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This is my first post at CureZone (please don't tell my wife I signed up for another internet forum!). I have an acquaintance on an investment forum who recently completed a 31-day water fast. He pointed me this way for more information.
I'm 33 years old (male), married with 4 daughters (6, 5, 2, 9 mos.), 5' 9" and 230 pounds (BMI 34 -- if you trust those things). About 2.5 years ago I had a business partner who cared enough about my health to urge me to borrow his "Natural Cures" audio CDs ( Kevin Trudeau ). I was 30 years old and wandering aimlessly through a sea of fad diets/exercise programs. I had absolutely no health "philosophy" up to that point. Although Trudeau is not perfect, I appreciate the fact that he introduced me to the plain truth that most of what is done in the medical industry is done for $$$. He also brought together the corpus of natural health data, and I have been able to further research each of these facts to draw my own conslusions.
Over the last couple years we have really cleaned up our diet and seriously reduced our exposure to environmental toxins -- but we are not perfect. In fact, we've had some highs and some lows -- some times when we were super careful (and felt great) and other times (like holidays) when we threw everything out the window.
A year ago Thanksgiving (2007) I had become quite sick with tonsilitis -- to the point of nearly needing to have them removed. Faced with the prospect of an "ectomy" or an anti-biotic (pen.) I chose the anti-biotic even though I had sworn off medications. After 7 days on the anti-biotic I was still struggling, but eventually the blisters on my tonsils subsided, and I still have them today (thankfully). However, the anti-biotic caused me to have a candidiasis rash outbreak that took 3 months to treat (LifeForce plan - Jeff McCombs).
It was that time one year ago when I finally decided I HAD TO take my health seriously. I didn't make any drastic changes, but just tried to make better choices along the way. At the time I was 255 pounds and all of my clothes were uncomfortably tight. Since then I have dropped 25 pounds and i have had to punch two new holes in my leather belt. I know 25 pounds is not a lot for a year when you are my size, but coming off Thanksgiving and Christmas I am please with the discipline I've achieved over the last year.
The problem? I'm still not healthy. I know that my body is full of toxic sludge from 30 years of living without a clue regarding proper nutrition. My weight lost plateaued many months ago, and, from what I understand, this can be due to the body resisting the release of fat-encapsulated toxins. I need to push through -- I need to be cleansed from the inside out -- I need a fresh start. Both of my parents are grossly overweight and they are CONSTANTLY ill. I see their lives as a bright warning flag to me. I don't want to share that fate.
I'll get to the point. I'm going to do a total water fast. I'm going to drive it to the end -- until hunger returns. My wife is still nursing our littlest (9 mos.), and she would like to join me, so we will wait to start until later in January when she is weaned. We are planning on eating only raw fruits/vegetables for 5 days followed by two days of fruit juice (organic -- juiced at home) immediately preceeding the fast.
Although my primary goal is to renew my health, I see this as a strongly spiritual event. It is a time to face my fear -- not that I'm afraid of the fast, but I'm afraid to face my own lack of self-discipline. A long time ago I tried a juice fast (remember the "Hollywood Diet" from circa 2000?) and caved at 10:30 p.m. the first night. (My wife has reminded me of this several times.) I believe my former failure was a result of not having a clearly defined philosophy/purpose/goal. I have that now, and I believe it will be my anchor through the first few days of food withdrawal.
Additionally, I am a Christian -- a TRUE Christian in that I truly seek to emulate Jesus Christ in every aspect of my life -- and I want this time of fasting to be a time of prayerful meditation. I want to emerge from the fast on a "higher plain" (enlightenment, if you will). Because of this I will be studying the Biblical significance of fasting over the next couple weeks in preparation. My wife and I are also planning on claiming one petition each for the duration of the fast whereby we will put ourselves at God's mercy and expect a miraculous intervention. At this point all of my ideas for this petition seem too insignificant for the magnitude of this event.
