My Observation... 
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For me i know the cure for Ex Cheilitis but i haven't stopped the cause for me, which is Stomach acid/gas. I have a stomach gas problem. Even though i got Ex Cheilitis from Lip picking i 've come to the conclusion i have a stomach acid/heat type problem fueling my lips to break apart.
I've made some observations.
I'm a mouth breather and i have a white tongue(not due to candida) this is acid reflux/ gas from the stomach. I am constantly belching, have an upset stomach, nausea and fatigue. Those symptoms only occur when i play sports. Now when i sleep i breath through my mouth, always have. I've noticed no matter how much i brush my teeth they are yellowish and i have a white tongue. This is no doubt due to the gas from my stomach. Just this day i played sports. Didn't move my lips but that whitish border appeared. I was breathing through my mouth excessively and that was the outcome. I had no idea that these two problems of mine were connected. I drank a little apple cider vinegar before with water thinking it would help but never.
It works two ways...I'm confident about the cure. I've used Evening primrose Oil in high doses and zinc and my lips reacted.. the skin was tight. As i slept i breath through my mouth and i cancel out the healing process. keratinization is when the skin cell nuclei dies, my stomach gas is killing it.
I need to make the right decision. I don't want to go and buy another product without it being right.
What can "ease" my stomach?
Its difficult.. diet takes dedication but it seems to cost more.
My digestion is fine but my stomach is the issue. I need some help on this.
I assure you Evening Primrose Oil and Zinc is a winning combination. But you have to find your own cause otherwise your wasting your time "curing" your lips.
Can any of you help me on my stomach problem? i don't know why i have it...
thx.
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- Re: My Observation... #64643
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- Re: My Observation... julie819
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,096,611that's so strange, i have a stomach problem too... i have upset stomachs, gas, and lots of other stuff that i'd rather not describe lol. i heard that what happens in your stomach shows up on your lips. maybe if we can figure out how to heal our stomachs, then it will help the healing process of our lips? the only thing i'm not sure about is that i've always had stomach problems, so why would it all of a sudden now cause problems with my lips (my EC didn't come about from lip picking, it came from withdrawal from a lip balm- long story).
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This is a reply to # 1,096,614Hi, like i said i've found my cure but the cause it now the task to overcome.
I just had a stomach problem 2day due to an intense training. It immediately affected my lips and licking wasn't the cause to the white lining where my lips meet. I was breathing through my mouth, i think i have toxicity problems in my stomach, so when i breath it kills off the cells nuclei causing keratinization aka dead skin.
This also happens when i wake up.
I think it is a low acidity problem. Look at the conditions associated with low acidity.
http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/digestiveproblems/a/LowHCL.htm
I'm thankful i have apple cider vinegar, i just took it after more than the first time and it has relieved my stomach.
I need to resolve the cause permanently though. Keep your head up.
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- Re: My Observation... #64643
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This is a reply to # 1,096,620these websites backs up everything i'm thinking...
http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_betainehcl.php
http://www.upnaway.com/~poliowa/Leaky%20Gut.html
scroll down to signs of low stomach acid and causes of low stomach acid..
resolutions for low stomach acid are similar to cheilitis treatments posted on here
-bitter foods
-vitamin B complex
-Multivitamin
-Ginger
Also at the bottom of this link it states lemon juice, acid cider vinegar and hydrochloric acid are used to increase stomach acid. I don't think this is coincidence that these same things have helped people with Ex Cheilitis. We might all simply have a low stomach acidity problem, which puts our lips back into the cycle even though the right products were used. Even though we stop the inflammation the new cells are being killed off(kertinization) by the toxins in the stomach due to low stomach acidity(aka poor digestion). This applies to me and may apply to some of you. You have to find your cause.
Cure + Resolve Cause
two things have to be done. I believe i have found both.
I will continue the use of Evening Primrose Oil in high doses with zinc and restore stomach acid, while nose breathing.
Peace and Bless.- Re: My Observation... alan523
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This is a reply to # 1,096,632i have a white tongue to but my doctor said its just a geographic tongue and its harmless but i dont get any stomach problems or anything.
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This is a reply to # 1,096,632I hope you have found the problem.
What do you mean the primorose worked but was cnacelled out by breathing through you mouth. That would mean it did not work.
First question has primrose/zinc cured your problem?
Has the peeling stopped and are your lips still swollen?
Also the white tongue I think is caused by mouth breathing...
if you hold peroxide in you mouth (over your tongue) for 10 minutes you
will get rid of it..
Let me tell you what I think....
I think this is a dermatis with a sometimes compounded fungal infection or bacterial
infection.
Evening primrose oil has been given a grade of B to help with
psorisis and dermatitis. Thats why I think you are seeing benefits.
No you might need antifungal cream at night like Lotramin(chlotrimazole) on top
of it....
But pls lt me know what the primrose oil has done for you.
Has it stopped the inflamatio nand peeling?
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This is a reply to # 1,096,666My lips weren't peeling and the skin was tightly connected... when i went to training and breathed through MY MOUTH, the white border appeared and my tongue was whiter than usual. The skin became weak. I analyze everything involving Exfoliative Cheilitis, infact this is life's work for me, i've had this since as far back as i can remember.
I agree it is a bacteria problem etc but i think its from the stomach due to low acidity. You may not have an upset stomach like me etc but you should get tested on your stomach ph, it is the cause of many problems that are deemed unknown.
The Evening Primrose Oil and Zinc will repair the lips. I have no doubt.
