wild greens and use!
But if we were to buy a Refractometer and start testing all of our foods, then
we may be able to learn who grows better foods and use the best we may find by
this method! Or we could use the refractometer to select the best foods which
may be available to us!
There are a few tricks to learn about how to use a refractometer correctly, but
once learned we may easily tell what foods may be best Quality by using a small
amount of the juice from the foods to test the Quality!
I have learned from enough years of testing and tasting foods to be able to look
at many foods and tell if they may be good or not, but this takes much work to
learn this, so it may be easiest if we choose to use a refractometer and used
it to determine the Quality of the foods we eat?
The different flushes are fine to do, but I choose to just try to eat correctly
and we get our flushes everyday in small amounts at a time in the normal
process of proper elimination!
But I do suggest for "ANYONE" who is having any Health problems to use Enemas to
help clean out the colon to help you to recover faster!
And I like to use a small amount of apple cider vinegar in the water for the
Enema so that it works much faster and cleans your colon out better!
But if we use very much ACV in the water it may cause us to not be able to
hold the enema inside for very long!
The Better we may learn to "Stop" eating foods which have Funny Proteins(NPN) in
them, the Better off our Health may be and the Less Sickness and Disese we may
experience !
Smile Tis your choice.
- Re: newbie question LD Di
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This is a reply to # 1,431,945Hi, igloo9!
Refreshed covered things well...just a few other thoughts.
Bath 2 with the calcium hydroxide is strong stuff. Not recommended to start with, and has never been to my liking, even after more than two years.
Evanluck's take on when to test pH is a median or average of what folks here do.
Some only test each morning.
Others test every time they urinate, both saliva and urine, and saliva any time their condition suddenly changes in order to use tools here to re-balance, suffer less, heal faster. I am probably the most ardent follower of that method. Nothing less does it for me...lots of health issues!!!
What you choose will depend on your individual needs. Keep it as simple as you can, but do enough to progress!
May you be blessed with vibrant health very soon!!
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[ Special note 2010-04-28, Moreless has his own forum and seems to no longer posts in Curezone
Moreless Forum http://sicknesshope.com/forum ]
HiI have been introduced to the real importance of pH balance with Dr. Youngs' books. I have 3 or 4 of his books. SO, I kind of owe him that.The differences between him and Moreless are many, but their aims to pH balancing are about the same.Here are In my oppinion somes differences between them.Info:-Dr. Y: You have to buy books and/or CDs.-Moreless: All the info is in the forum + and because it is a forum you get info and answers from others.Protocols:-Dr Y: You can buy a plethora of “Alkalizing” products. Super greens, ...-Moreless: Does not sell anything. Plus we get from him the Alkalizing baths, Alkalizing foot baths, alkalizing showers (ACV or H2O2 body sprays before and after showers). We can learn at least 6 different ways of alkalizing the head area through gargles and swishing. And all the above protocols are easy and very cheap.Alkalizing drinks:-Dr Y: Sells Drops. Some kind of sodium chlorite (I guess similar to MMS), but it is a “proprietary” formula. $30.00 1 oz. $90.00 4 oz !!!-Moreless: His alkalizing drink is the most complete source of various mineral I know of, while being the cheapest it can get.Nutrition:-Dr Y: Has charts about alkalizing and acid forming foods. And sells a lot of supplements.-Moreless: Just goes beyond. His emphasizes about the picking the best produces that are the most complete nutritionally so we don't have to take supplements. In fact Moreless discourage the taking of supplements and insist on taking the best food. In order to accomplish that he tells us to use refractometer in order to determine the quality of produces. The biggest shocker to a newbie is to learn from Moreless how poor is the quality of produces now and his warnings about NPN (non-protein minerals). These thing you won't learn from Dr. Y.And more ... This is from one of my post ( http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1350382#i )--Beginning of post--Re: What is an Alkaline Diet? The answer is here! by Will_I_Ever_LearnTry this insteadNo subscription required!No gimmick!No product selling!Learn about quality of food!Learn about what protein to eat and when!Learn about the danger of Non-protein nitrogen!Learn how to improve digestion!Learn about the importance of minerals!Learn about alkalizing detox baths!Learn about the drink that has the most variety of alkalizing minerals ever!Learn about gardening!Learn about the health values of vegetable broths!Learn about the adrenal glans!Learn about Cancer!Learn about Fungi and Yeast!Learn about Diabetes!.........Learn a new way of understanding health!Where is all this you ask?In curezone?YESand it's free !!!You don't believe me?Read from those who obtained satisfaction, from 331 testimonies.CheersWill_I_Ever_Learn--end of post--About pH testing http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1413918#iAbout the various protocols From http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1377273--Beginning of quote--The general overview of the protocols http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1191139#iOr this in pdf format: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1287182#iMore details about the alkalizing drink that synergetically combines minerals (blackstrap molasses, Epson Salt, pickling lime water and kelp powder,) with weak acids (such as Apple Cider Vinegar or Lemon Juice) http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1009886#i1Alkalizing baths http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1028932