Jesus, immediately upon being revealed publicly at His baptism, went away into the wilderness and fasted 40 days. He was beginning a 3.5 year time of intense and physically demanding service to mankind, and this was His chosen method of preparation. BTW... it is interesting to note that the Scriptures say that "afterward he hungered", and at that moment of hunger following 40 days of fasting angels appeared to feed Him.
I am also preparing to make a life-changing transition (career change and cross-country move) at the end of Spring, and I feel that I need the strength of renewed health and focus to aid me in this transition. Otherwise I would be reluctant to attempt this fast in the winter. I have a feeling that this fast is going to be life-changing, and I am ready. I need the change.
I have a list of questions, and I would appreciate your answers based upon your knowledge and experience. Please refrain from giving opinions. If possible provide a source for your claims.
1. Is it necessary or advisable to take minerals/vitamins during a water fast? I currently daily take a quality multi-vitamin, a fish oil omega-3, 1,000 IU of D3, and a probiotic.
2. Starting Monday we will beging to transition our diet in preparation. What kinds of foods would you recommend (realistic, not ideal -- we do have 4 kids)? Also what other types of physical preparations / cleanses should we complete so that the fast is effective and tolerable?
3. I am really concerned about the refeeding process. We are not vegetarion nor do we plan on being vegetarian. Can anyone provide a reasonable 4-6 week schedule for the reintroduction of food?
4. At what point following a fast would you begin cardio / strength training?
5. How do you deal with social matters while fasting? (declining food, bad breath, prying questions, etc.)
6. How often should a total Water Fast (30+ days) be completed for optimal well-being? I notice that Jesus only did it once in the 3.5 years before he was murdered. Is annual too often? Or is it only necessary to do occasional maintenance fasts of 7-10 days?
Thanks in advance for all of your help and support! (I have already learned a lot by reading Chrisb1's posts!) I plan on journaling the entire process in this thread.- Re: Getting ready for first complete... waterbug
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,324,861A lot of your questions about fasting and re-feeding can be answered by reading "Fasting and Eating for Health" by Dr. Joel Fuhrman
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
His books inspired me to change how I eat and to fast.
About vitamins: "Vitamins are not generally required because within the body's cells are adequate reserves of protein, fat, minerals, and vitamins that can be called upon during periods of famine, food scarcity, or fasting." Dr. Fuhrman
Good luck with your fast.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,324,868Thanks! I've put that book on ILL order with my library. I definately want to be as informed as possible before beginning this fast. In what ways does Joel Fuhrman differ from Dr. Shelton?
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This is a reply to # 1,325,299Hello SoulDoc,
Dr Fuhrman MD was an internee of Sheltons and learnt his trade from him, after becoming his patient with a foot injury from his ice-skating career, and because of his influence and success with Sheltons recommended healing protocol changed career, so most things he knows about fasting are from that origin.
Dr Shelton is attributed with singlehandedly reviving Natural Hygiene or Orthopathy (as he later came to call it) from the pioneers of health care dating back to the mid 1800's from Dr Isaac Jennings MD, Dr Russell Thacker Trall MD, Felix Oswald MD, Charles E Page MD, Susanna Way Dodds MD and many many others, who became disillusioned with allopathic medicine and the drug-cure mentality, and had much greater success with the elements of Nature including fasting.
Shelton is considered to be THE authority on the subject of Natural Hygiene and especially fasting after supervising more than 60,000 fasts in all conditions of health & disease.................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm
Regards
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This is a reply to # 1,325,307That is the book I have on ILL order. I wish it was available as a pdf download. I can only get on the internet at the library, and I would like to be able to take it home on my laptop to read it. Do you know of any pdf documents of Dr. Shelton's writings?
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This is a reply to # 1,324,8611. Is it necessary or advisable to take minerals/vitamins during a water fast? I currently daily take a quality multi-vitamin, a fish oil omega-3, 1,000 IU of D3, and a probiotic.
No vitamins/minerals. They will only keep your body in digestion mode + your body has enough stored away to see you through.