Me restoring my stomach acid and breathing through my nose will prevent any bacteria and INFLAMMATION from happening during the repair process. Yes, an anti bacterial ointment will further protect the lips, thx for that. It all makes sense.
read this page. it explains what i'm thinking about low stomach acidity.
//www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=973763
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This is a reply to # 1,096,608I got an answer for a mail i sent to a very reputed doctor in london about my condition.... the next day i got a reply from him saying i need to take care of my stomach acid and stomach in general. he prescribed me a couple of medicines(both ayurvedic) meant to treat any stomach ailments,purify blood and a herb for skin diseases. i have been taking it for 20 days now with some apparent imprvment.
You could be right with the stomach gas thing bcos i too have stomach gas and i'm trying to rectify it.
i think there could be so many other causes that hasn't been recognized and substantiated with EC as of yet. Stomach gas could be one of them!!
we need to first address our other health issues, which most of us are avoiding bcause we are in a "EC Curing Centric mode". Be it a trifle acidity or something as serious as kidney stone etc,we need to address all of them first otherwise EC is only going to escalate..
Thank you
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This is a reply to # 1,096,823yeah your right. i've read some people can get confused thinking they have too much stomach acid due to stomach problems such as gas, bloating, nausea etc.. in fact they have low stomach acid , which has the same symptoms. Going on an Alkaline diet with low stomach acid only makes condition worse because food is not being digested properly. You have to restore the stomachs natural ph ... apple cider vinegar is great for that.- Re: My Observation... The Ronin
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This is a reply to # 1,096,849Will PrimeRose Oil & Zinc cure all types of EC or just if you have stomach problems? I'm not sure why I developed EC but these are the probable causes: Using to much suppliments, picking lips for some time, or just worrying too much about my lips. I honestly think my EC is not due to a sto,ach issue but should I try it anyways?- Re: My Observation... #88621
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This is a reply to # 1,097,040I will say I'm confident mine had nothing to do with stomach problems. I've never had any gastric issues.
Crohn's/IBD can cause skin problems. Anxiety can also cause gastric symptoms. Kind of a chicken vs. egg situation.
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- Re: My Observation... ahr
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This is a reply to # 1,096,849The leaky gut syndrome does not necessary mean too much or too high stomach acid.... Its the problem where the intestines are too permeable in that they allow big and small molecules (digested and undigested) to permeate the gut and come into the blood. This leads to hyper immune system where the body attacks these molecules, allergies occur or liver gets overly toxified.... This leads to ezema, fatigue and all bad sorts of stuff. Not sure if this is the cause..its a good hypothesis and there are certain tests. There could be tons of causes....virus....leaky gut....etc.... IT might be challenge to find the cause. Leaky gut could make sense. As could a virus...we need to find the cause. I am going down the virus path.... Just to rule it out. So far with virus route I am taking an anti viral...I noticed lips feel less inflamed. Also taking an anti fungal cream which I think has caused less peeling. I'm not actually sure if its the antifungal cream or anti viral which has caused the reduce inflamation. The trick is to get the vermillion border to stop being inflamed via finding the cause. Once this happens it will resolve. Leaky Gut may be next path.... Here is a good link read about leaky gut ....we need to rule out causes... There are so many reasons that one might have leaky but a manitol test will verify if we do ahve leaky gut at all. Thats what needs to happen next. http://mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,097,237i never said i had leaky gut.. i said i have low stomach acid.. in the webpage i gave it explains the symptoms of low stomach acid and i had those symptoms.
- Re: My Observation... ahr
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This is a reply to # 1,097,273The article you cited said Low stomach acid and leaky gut....
Both are issues.
One way low stomach acid is diagnosed is by low iron and low iron causes
cheilitis. So you might be on to something.
There are some natural remedies....what are you planning to do?- Re: My Observation... #64643
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This is a reply to # 1,097,330take hydrochloric acid aka Digestive enzymes to restore my stomach acidity. As well as taking Evening Primrose Oil and zinc for the chronic inflammation.
- Re: My Observation... ahr
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This is a reply to # 1,097,393Should you not take the digestive enzymes first to see if thats the cause?
If its you do not need the primrose oil.- Re: My Observation... #64643
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This is a reply to # 1,097,429digestive enzymes won't stop the inflammation. EPO/zinc will stop the inflammation.
- Re: My Observation... #69242
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This is a reply to # 1,097,434Well the stomach acid could be one of the reasons. Thats what i meant. I for one can certainly associate my Ec with stomach problem.
I'm currently under the ayurvedic treatment. Ayurveda basically eradicates any imbalances in our body. According to ayurveda any disease is due to some imbalances in our body leading to different ailments. for example a certain imbalance in the body lets say stomach could lead to one or more than one health problem. Ayurveda takes care of the root cause as opposed to curing the symptom.
I'm pretty much hopefull about this. I guess you guys must give it a shot. Find a good ayurvedic docotor in your vicinity. Most of them would be Indian doctors.
Im also going to do a rigiourous yoga(pranayama) to see if it helps. i know people who got their overy cancer cured permanently after they did "pranayama (spelled pra-naa-ya-ma)" for as little as 3 months.
- Re: My Observation... #76783
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This is a reply to # 1,097,553Hmm, I think I have a stomach problem too, but it only happened within the last year. I had EC since around 6-7. I burp a lot, in fact reading through these posts I burped around 5 times. Sometimes before I fall asleep laying on the bed I can burn anywhere from 10-100 times.
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