[added by WIEL new link to foot baths 2009-08-03]Alkalizing foot baths http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1465940#iFinally from a thread which provides for detailed instructions about the Moreless alkalizing drink--end of quote--So, good luck... and CheersWIEL[added by WIEL --10 Simple Steps to Healing-- 2009-08-03]Subject: --10 Simple Steps to Healing-- by MorelessHi Ya'll,Many folks may be Seeking step by step ways to find Healing?Maybe I can mention a diet of 10 things of most importance, with the understanding that one would1st ----------------STOP eating "ALL" junk foods!!!--------------------This is anyone's problem, because almost no one follows this principle and thus are always backsliding into sickness again and again and searching for a quick fix!!Junk foods include any Low Brix foods !Only, a total change of life style will help solve most of a persons problems!!Now to list some important ideas one may use to maybe help raise their pH tomore Alkaline and maybe help them become more Healthy!!#1 Take some enema's to start cleaning out the toxins from our colon.And at any time we start to have problems, take another enema!!!!For if we add any food to a Toxic waste dump, it too shall become Toxic waste!!#2 First thing in the morn, drink an 8oz glass of water to flush out the excessacids from our digestive system.#3 Take a good probiotic with acidophilus & bifidus with a high billion count,with an 8oz glass of "ONLY" skim milk to start our digestive process properlyfor the day.IF WE ARE HAVING DIGESTION PROBLEMS , THEN WE MAY ALSO WANT TO HAVE THE PROBIOTICS ALSO BEFORE EACH MEAL, AFTER THE MORNING ACID FLUSH, THE REST OF THE DAY WITH A GLASS OF SKIM MILK, NO FLUSH WITH WATER AT THESE TIMES.#4 Eat our proteins in the middle of the day!Do "NOT" eat any protein 4-6 hours before going to bed!!#5 For an even meal have a good salad and or lite soup made with some of these foods: cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts, onions, carrots, celery, beets, rutabages, sweet potatoe,no white potatoes, any of the cole family of vegetables, good ripe apple, pear, peach, apricot, etc( if they are green or picked green it may cause us problems because of the NPN), these are some and I am sure others may be ok also, this is a start.#6 A simple cheap drink mix to cut Excess acidity of anything we may drink: Go to the grocery store and in the canning section find a small bag of pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) and also a gallon of distilled water. To the gallon of distilled water add one tablespoon of the pickling lime powder and this is our stock solution of Alkaline water. Before using this dilute mix of lime water always shake it up. Now to each glass of any liquid we drink each day, add one tablespoonfull of this lime water. We may have to acquire a taste for it, tho.#7 It may be Better to take the Moreless Complete Alkalizing Drink mix, which we may fix if we are run out of energy and or feeling DEPRESSED in any way and or wanting Healing and long term Alkalizing:Take one fresh Lemon and cut it in half and juice it into an glass and to this add some water to then mix in one tablespoon full of pure blackstrap molasses.Then add enough Lime water to cut the Acids of the Lemon Juice, but not enough to cause the drink to taste chaulky.We may also add a pinch of Epsom Salt to this and a few drops of Pure Peppermint Oil and or Vanilla etc to spice it to taste.One also needs to take kelp along with this drink, and most folks prefer to take Kelp Powder in capsules on the side, some are able to mix it in with the drink?If we take much Kelp we may need more Lemon Juice to react against the Alkalinity of the kelp, especially for those with Poor Digestion?We may add some ice if we wish it to be cold.We may take this as many times in the day as we feel a need for it to provide us with pure energy and bring us out of depression!!It is Best to start out by sipping on the drink, rather than chug it down at one time.#8 We may also use one tablespoon of vinegar [ACV] with one tablespoon of blackstrap molasses in 8oz of water as a drink with our meal, but it will not provide the same results as the Lemon and blackstrap molasses, which may be taken any time of the day.The ACV may not be good for someone with adrenal problems?#9 Also at each meal we may take a small pinch of epsom salt disolved in water, this has many side benefits, to many to mention now. We regulate the pinch size to only a small amount so as not to cause us to get the scoots from taking too much of it. Just enough so we do not get scoots from it, but enough so we do not have Constipation.#10 Mentally stop hating others and get a positive outlook on life, smile and learn to be happy and help others be happy!!This is a good start, and I will be happy to answer any other reasonable questions folks may have to help them better themself."WE" are What "WE" Eat !Choose Life or Death this Day !Smile Tis your choice now.
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