Edited 
#91287
16 y
3,214
It is just a little odd that this fourm has been around for many many months and no-one ever posted on here before about pulmonary edema symptoms(VOY) or bronchitis symptoms (Rouge). All of the sudden, since mms critics have been on here there are these strange new posts that could possibly indicate chloring dioxide over-dose symptoms are showing up here on the forums?????????
But it just seems odd like odd timing. Anyone could get on curezne and get any name they want and begin writing posts.
I deeply apologize if you are real posters with true experiences. But this is just really ODD!
More
- Re: it's just a lttle odd... EDITED #76749
16 y
3,146
MoreThis is a reply to # 1,105,725
I don't think it's the least bit odd that people are posting breathing problems. When I first found this board in early December there were many posts about people getting bad colds and a lot of the "supporters" replying to the effect that "it's just a healing crisis" or some such thing. It is remarks like that which cause people to refrain from posting negative effects.
I too had breathing difficulties at the 15 drop level with a vinegar activator. Yet I don't see that as a real problem because it only lasted for a few minutes, but it was definitely there. I'm not going to press it, but I am much more in touch with my body than a lot of folks and I can feel MMS entering me through my tongue and throat. When it hits those places at the high dosage, that's when it also odor wise, affected my breathing for a while. A portion of the MMS solution stays in that area, and that's what caused my breathing problems, the continuous vaporization from those places which got into my lungs.
I have granulomas in my lungs which are what my body created to surround and wall off the active TB that entered there. The TB germs are still alive and active even after more than 70 years. My condition is not unique. Many people have active TB in lung granulomas decades after their exposure. However, if in fact MMS breaks down those walls, then it is capable of releasing active TB in me and anyone else who has them.I think that by chastising people on this forum who have negative experiences with MMS, it discourages the posting of negative experiences. This is a support forum - for both negative and positive outcomes.
I'll probably continue to use mine as a mouth wash - it is a good plaque remover.
More
- MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,580
This is a reply to # 1,105,792
Dear "yet another mysterious number",
Have you heard of Rife technology? Royal Rife lived from the late 1800's to 1981 and he developed a plasma tube frequency cure for some of the most devastating diseases, including cancer and (at the time) TB.
In fact, one of the ORIGINAL rife machines was based on a Hewlett (of HP- Hewlett Packard fame)oscillator circuit that brought Rife into contact with Packard who HAD TB, but was cured by Rife's machine. This was in the 1920's-early 30's!
Have you thought about using Miracle-Mineral-Supplement with Rife to alleviate your TB symptoms? I realize that Rife technology is more "techy" and expensive than most people want to handle, but there's NO side effects (except the usual herxing) and once you have the initial $$$ layout, it's a powerful tool for no-downside treatments of multiple problems.
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,273
This is a reply to # 1,106,015
The only TB "symptoms" I have are what show up on the X-Ray. It is dormant. My concern in following many of the MMS discussions earlier is that if MMS breaks down the body's defenses and unleashes what is underneath, then does it do that to the granulomas? As long as nothing disturbs the granulomas, then there is no TB concern. So - I don't have any interest in Rife, which is just another endorphin generator, and while endorphins do heal, I boost my endorphins through daily walking which also heals. Let's drop Rife, as that's not an MMS topic.
Many people - in the several thousands in this country (USA) have granuloma encased TB. Can MMS stir it up? Nobody knows, but there is definitely a lung factor to MMS at the higher doses.
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,146
This is a reply to # 1,106,041
Dear "mysterious number",
Rife technology has NOTHING TO DO with endorphin stimulation, and as been discussed here HUNDREDS OF TIMES, Miracle-Mineral-Supplement DOES NOT COMPROMISE "the bodies defenses". It oxydizes pathogens and allows the bodies immune system to take over and eliminate the waste.
Honestly, if you already had these "THEORIES" about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement hurting you, more than helping, what POSSIBLE REASON would you have for taking Miracle-Mineral-Supplement in the first place?
Hate to say it, but if it LOOKS like a TROLL, TALKS like a TROLL and HIDES like a TROLL.......maybe we've got another TROLL here.