2. Starting Monday we will beging to transition our diet in preparation. What kinds of foods would you recommend (realistic, not ideal -- we do have 4 kids)? Also what other types of physical preparations / cleanses should we complete so that the fast is effective and tolerable?
Personally, I never prepare. I'll get a vibe for a couple days before hand and then just jump into a fast.
3. I am really concerned about the refeeding process. We are not vegetarion nor do we plan on being vegetarian. Can anyone provide a reasonable 4-6 week schedule for the reintroduction of food?
You may surprise yourself. After fasting, your body has removed a lot of the mucoid plaque coating the intestines. In a cleaner state, your body will be able to absorb nutrients faster and with less food. I'm a Texas girl and while I was raised to appreciate good steaks, the actual act of eating one now is hard to do since my body is cleaner. Plus, you've got all the growth hormones and other additives that the cattle eat which just get passed right on to you for your body to combat.
4. At what point following a fast would you begin cardio / strength training?
I keep the same schedule pre/during/post which is 20 minutes of pilates daily in addition to whatever else is going on in my world.
5. How do you deal with social matters while fasting? (declining food, bad breath, prying questions, etc.)
I do it so often now that people just chalk it up to me being me. Of course, I've not taken a prescription medication in more than 20 years nor seen a doctor in more than 10. I'm healthier and more active that those I know that actually visit doctors.
6. How often should a total water fast (30+ days) be completed for optimal well-being? I notice that Jesus only did it once in the 3.5 years before he was murdered. Is annual too often? Or is it only necessary to do occasional maintenance fasts of 7-10 days?
It's up to you and what works best for your body. I've fasted a lot but never achieved 30 days though I would like to. I typically do 10 days. I have done 30 days on juice though and felt amazing during that time and I feel that that 30-day juice fast set me up for handling the longer water fasts.
If you've not fasted before, you might want to try a long juice fast first. You'll probably drop about 25 pounds during that time and have amazing energy.
On my juice fasts, there's no hardcore rules on that either. I simply juice whatever is in season and I feel like having....good luck! - Re: Getting ready for first complete... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,324,861Hello SoulDoc,
good advice & posts from Waterbug and especially from Raine.
That's quite a story you have there, and in addition to what has already been mentioned, I would like to add the following........
#1. Taking minerals/vitamins during a Water Fast is unnecessary and superfluous....
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch18.htm
#2. It has been demonstrated via the personal experience of fasters (including my own) that it is best to prepare for a "planned fast" of some length, as this will minimize elimination & detox symptoms once the fast begins in earnest.
That preparation would include eating as natural a diet as possible (even cooked food) and by adhering to a properly-combined-diet of fruit, vegetables, legumes and so on which are the least taxing foods on digestive energy, which in turn leaves more available energy for other bodily tasks such as cleansing and drainage: and which of course are a normal part of the nutritional processes of the body. In this way you can play "catch-up" with the elimination process................
http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/foodc/the_good_news_about_food_combining_the_g...
http://www.synergy-health.co.uk/articles/haydiet.html
Improperly combined foods such as a predominantly protein food with a predominantly starchy food at the same meal, results in greater fermentation/putrefaction than would otherwise be the case, which results in more metabolic toxicity.
Properly combined foods will minimize if not eliminate this almost entirely and therefore you will have a head-start for your cleansing.
I suggest you do a little more research on this especially about Dr William Howard Hay MD & Dr Herbert M Shelton who both endorsed its practice.
#3. The way a fast is broken will ultimately decide its success or failure and the care needed is in proportion to its length........the longer the fast........the greater the care.
Unless hunger has returned you are best to nurture and kick-start digestion with juices..........freshly juiced orange with apple is my own favorite, but the juice of any fruit in season is fine: the important thing is not to overdo any refeeding.
SHELTON..........
