Hey Mr. H, no I didn't say it wasn't allowed, I said curezone doesn't rely on mainstream medical.

Such postings are for the benefit of people like you...who have much faith in these studies. I'm not saying they are all wrong...it's just not where we get all our info from.

First of all I do not accept any study out there. I have read through numerous studies that were set up to achieve certain results or to prove an herb or supplement dangerous through manipulated research. Secondly, we need to have some REAL basis for claims being made here. People's health and lives are on the line. I have seen so many false claims made here as well as bad or dangerous advice. Is that what you feel people should rely on? For example there are people here that will swear up and down that liver flushes are for real and that they are passing gallstones. It does not matter to them that this has been proven false so many times. One poster even put up a post about an analysis that was performed by a lab that proved these were not gallstones. What people are passing are a complex of the sterols from the olive oil and cholesterol from food and the body. Sterols have an extremely high affinity for cholesterol. The insoluble complexes they form are the so called "stones" people are passing. This is why they float instead of sink like real gallstones. And if people would take time to do real research on the subject rather than listening to unsubstantiated opinions being passed off as "fact" then they would know this. So should the people that know this does not work just be quiet even though they also know that these flushes can lodge a real gallstone in a bile duct requiring emergency surgery? Bad advice can be dangerous, just as false claims can be. For example telling people to drink sodium bicarbonate, or worse yet caustic calcium hydroxide (lime). Are you aware of how damaging hydroxides can be in tissues? Or the fact that they are some of the strongest free radicals known? If you saw someone being put in harms way would you remain quiet?

And again, there is good research that was properly done, and bad research that was manipulated to achieve certain results. Looking at the research can show up which one they are.

What is exciting about being here at curezone is that we all come to the realization that WE are the one's responsible for our health. You are the doctor/researcher/patient. You get to write the standards for your own health care.

I disagree. Someone giving advice is also responsible. There are people out there that are desperate and gullible. If someone is going to give dangeorus or faulty advice then they are just as responsible as the person if that person gets hurt following that advice.

All those testimonials.....they may not be double blind studies but they are the sound of victory over being overly dependent on our medical system of today.

Moreless uses testimonials as an ego booster. And who is to say that Moreless is not spending hours each night making up a lot of the testimonials himself to make himself look bigger? This is the point I have brought up to him in the past, and that he has twisted to claim that I called his followers liars. As I have said in the past I have received many chain letters with testimonials at the bottom claiming that they have made so much money. So was I supposed to believe these testimonials just because they were placed somewhere they could be read? Of course not!  Whoever started that chain letter is the one that wrote the testimonials. And as many times as Moreless has made up lies about me and continued to repeat them after I showed he was lying. I am supposed to believe that all of the testimonies were actually written by people he helped? I don't  think so! Trust is not given it is earned. And Moreless has proven himself, to me, to be an outright liar that will say or do anything to keep from being exposed as a fraud. This is further evidenced by the fact that several people have proven him wrong time and time again, myself included, yet he still will not admit his numerous errors. Let's see, nitrogen is protein. Hydrogen content increases acidity. But carbon and oxygen buffer the acidity of the nitrogen. And one nitrogen, which is apparently acidic in protein, can buffer the acidity of 4 acidic hydrogen atoms to create alkaline ammonium. But somehow this same nitrogen along with the oxygen buffer is not enough to buffer the one little acidic hydrogen in nitric acid. Nor can the buffering carbon and oxygen atoms buffer the few hydrogen atoms of carbonic or acetic acids. Which of Moreless' ever changing BS stories are we supposed to believe if any? And why should we believe a single claim Moreless has to make when he cannot even keep his stories straight? Maybe if Moreless would actually do some scientific research as well as research on how the human body works then we would not be having this discussion because he would not be putting people's health at risk!

My husband is not my enemy and neither are you Mr. H. We are just looking at things a little different...that's all. Please have respect for the people who have worked hard to learn to increase their health and have even more respect for the one's that have achieved it with flying colors.

How do you know you have not hurt yourself by following bad advice? As I pointed out to someone else drinking baking soda will make someone feel better if they have heartburn. Does this mean they cured the problem? Of course not. The original cause can still be present. The treatment is just a bandaid. Is it a safe practice? Of course not!!! Neutralizing the stomach acid can cause infections, yeast overgrowth leading to more heartburn, increased risk of allergies from undigested proteins, inhibition of vitamin and mineral absorption, inhibition of protein digestion, possible hypokalemia and/or alkali syndrome............... So yes, you may feel better, but at what cost? Why not just take a pharmaceutical drug if all you are interested in is covering up a symptom while causing other adverse heath effects?

You may not agree on the methods but at least take a small interest (if nothing else) in why some people heal and others don't. Alot can be learned.

And you think only Moreless has answers? Moreless has a lot to learn. Problem is that every time we try to teach him Moreless and his followers go on the war path attacking anyone relentlessly that dare oppose the holy knownothingatall. Again, if you wish to believe his bogus claims that have been disproven so many times that is your business. You should not be trying to speak for everyone else on these boards though. There are people out there that are interested in real facts, not make it up as you go stories, and they want to see the research so they will feel more comfortable in the recommendations. 

I met a woman many years ago dying of cancer who was very much opposed to alternative therapies. The reason according to her was that she went to Mexico and spent $10,000 on what she called a "quack" treatment. So I asked her details. She said that she had gone to Mexico and they gave her this liquid to drink and she started vomiting up a black tar. And of course her cancer remained. What happened was that they gave her INJECTABLE laetrile orally. The injectable form is highly concentrated and releases a cyanide when it comes in to contact with stomach acid. So who was to blame here? In part the people who gave ther the laetrile. But a larger part was her fault. She BLINDLY followed their recommendation. If I were going to plunk down $10,000 on any treatment you better believe that I am going to get my ass down to the library, or spend a lot of time on the internet researching that therapy. She did not even know what they gave her!!! So now let's imagine that then is today and she finds this board. If someone recommends to her to take injectable laetrile orally and I know better am I supposed to keep my mouth shut. Should I not post studies proving the danger of this practice? Do you think she would be interested in seeing the evidence? Or do you think she would only come to this board to get unsubstantiated advice to follow blindly so she could possibly hurt herself? And what is the difference between her and everyone else on these boards? Nothing!!!

My husband was the last person in the world who I ever thought would turn to alternative medicine for help but that just goes to show you that one should never give up hope. Mr. H, I'm not going to give up hope on you either. I know in your own way, you mean well. A year ago my husband would be doing just what you are doing now if he got on this website. He is now following the path that I am on after he got a chance to see my MS symptoms go away and I got my life back.

Believe me, herbs are great and I'm so glad you are teaching about them, but if you will apply the principles of pH balancing to their use and learn how to choose better quality foods you will amazed what good they can really do. :)

You need to learn about pH and the numerous ways the body moderates it. I have no problem with good diet or herbs to provide buffering minerals to the body. I do have a problem though with people recommending dangerous products like magnesium oxide/hydroxide, calcium oxide/hydroxide, and sodium bicarbonate all of which can cause damage to the body. Especially when the person recommending these practices PRETENDS to understand chemistry and human anatomy and physiology. If you had a Mercedes Benz would you take it to a 5 year old to have it repaired? Of course not because they would not have the knowledge to know how the car works. So why would you want someone working on something more important, like your body, when they do not even understand the basics of human anatomy and physiology or chemistry? That would be like going to a busboy to have him operate on your brain to remove a tumor!!!