I'm just sayin'....- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,068
This is a reply to # 1,106,056
"Rife technology has NOTHING TO DO with endorphin stimulation, and as been discussed here HUNDREDS OF TIMES, MMS DOES NOT COMPROMISE "the bodies defenses". It oxydizes pathogens and allows the bodies immune system to take over and eliminate the waste."
That's just your opinion. It is an endorphin stimulator. Nothing more, nothing less.
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,187
This is a reply to # 1,106,060
"That's just your opinion. It is an endorphin stimulator. Nothing more, nothing less."
Royal Rife "deactivated" specific pathogens using his MOR (mortal oscillatory rate) frequencies to compromise pleomorphic cells and destroy them through tranmitted radio frequency energy, via a plasma EM wave.
"Endorphins" were never SO MUCH AS MENTIONED in any of Rife's voluminous printed, published, filmed, or recorded works.
EVER.
It's official, Ladies and Gentlemen of Curezone.
WE HAVE A TROLL ! lol.......- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,140
This is a reply to # 1,106,072
""That's just your opinion. It is an endorphin stimulator. Nothing more, nothing less."
Royal Rife "deactivated" specific pathogens using his MOR (mortal oscillatory rate) frequencies to compromise pleomorphic cells and destroy them through tranmitted radio frequency energy, via a plasma EM wave.
"Endorphins" were never SO MUCH AS MENTIONED in any of Rife's voluminous printed, published, filmed, or recorded works.
EVER.
It's official, Ladies and Gentlemen of Curezone.
WE HAVE A TROLL ! lol......."No, endorphins were never mentioned in any of Rife's material because he, like Hulda Clark, believes his own publicity. But that's what the Rife generator (and Hulda's electrical zapper) stimulate. Endorphins are created by the brain during aerobic exercise, meditation, or stimulation through electrical impulses, sound waves, or light frequencies.
Just as in double blind studies of drugs it has been found that the human spirit (not the mind) can cure as much as 60% of the time and it's called the Placebo Effect. If you really believe something will cure you, it will - if you want to be cured. (Many people don't want to be cured and don't realize it because they are not in touch with themselves as spirit.)
A troll? Would I make a six week attempt at MMS getting up to 15 drops twice a day just to be a troll?
http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Cancer/Cancer-news/smh001230rife-a...
Cheating death
Sydney Morning Herald - December 30, 2000
Cancer sufferers have died after putting their faith in a device with electrical parts worth just $15. Ben Hills reports. <snip>
Although unanimously condemned as worthless by mainstream scientists and banned in at least two American States, the highly profitable Rife industry is flourishing in Australia because of a lack of effective regulation, says John Dwyer, the head of medicine at Prince Henry and Prince of Wales teaching hospitals in Sydney. He blames this on "buck-passing" among no fewer than five government agencies supposedly responsible for protecting health consumers (see "Nothing to do with us, say agencies") which have failed to act against promoters of Rife machines and other "cures" he regards as quackery.
The device was invented a century ago by Albert Abrams (1864-1924), an American physician who became a millionaire and was branded by the American Medical Association "the dean of gadget quacks". His theory was that every medical condition was caused by an organism that had a specific frequency - by building a machine to generate and beam that frequency back into the body it would be destroyed, much as an opera singer can shatter a glass.
His research was refined by a Californian pathologist, Raymond Royal Rife (1888-1971), and a New Mexico chiropractor, James Bare, who drew up tables giving the frequency of 30,000 organisms they said caused every condition from dandruff to leprosy, strokes and syphilis. AIDS, for instance, is said to be cured by a frequency of 2,489 kilohertz in as little as three three-minute sessions.
Electronics Australia magazine, which has been campaigning against the gadgets, analysed one and found that it consisted of a nine-volt battery, some wiring, a switch, a timer and two short lengths of copper tubing - components worth about $15. The electrical current delivered was "almost undetectable" and unlikely even to penetrate the skin, let alone kill any organism.
- FRIEND confirmed Hellth
16 y
3,121
J.Crow’s® Lugol’s Iodine
Free S&H.Restore lost reserves.J.CROW’S®Lugol’s Iodine Solut...
Bio Cleanse Detox Kit
”I have recommended it to family and friends already and am sure...
This is a reply to # 1,106,076Earth to MYSTERIOUS NUMBER:
Royal Rife has been dead for nearly 30 years.