"Almost any food may be employed in breaking a fast, although greater care must be exercised if the concentrated types of food are employed for this purpose. There are individual factors that must receive attention. Sinclair tells of breaking a fast on a large, thoroughly ripe Japanese persimmon, and says that "it doubled me up with the most alarming cramps." A friend of his had the same experience from the juice of an orange; "but he was a man with whom acid fruits had always disagreed." The tendency of the long fast is to remove these digestive shortcomings, but it is not always completely successful, and this is especially so where the fast has not been carried to completion".
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch30.htm
Sheltons plan of refeeding.........
"After a fast that has lasted for more than 20 days.........
#1. Half a glass of juice every hour the day the fast is broken.
#2. Second day.........a whole glass of juice every 2 hours.
Sometimes this can be too much juice: if so miss a feeding or two.
#3. The third day I give a whole orange for breakfast, two oranges for lunch, and three for the evening meal.
The above can be changed to any fruit in season such as tomatoes, grapefruit and so on.
All fruits should be fresh, well-ripened, and WELL CHEWED: digestion begins in the mouth.
#4. Fourth day.............breakfast of citrus fruits or melons (not to be combined).
If the above plan is adopted, normal eating can be resumed after the first week".
From: Fasting Can Save Your Life by Shelton.
Above all: GO SLOWLY.
Concentrated foods such as meat, eggs, cheeses, fish, poultry are more difficult to digest, and it would be advisable to leave these foods out of the equation until after the first 10 days or so of refeeding.
However, if true hunger does return, you will need to exercise a great deal of restraint for the first 10 days to two weeks, as hunger has no equal in its demand for food, and where there is a very strong temptation to overeat and ruin the efforts and highly beneficial results of the fast itself.
After an initial long fast it is only necessary to follow a maintenance programme of cleansing of 7 to 10 days twice annually. Many hygienists follow this regimen.
Although you say you are not vegetarian, my own feelings are that you will develop a finer and more subtle taste for natural foods and where it is the experience of many that meat-eating can feel to be unclean and even repugnant post-fast.
BTW.......Food never ever tasted so good post fast: pure pure nectar to your lips.
Regards
Chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,325,220AMEN to that: "Food never tasted so good after a fast"
Please realize that makes that monster ever less controllable when it comes to limiting your food to small tiny amounts.
Here is what I posted in re: fasting: //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1325245#i
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This is a reply to # 1,325,220Chris,
Thanks for all that information. I'll need to read your post a few times to make sure I got it all. I have never heard about "Food Combining". I have read Dr. Joseph Mercola's latest book about nutritional typing, and Dr. Mercola claims that certain individuals are protein types and others are carb types.
I have a book by Dr. Shelton on order through ILL with my library. It seems like he is the real pioneer in the field of water fasting.
My friend who recently completed a 31 day fast did not wait for hunger to return. I don't know why. I have a feeling his wife begged him to stop out of concern. I would think that 31 days into a fast it would become easy to continue until hunger returns.
So... if you fast until hunger returns versus breaking the fast before hunger returns does that change the method of refeeding? Or is the difference merely that you must exercise a greater degree of restraint against your appetite?
Regarding vegetarianism... It isn't that I don't think I could give up meat, but rather I don't think it will produce optimal health. I believe the Bible completely, and in the Scriptures it is clear that although God intended at the time of Creation for mankind to be vegetarian, He instructed humans to eat meat following the world-wide flood (perhaps due to environmental changes?). I have eliminated most dairy from my diet, and I have seen a remarkable improvement in digestion. My primary non-vegetarian food sources are home-grown eggs (daily), personally-harvested venison (4x per week), and wild-caught fish (2x per week). I believe those three things are especially essential to my health, and for this reason I will not become a dedicated vegetarian. I know that every natural health professional has his pet issue - Mercola, no grains; Schulze, no meat; Shelton, vegetarian. I can't help but wonder if Dr. Shelton's neurological health problems later in life were related to his vegetarianism.- Re: Getting ready for first complete... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,325,302SoulDoc,
"So... if you fast until hunger returns versus breaking the fast before hunger returns does that change the method of refeeding? Or is the difference merely that you must exercise a greater degree of restraint against your appetite?"
