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which one is gentle and safe, i am very fragile & sensitive.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 105,311Depends on the person. DMPS is better in that it doesn't aggravate candida. Some people can't tolerate DMSA but others find DMSA suits them more.
Unless you have an intolerance to either of them, to reduce any possible side-effects from chelation you have to start on LOW doses and make sure you are taking the right supplements alongside them. Janey did you get some adrenal and thyroid supps?
Anne
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MoreThis is a reply to # 105,313thanx anne..
i was going over andy's book again (for the 100th time). kinda hard with the brain fog...i listed all the supplements he says to take...wow!
may i ask what you take off that list?
also (and i KNOW i musta asked a million times)(brain fog)...how much dmps/dmsa/ala do you take? i'm 5'3 & 126 lbs...and sensitive. how long till you
saw results?
thanx for your patience.
ps..went to a DAM doctor..uh..she had andy's instructions kinda messed up.
good think i went thru the book again..she sold me a ton of vitamins.
janey :(
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Hi Janey,
The supps I mentioned in my last two posts to you are the ones I take. As I've said before you need adrenal and thyroid support. Andy really emphasises this.
I normally take 16/17mg DMSA (never tried DMPS)
12.5mg ALA
I'm having a break from chelation as the last round I did was too difficult and getting my adrenals tested.
Chelation is a long term thing....you wont see major results at first but you'll notice some changes....maybe more energy, less brain fog. OR you could feel worse during a round....more brain fog, mood swings, feeling more tired.
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This is a reply to # 105,317hi again anne..
okay...i've read what you take-thanx.
let me show you a list of things my new doctor gave me..and you tell me what you think. these things have to be taken several times a day (yuck).
here if goes:
citrain ll (multi)
buffered vit C powder
flaxseed
msm
p5'p plus
tmg
vitamin d
zinc piccolinate
tmg & folic
b12 shots
glutiatione cream
folic acid
also, can i ask you..have you ever had the feeling like your brain is throbing?
i know it's weird..but i just started to get this symptom...agh!
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sorry anne..yet another question for you-
i want to go out and buy 'milk thistle'for my liver (i believe it's clogged and i've abused advil about 2 months ago with horrible jaw pain). does it come in certain doses? and how many times a day to gently start off..and...are there any side effects...
thanx so much.
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This is a reply to # 105,318Everything looks fine apart from msm and glutathione cream which are both sulphur compounds and best avoided.
Really though you could have an intolerance to any one of them as can be the case with many us so you wouldn't know if they suit you until you try them.
B12 shots are good.
You still need adrenal and thyroid support and without knowing whats in your multi possibly more minerals eg magnesium and antioxidants. Plus you still have copper as an issue.
Milk thistle is fine, so side effects.
No my brain has never throbbed as such, but I do get strange sensations and a 'tight band' feeling up there!
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This is a reply to # 105,320hi again...
this is a list of what's in the THORNE RESEARCH CITRAMIN II multi:
calcium (as calcium citrate) 300 mg
iodine (as potassium iodide) 120 mcg
magnesium (as magnesium citrate)270 mg
zinc (as zinc citrate)21 mg
selenium (as selenium citrate) 150 mcg
manganese (as chromium citrate) 6 mg
chromium (as chromium citrate)200 mcg
molybdenum (as molybdenum citrate) 90 mcg
potassium (as potassium citrate)90 mg
boron (as boron citrate)3 mg
vanadium (as vanadium citrate) 90 mcg
then on the bottom it says: may contain one or more of the following
hypoallergenic ingredients to fill space-leucine,silicon dioxide.
i have to take this 3 times a day..i haven't started it yet.
i really liked my older vitamin REVIVAL.
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This is a reply to # 105,322any names you can suggest for a good multi without copper?
when i took this multi the doc gave me...it made my brain fog
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This is a reply to # 105,323Janey, the problem with multis is if you get a reaction, you dont know whats causing it. Yes Andy says to be careful with manganese.