I'm not going to defend his brilliant work to someone who knows so little about it, that he/she/it thinks that it's similar to Hulda Clark 's zapper, or can be built for FIFTEEN DOLLARS!....lol
I have nearly $5000.00 in Rife-based equipment that I built myself, and it's STILL nowhere NEAR what Rife was using.
When you find yourself standing in a hole, my little mysterious number friend, the first thing you should try is to STOP DIGGING!
Clearly, this has become a debate. This is my last post on the non-MMS, non-support subject.
- Re: QUACKWATCH?! me1101
16 y
3,640
This is a reply to # 1,106,076You just confirmed what you are trying to deny. People here will know you are not the sort to pick out curezone as your place to learn healing if you use quckwatch as your criteria for informative truth. The guy is an idiot, he thinks all forms of alternative medicine are quackery. He even puts the third largest healthcare category, chiropractic into the "quackery" column. You should find conventional medicine sites to find the treatments you prefer. Why come here? You will find we are adamant about doing our own type of research and making our own decisions.
My dad is on hospice. He got on it a few years ago. Lived too long, got off and got back on. He gets only palliative care. They help with personal hygiene, comfort, preventing sores with pillows, etc, because he is thin. But, they were wrong about death being imminent. Just good old loving care, including that of the hospice nurses helps him. So, that is a place where convention is doing well in our city. But, even they, once they admit their drugs can't help heal, do not panic with tumors or inability to breathe. If there is a crisis we handle it in a non medical way. They will not want you to call 911 or be admitted to the hospital, there is not a thing they can do. We have an emergency box, where in case he is in pain we can administer the proper shots for pain, so medicine used that way is good. But, the thing we learned is that doctors can't do any more than we can, you don't have to get panicked and rush to the hospital.
Many people choose to treat chronic diseases at home without conventional medicine too. They also seek out curezone for ideas to treat themselve and/or family members with other substances that have been found to be of value, whether FDA approved or not. They assume the risk themselves, which is their right, even on behalf of loved ones, which is just as ethical as doing it with chemotherapy or whatever. Obviously the peer reviiewed studies published in JAMA and so for, make chemotherapy work no better. They just choose to accept that fate and use it. Here, most don't. They choose ways they consider less toxic.
It is a matter of the paradigm you live under. One isn't right and the other wrong necessarily.
But, what IS wrong is to come in and invade a place whose ideas are different than yours and try to convince them that you are right and they are wrong. We are doing what we choose to do. Certainly debates within the parameters of the same paradigm are worthy. But, when you bring a viewpoint from the perspective of "Quackwatch" into the picture, you are just in the wrong world. If you want to dabble with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , fine. But, a conventionalist is in my opinion, out of line when he/she tries to convert into the medical paradigm, those who with good reason have abandoned it.- Re: QUACKWATCH?! #76749
16 y
3,202
This is a reply to # 1,106,112
"You just confirmed what you are trying to deny. People here will know you are not the sort to pick out curezone as your place to learn healing if you use quckwatch as your criteria for informative truth."
I didn't find that newspaper article through quackwatch.
I learned about MMS from curezone. It's where I first saw it, it's through the MMS support forum that I heard all the praises, and I don't deny that it works for some people. But it didn't do anything for me. Some people are reporting good results, but from that high activity here on this support group, there really aren't very many reporting positive results.
"But, what IS wrong is to come in and invade a place whose ideas are different than yours and try to convince them that you are right and they are wrong. We are doing what we choose to do."
Whoa... I have in no way invaded the MMS support group with anything negative about MMS other than my own personal experiences - how it hasn't affected me. If one can't report neutral or negative results, then what kind of a support group is it? If you don't like my comments regarding Rife (or Hulda Clark), then let's take it over to a debate forum.
I told a urologist to basically kiss my backside and cancelled prostate surgery after being laboratory tested as having cancer. The doctor actually screamed at me when I cancelled the surgery date but I did what I wanted to do based on my information. I have gone for more than 15 years without medical intervention of my cancer. I have taken my own course in my treatment of cancer and still have my prostate and my PSA levels (measures of potential cancer) are relatively low. If you think that is mainstream, then you have a right to your opinion.