The return of hunger means that your powers of digestion have returned in their fullest vigorous state, and where solid food is recommended to break the fast of a high water content. We should bear in mind that the bodies composition is approx' 70% water anyway.
However, if hunger has not returned, then the powers of digestion are fairly limited and the body is not really ready to accept nourishment. Breaking the fast before the return of hunger needs more care in nurturing it back to its fullest extent.
I believe that Jesus of Nazareth consumed both grains (bread) AND fish, so what is good for the goose.............!!!
Bread in his day would have been 100% wholewheat with no additives/ preservatives and the fish would have been free from contaminants such as mercury.
After being a vegetarian for some years I became a vegan for many more, but I am now a firm believer in the omnivorous approach to eating as indeed are many Natural Hygienists.
Sheltons health problems stemmed from his over-zealousness for his cause.........20 hour days....overwork.........
By Victoria Bidwell...........
"By 1972 Dr. Shelton is bedridden for the rest of his life. The symptoms of what the medical world term "Parkinson's disease" have claimed the strong motor skills of Dr. Shelton's once muscular and vibrant body. The workaholism of his lifetime finally takes its toll. The myelin sheath that surrounds and protects the nerves of the body can wear out. The subjective experience is lack of motor control. Muscles atrophy, waste away. Strength is lost. Movement is difficult. Uncontrollable shakes appear, especially in the hands. Dr. Shelton's drive to help The People with every ounce of Nerve Energy he had, his love for Hygiene and his contempt for The Disease Industrialists combined, worked for you and me and The People and against him. What must he have been thinking? Surely, he knew where all that lack of "Energy Enhancers #4: Rest & Sleep" over the decades was going to take him! Why would he drive himself like that when he knew, better than all The Health Seekers in the world, where it would take him?!?!? Only if you have a compulsive/addictive personality yourself, can you begin to understand a drive like this! Like T.C. Fry, Dr. Shelton certainly was not practicing "Proverbial Wisdom." Sweet sleep, in big doses, could have saved Dr. Shelton from riding out his life from his bed another 13 years. Back in his 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s, Dr. Shelton would have had to take another 4 to 6 hours a day for rest and sleep. How many books would not have been written? How many lectures not given? How many phone calls not made? How many Hygienic Reviews not published? How many patients not supervised? The tangled web he weaved for himself when he deceived himself all those years ended up making him a deathbed cocoon from which he could not rise. Dr. Shelton was left with legs that could not walk, left with hands that could not write, and left with vocal cords that could not speak. All for the sake of The Cause. Where, pray tell, Dear GetWell Friends, is the wisdom in that?"
http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com/Shelton/SheltonTimelinePg7.htm
Regards
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,325,340In addition to Chris's comments, there is another factor to throw in for consideration:
Protein does not beget protein.
Many mistakenly believe that meat consumption is necessary for protein. But the reality is that amino acids produce protein and those are found in fruits/vegs.
If proof is needed on that one, just think back on when you last saw an 800 pound horse sit down to a steak dinner.
Keeping an open mind is good in a situation like this because, until you've begun fasting, it will be hard to set absolutes for the future about what you will and won't consume.- Re: Getting ready for first complete... SoulDoc
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This is a reply to # 1,325,409Thanks for that tip, Raine 13. I'm sure I will have a lot of time to think about what to do after the fast/refeeding (up to 3 months for the entire process). My wife and I have said that we want to start drawing up a new nutritional structure that will be our lifestyle post-fast. So even now we are trying to determine what to "ban" in the future. The tough thing with all of this is dragging four daughters through it (not the fast, but the dietary change).
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This is a reply to # 1,325,220
"Although you say you are not vegetarian, my own feelings are that you will develop a finer and more subtle taste for natural foods and where it is the experience of many that meat-eating can feel to be unclean and even repugnant post-fast.