The brain fog could be due to the wrong balance eg with your nervousness you probably need more magnesium than calcium.
Also some people cant tolerate potassium.
Or maybe you're having a healing reaction, that can cause brain fog too so it's hard to know. See how you feel after another few days on it.
Sorry I can't suggest any particular multi (I take individual ones)...visit iherb.com and see if there are any which are more suitable with a better balance of minerals or buy individual ones. They have an instant messenger thing where you can ask questions.
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This is a reply to # 105,324thanx again anne. i went to iherb and chatted, but they said they had nothing with no copper in it.
i found this one the web, what do you think? http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=734
anyone know of a copper free vitamin? i don't know if it makes a difference with my vitamin, it has some copper...
today i went back to my regular vitamins:
this is the ingredents for my multi-
SUPPLEMENT FACTS
Serving Size: 6 capsules
amount per serving % Daily Value
Calories(Energy) 10
Total Carbohydrates <1g <1%
Protein <1g <1%
Vitamin A (as Beta Carotene/A Acetate) 5000 IU 100%
Vitamin C (as Calcium Ascorbate) 60mg 100%
Vitamin D (as D Cholecalciferol) 400 IU 100%
Vitamin E (as E Succinate) 30 IU 100%
Vitamin K (as K Phytonadione) 80mcg 100%
Thiamin 1.5mg 100%
Riboflavin 1.7mg 100%%
Niacin (as Niacinamide, Insositol Hexaniacinate) 20mg 100%
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal Alpha Ketoglutarate) 2 mg 100%
Folate (as Folic Acide) 400mcg 100%
Vitamin B12 6mcg 100%
Biotin 300mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid (as D-Calcium Pantothenate) 10mg 100%
Iodine (as Kelp) 150mcg 100%
Magnesium (as Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Malate, Magnesium Citrate) 400mg 100%
Zinc (as Zinc Monomethionine) 15mg 100%
Selenium(as Selenomethionine) 70mcg 100%
Copper(as Copper Chelate, Copper Citrate) 2mg 100%
Manganese (as Manganese Citrate) 2mg 100%
Chromium(as Chromium Polynicotinate) 120mcg 100%
Molybdenum 75mcg 100%
Silicon(as Sodium Meta Silicate) 2mg *
Vanadium(as Vanadyl Sulfate) 10mcg *
Proprietary Enzyme Blend( Amyloglecoside, Amylase, Protease,Acid Protease, Cellulase, Lipase, Lactase) 25mg *
* Daily Value not established.
INGREDIENTS
Firm Foundation Multivitamin & Multimineral: In addition to the contents listed under "Supplement Facts," this product contains the following ingredients: All-natural vegetable capsules (Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose and water) This product is free of animal gelatin, binders, compression agents, fillers, colors, preservatives , flavors, sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, yeast, potassium, phosphorous, chloride, lactose, and dairy products.
then i take calcium,magnesium,vitamin D & C.
why is life so complicated???
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This is a reply to # 105,326thanks wintergreen for the link.
do you take any one of these multi's?
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This is a reply to # 105,328Actually, no. I found it easier to just buy nutrients individually. It really is easier when you have things you want to avoid.
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This is a reply to # 105,344I couldn't better Anne's advice to you. She's written pretty exhaustively on what would be good supplementation given your circumstances. She's pretty knowledgeable, and we have some similar health issues, so I wouldn't expect my input to come from too different an angle than hers.
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This is a reply to # 105,325Hi Janey,
On the face of it the Rockwell one looks good but it doesnt have enough molybdenum in there though, you'll need more than that. Andy recommends taking up to 1000mcg.
If you feel better on your regular one, I would guess it's because it contains no calcium or potassium and has a good dose of magnesium.
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This is a reply to # 105,330should i not be taking calcium?
should i take more magnesium than whats in the multi?
do you think the copper in there is going to really effect me?
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