Some 25 years ago I cured an irregular heart beat, on my own, that really bothered me when I jogged. The cardiologist who first diagnosed it via EKG didn't even blink when my then current EKG came out without the irregular heart beat. Never once even asked me a question.
Within the past year I have cured my atrial fibrillation from really severe onsets to nothing at all, and haven't had an episode in 7 or 8 months. I did it on my own, my way, and refused blood thinning medication (standard medical procedure for this condition) in the process. The cardiologist just mumbles when I tell him how I did it.
I have refused antibiotics many times over (except for my MMS induced fever around Christmas time) and cured my own illnesses alternatively.
I agree completely that love can heal many conditions. However, what a lot of people think of as love comes not only with strings attached, but with invasive attributes that do more harm than good.
If this sounds as if I'm relying on allopathic medicine or invading curezone, the please let me know.
- Re: QUACKWATCH?! me1101
16 y
3,279
This is a reply to # 1,106,134This is what I copied from the bottom of your article. So by proxy....
Before trying any "alternative" remedy go to the Web site
http://www.quackwatch.com
I'm glad you have had the personal successes fixing your fibrillation etc. on your own. And it is understood that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement "hasn't helped you one iota" and you don't see any reason to ingest "poison" for no reason. So, I guess you will be trying other things that do work for you. Good Luck. I do think you are interested in your health.
- Re: QUACKWATCH?! me1101
16 y
3,279
- Re: QUACKWATCH?! #76749
16 y
3,202
- FRIEND confirmed Hellth
16 y
3,121
- Hellth ... leave him alone. turiya
16 y
3,032
This is a reply to # 1,106,072time to settle down... I can vouche for 76749 ... he's cool
just because someone uses numbers doesn't mean anything.
seams like you are the one trying to pick the fight... there is really no need to be jumping on each other, here.- Yep... jana
16 y
3,251
This is a reply to # 1,106,083
Heallth,
I appreciate your enthusiasm and knowledge and the way you get involved on the board...
Just try to kinda go easy before you start throwing around troll accusations..
76749 has been around too long to be a troll... and we love him... well, I do, anyway...
there is a way to find out, if the person just registered and is already causing troubles, or if he has been around for a while... just click on his username.
To 76749:
Too bad the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement did not pan out for you the way you expected, but I hope you will stick around or at least visit occasionally... I still remember and feel touched by your life experiences you have shared long ago - thank you for that!!
- Re: Yep... Hellth
16 y
3,065
- Re: Yep... turiya
16 y
2,975
This is a reply to # 1,106,094please edit out that troll remark... the mods at this point may have an itchy trigger finger... appreciate it-thanks...:)-----
Best- Re: Yep... Hellth
16 y
3,006
- Re: Yep... Hellth
16 y
3,006
- Re: Yep... Hellth
16 y
3,127
This is a reply to # 1,106,094
One other thing, although he seemed suspicious in the first place, I still thought that he MIGHT not know about the Rife success with TB nearly 80 years ago.
Boy was I right about that! lol..
But I think that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is so new, that there's going to be a whole new discussion of COMPLIMENTARY therapies with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , because there's been some REMARKABLE success with Rife and Chemotherapy.
In other words, if Rife can work with POISONING the patient, just how much more effective will it be with Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , which actually ENHANCES the immune system?
My problem is, I only have myself and immediate family to try it on, and none of us (by the grace of God) have cancer, or immediate life threatening illnesses. My mother has cancer and is on MMS but uses a variation of the Tesla Coil MWO (multiwave oscillator) and has had remarkable success in multiple areas.
Unfortunately, we live over 1000 miles apart.
Anyway, that was my purpose. I wan't (initially) trying to give "his numbership" a bad time.
- Re: Yep... turiya
16 y
2,975
- Re: Yep... Hellth
16 y
3,065
- Yep... jana
16 y
3,251
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,140
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,187
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,068
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,146
- Re: MMS and Rife (plasma) technology #76749
16 y
3,273
- MMS and Rife (plasma) technology Hellth
16 y
3,580
Expand 13 messages, 21 to 33 of 33 jfh
16 y
3,117
- Re: it's just a lttle odd... EDITED #76749
16 y
3,146