BTW.......Food never ever tasted so good post fast: pure pure nectar to your lips."This is so true. After my very first fast the taste of food was amazing. I ate some bread that I THOUGHT prior to my fast was delicious tasted like clay.
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This is a reply to # 1,324,861I have thought about doing my Water Fast while under the auspices of a naturopathic physician. Is it difficult to find physicians that embrace Natural Hygeinne? Would you recommend that I work with a physician on this fast?
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This is a reply to # 1,325,316SoulDoc,
unless you have known and/or underlying health conditions which contraindicate fasting then I would say that you do not need supervision; contraindications are minimal and include those serious health conditions such as Liver cancer.........other more serious health conditions would need close supervision such as kidney diseases. However, this advice is based on the pretext that you have thoroughly researched your subject, and will know what to expect as the fast progresses.................
These are good starting points if you haven't come across them before.........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.toc.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020125shelton.pristine/020125to...
http://drbass.com/orthopathy/
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020103toxemia/02010301.html
http://www.scientificfasting.com/index.htm
However, if you feel the need for supervision here is a current list of NH Doctors: Naturopaths can be reluctant to assist you.
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/doctors.html
Regards
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This is a reply to # 1,325,349Chris,
I just finished reading the link you gave me on Toxemia by Dr. Tilden. I did a little research and found that he lived to the age of 89. In his book he makes the following claim:
"Man is either the master of himself, or his appetite and sensual pleasures master him. If the former, he enjoys health until worn out; and he should go down at from
ninety to one hundred and fifty years of age. If he is inclined to the latter, yet has his habits more or less under control—is moderate—he may live from sixty to ninety years."
I have to believe that he was an incredibly disciplined man. So was he mistaken regarding the potential length of human life or the benefits of his lifestyle? I'm not saying that 89 years is not a full life, but I know people who throw caution to the wind and live longer than that.- Re: Getting ready for first complete... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,328,901SoulDoc,
like Dr Shelton, Tilden gave everything to his cause, and where both were victims of overwork: even then they both lived to be 90 and 89 respectively. Both did not practice what they preached in this respect.
If not for Natural Hygiene the same can be said for Sylvester Graham, who along with Dr Isaac Jennings MD were considered to be the "fathers" of this approach to physiological living in accord with the laws of Nature, and where Graham was known to have a delicate constitution: Graham would have died much sooner if not for his Hygienic way of life.
On the other hand Paul Bragg only met his demise by accident while surfing in his nineties!!
It is also noteworthy that the Hunzas regularly live active and healthy lives up to the ages of between 110 to 140 years, and who also mostly live in accord with Nature: Dr McCarrison, who made a study of these people, was astounded to find that he could not distinguish father from son while they worked on the land and tended their crops.!!
I personally think that the natural lifespan of man (barring accident) is between 100 to 140 years, but this entirely depends on the lifestyle chosen.
It is also true to say that there are some people who have incredibly strong constitutions, and who throw caution to the wind and who live well into their 90's and beyond, but their overall health is usually one of being inactive, and decrepit.
My father-in-law is now 89 years and was a heavy smoker for most of his life, coupled with fairly heavy drinking, and although living alone by choice, he is unable to climb stairs; is heavily out of breath on the mildest of exertions; and has carers cater for his every need.
Living to a ripe old age is one thing, but Hygiene, if practiced correctly & diligently, will ensure full robust and active health to the end.
Regards
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,324,861I have a couple more questions:
1. "Real Hunger" - How is this sensation different from the "hunger" experiences in the first few days of the fast? (I appreciate descriptions from those who have experienced this.)
2. Did "Real Hunger" just hit suddenly like a ton of bricks? Any certain time of day / night?
3. ... (I forgot my other question... I'll get back to you.)
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This is a reply to # 1,325,742Hello SoulDoc,
the "hunger" or appetite that is experienced within the first few days of a fast is only a feeling of "an all-gone sensation" in the absence of food and its withdrawal.
This is not genuine hunger.
