Liver Stones.... or SOAP? 
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I read this statement from a skeptic today. What he said made sense to me, but I want to hear what you guys have to say about it before I believe it. I've been considering doing a liver flush, but this kind of turned me off, thinking the process might end up being a waste of time. I'm not knowledgeable about how these flushes work from a physiological standpoint... I just want to get better. So hopefully someone with more knowledge can clear this up!
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Liver cleanses: Usually revolve around drinking oil, lemon juice and a salt. Aside from never TOUCHING your liver, these chemicals mix in your stomach and are subjected to the alkaline small intestine. Hmm?fat, salt alkyl....saponification! You are making soap! It will become stained green by bile salts but its still soap. A person who passes these globs of green soap will be impressed...but they are not " liver stones " or "toxins"....just stained soap.
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The lemon with the oil would trigger explosive diarrhea due to upsetting the intestine. Although that might relieve constipation, it also disturbs the intestinal flora. Whether that fits the descriiption of detoxification or not, depends on the person. A person with chronically loaded and inflated colon might fulfill the descriiption of detoxification. The point is that, your approach stems from moderation and individual personal views. Some people do not fall in such classification. I personally know few people with badly distended guts who could benefit from any "sponification" process, that you have alluded to.
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This is a reply to # 1,239,878Its getting to a point now where my experience is totally opposite to the logistic evidence being presented to me. I trust my experience of my own body and health over "logistics" any day. Liver Flushing is doing some thing amazing. Its doing some thing that Epsom Salts alone don't do, and its doing some thing that olive oil alone doesn't do. I've done numerous intestinal cleanses, NONE of them give me effects like the liver flush. Some times I get ridiculously powerful negative effects the day or so after a liver flush. Then it clears up and I feel better than I've felt in YEARS. One can say its nothing to do with my liver...frankly...I dont believe them. They can call me delusional all they want, I've got the best evidence for my self possible. Experience. - Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? Molly Bloom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,239,878I've said this once...or twice, and I'll say it again:
I don't care if it is monkeys flying out of my butt, the Liver Flush is one of the single most important modalities I've ever tried. It made me well on so many levels.
Who cares?
Molly- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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This is a reply to # 1,239,917Liver Flush is one of the single most important modalities I've ever tried
--What other therapies have you tried? I know Oil Pulling is one of them.. - Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? hennypenny
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,239,917Who cares? I care
As one who has self treated gallsstones (multi) through diet and nutrition for 5 years and still hasnt managed to "dissolve-flush them)
what is needed is evidence- ie before and after scans a fill sack/ an empty sack.
if you have experienced the excruciating pain of a travelling stone in the duct(and with scan evidence) you would care too.
- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? msteve666
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This is a reply to # 1,239,878For the moment, put aside the green "stones". You will get so much sludge and debris out that even if, for the sake of argument, you call the stones a derivative of the oil, you will be cleaning out a whole lot more. But you won't know that until you do it. My first flush had no green stones and my subsequent flushes didn't have as much debris, flakes and sludge as the first one.
- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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This is a reply to # 1,240,027Our digestive tract is not a sewage pipe which you should flush with lots of ES, SWF, oil etc. These kinds of flushings will only further weaken the already sick digestive tract.
- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? podunck
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This is a reply to # 1,239,87810:
In my many years as an herbalist, I believe you just shed some light on this whole insanity.
No that has seen these "stones" ever reported that they had them analyzed by a certified Diagnostic Lab.
I've panned for gold in the past. How disappointing it is when you worked so hard for some gold-dust only to have it analyzed and identified as 'fools gold'. Some people go into denial and won't admit to themselves that they were wrong. Others are relieved to learn the truth so they can proceed after having learned a hard lesson.
Make sense?
podunck- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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This is a reply to # 1,240,228I learnt the hard way. I am releived that I am totally out of this insanity.... My husband is also releived that finally I have given up on this LFing business.
But there are many ppl out here in CZ who will continue to drink oil in hopes of cleansing their liver. My God enlighten them. Amen!!!
- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? San2006
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This is a reply to # 1,239,878Yeah, it is SOAP stone. Already had too much discussion in the Liver-Flush debate forum on this. Read on and then make your mind. Better still try some of these flushes, and then decide with an open mind.
BTW, propagators of LFing will tell you, you have to do it for a very long time. Gosh I am so tired of all this BS.. - Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,239,878My questions to the skeptic are:
1.) If this is what occurs inside the intestines, then why don't you get these soap stones every single time the flush is done? Also, why do some persons never get stones again after many flushes?
2.) Why did the Lahey Clinic (Boston) in the 1930s as well as many German medical practitioners today have so much success with this flush if it is/was a clinical falsehood?
There have indeed been people who have had these stones analyzed by medical labs (including myself). These stones are absolutely the same kinds of stones extracted from surgically removed gallbladders. So I guess a 3rd question would be: how do soap stones get into people's gallbladder whom have never done a flush in their life?
As with many things, you'll just have to discover this on your own and decide for yourself.- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? podunck
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This is a reply to # 1,240,918pbuddy:
Now that's what I call scientific evidence. Can you still find that lab report and tell us exactly what it said? If you're like me, you may have misplaced it. I'm truly interested in the evidence.
Thanks.
podunck- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,240,957Answer the 3 questions I posed and perhaps we can have a discussion about any evidence I may have. How's the tonic business? I hear the weather's dry in AZ. Toodles.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,096Evidence ??? Do you mean a study done by some high priced pharmaceutical funded study designed to assure the results required for FDA approval??! lol! You my friend are in the wrong world! The Science behind these flushes is common sense! The result is that some will find great results others will not! If this isnt good enough for you show me a real scientific study that disproves this fact! I dont find people asking for scientific studies to be genuine in their persuits but just playing a game of nonsensical rehtoric !
I mean anyone who knows anything at all about alternative protocol know scientific studies are just a scam to eliminate competition for the drug pushers!
If you want something that fits your criteria go to pubmed or one of the other pharmaceutical owned websites! Or just go to your doctor and buy some expensive ineffective drugs that all come with scientific studies, and countless side effects!- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? podunck
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This is a reply to # 1,241,1112Sirius:
Personally, I was referring to a diagnostic lab that's equipped to analyze specimens. We have a diagnostic lab here that will analyze quite accurately. But no one I know who has ever done a Liver Flush has actually had them analyzed and documented. I think it would this issue to rest once and for all.
Don't you think?
Pbuddy, please share with us.
Thanks.
podunck- Re: Liver Stones.... or SOAP? 2Sirius
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This is a reply to # 1,241,114I doubt it! There will always be those innocents or those paid misinformationist who will do what they can to diminish these flushes! There have been testing by many if one where to take the time to read all the archives here at Curezone ,they come and go and so do the skeptics! I say to hell with tests ! Each individual is the test, if one feels inclined to do these flushes chances are they will find better results with a good attitude then any scientific study!
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This is a reply to # 1,241,233Sorry ! I was'nt directing my disrespect for the pharma troll at you! If you want to test this protocol that is your right to do so!
I suppose its the tedium of debating and answering the same old tiring challenges ! If there was more then just the same old soap stone story and other ridiculous challenges I might be more enthusiastic about your proposal!
There are tests that have been done by individuals and its a pretty well known fact that the stones in your flush are the same as those taking from removed gallbladders!
If done properly and not over done this protocol is safer then just about any protocol
the medical establishment has to offer and has more immediate positive effects then most other alternative protocols!
There is a time and place for the liver/gallbladder flush and there is a positive result waiting for almost any one in need of such a treatment!
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This is a reply to # 1,241,114If that's the case - do the flush, get some "stones" and have them analysed.
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