Real and genuine hunger is a gradual process which builds over a day or two and is an unmistakable experience which is quite hard to describe in words; if you have ever been severely dehydrated resulting in a powerful demand for water, or been deprived of sleep for a few days, and where you are just unable to keep your eyes open no matter how hard you try..........it is this kind of experience.
Shelton said that genuine hunger is felt in the throat, in my own experience this is true, but in addition it is an all-over-bodily experience that intensifies with the passage of time and stems from the depths of your physical being........the innate power and wisdom of the body utilizing ALL of its instincts in the prevention of starvation.
Genuine hunger is ineffable.
Regards
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,324,861After talking it over with my wife, I've decided that I'm going to get into the fast 2 weeks before she starts. We have a hard time seeing how we will be able to take care of our 4 little girls if we are both detoxing really hard. This means that I can start sooner since I don't need to wait for her to stop nursing.
My plan right now is to start on Sunday, January 11th. Starting with lunch today I'm going to be seriously limiting my diet (content and proportion). Throughout the week next week I'll eliminate all meat by Wednesday and focus on only high-fiber fruit on Friday and Saturday (small portions).
Oh! I remembered my other question. I have read that staying warm is important in order to aid in the excretion of toxins. Is this necessary for bowel excretion or skin excretion? (I'd assume the latter.) If so, then here is my question:
Would it hurt to do sweat baths while Water Fasting (ala Jeffrey McCombs)? For a couple years now I've done occasional (at least weekly) sweat baths in order to cleanse my skin from the inside out. Would this be too much stress on my body while water fasting, or would this actually help in the ellimination of toxins?
PS - THANKS A BUNCH for all of the advice and support!- Re: Getting ready for first complete... chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,325,963SoulDoc
Sweat baths are fine for short periods to aid the skin in elimination while fasting, just so long as there is no excessive heat for prolonged periods, as this will prove to be enervating or wasteful of the life force (nerve energy). Prolonged exposure to excessive heat while fasting can also result in fainting and extreme weakness; the idea being to conserve energy for cleansing and healing.
It was found many years ago that the body should be kept at a comfortable temperature for the maximum benefit, as extremes of this (especially the cold) prevents elimination thru all channels, including the kidneys, and not just the other avenues of elimination.
The current vogue is "infra-red saunas" which produces sweating and elimination thru the skin but without the excessive heat from conventional saunas that many find to be too enervating and counter-productive to the aims of the fast if persisted in for too long.
Regards
Chrisb1.- Re: Getting ready for first complete... SoulDoc
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This is a reply to # 1,326,298Thanks, Chris! I'll probably not do any sweat baths. Instead, I'll just plan on wearing long underwear and wool sweaters to stay comfortably warm.
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This is a reply to # 1,324,861I started my pre-fast today. I'm seriously limiting my meal portions, and I've eliminated all grains, and sugars. On Wednesday I will go to strictly raw fruits and vegetables. On Friday it will be only fruit, and on Saturday only fresh fruit juice (home juiced). Sunday will be the first day of the water fast.
I will be keeping a complete journal of my experience along with daily weigh-ins (I will chart my results -- BTW... weigh-in was 231.5 this morning... naked... in zero degree weather out in my barn where I keep the workout equipment). I took a set of "before" pictures this morning. I'm not sure I have the courage to post them, but if the end results are incredible I might just have to do so. Weight loss is not my primary goal -- not even one of the top five -- but it will be a nice benefit.
I have made a list of my physical and spiritual goals, so I am embarking with purpose. I will fast until true hunger returns. I expect this between 35-45 days. I don't know what it will feel like, so this is a step of faith. ChrisB1 has assured me that it is unmistakeable, so I'll go forward based on that.
In order to achieve my spiritual goals, my mind will also be fasting -- no internet, radio, or telephone (I don't have television). I want to be still and listen. I want to seek God's face quietly and open my mind to receive truth. So this means I will not be giving updates on the CureZone. I WILL, however, post my entire journal at the conclusion of the fast.
Thanks for all of the help and guidance! I'll see you on the other side.
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