Hi,
I'm looking for a CureZone forum that is familiar with MAOIs and I'm guessing you folks would know more about it than others. If not, please direct me to the best forum. Here goes.
I am seriously considering a course of Hydrazine Sulfate (HS) which is an anti-cachexia, anti-cancer irreversable MAOI. Dosage is 60 mg. 3 x per day. I've done a bit of reading on HS and am ready to give a whirl but there's one food that doesn't appear on the "forbidden foods" lists for MAOIs but seems to be questionable in the minds of some folks. It's Whey protein powder. There's a vague reference to it in the "MAOI Diet" stating:
At the same site, I found folks discussing Whey protein powder and Tyrosine in particular but no one seemed to have a definitive answer on either:
I also found bodybuilding sites with disclaimers and warnings regarding the use of their whey protein products for those who are on MAOIs:
Muscletein Whey Isolate
Consult a physician or licensed qualified health care professional before using this product...if you are using a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI)
Perhaps the issue with Whey is the conversion of Tyrosine to Tyramine within the human gut but no one has been that specific. But if it is, no one notes a safe range of Tyrosine found in Whey (or any other foods for that matter).
I did find one reference to Tyrosine and MAOIs at LEF.org but no range in grams or milligrams was given. It doesn't appear to be directed to eating foods containing Tyrosine but rather to taking Tyrosine supplements:
Do not take L-tyrosine if you are taking non-selective monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors.
There was a study done in Canada in 1996 that attempted to boil down the forbidden foods list. And Whey was not listed:
The making of a user-friendly MAOI diet
by
Gardner DM, Shulman KI, Walker SE, Tailor SA
Department of Pharmacy, Sunnybrook Health Science Centre,
University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
J Clin Psychiatry 1996 Mar; 57(3):99-104
ABSTRACT
BACKGROUND: Many monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) diets are considered to be excessively restrictive and founded on poor scientific evidence. We present a safe and practical MAOI diet based on the related clinical and analytic data. METHOD: We used a critical review of the literature and our own tyramine assay results to categorize foods to be restricted absolutely, taken in moderation only, or unrestricted. RESULTS: We recommend that users avoid aged cheese; aged or cured meats (e.g., air-dried sausage); any potentially spoiled meat, poultry, or fish; broad (fava) bean pods; Marmite concentrated yeast extract; sauerkraut; soy sauce and soy bean condiments; and tap beer. Wine and domestic bottled or canned beer are considered safe when consumed in moderation. Other foods not mentioned are considered unrestricted. CONCLUSION: The concerns about perpetuating an overly restrictive MAOI diet include the avoidance by prescribers of a potentially useful treatment option, excessive limitations on lifestyle for patients, and increased risk to patients secondary to noncompliance with the diet. We propose an MAOI diet that has a solid scientific and clinical basis and that is, above all, practical.
You see, my only source of protein is plain cold-processed, undenatured whey protein concentrate with no added ingredients. I consume 120 grams per day which yields 2.25 grams of Tyrosine but no Tyramine that I'm aware.
First Question
When I compare the amount of Tyrosine (not Tyramine) in Whey to whole eggs and chicken breast, the Whey is not that much higher than eggs and chicken:
Mg. Tyrosine (not Tyramine) per food gram
5 mg. whole eggs
8 mg. chicken breast
22 mg. whey
So if eggs and chicken are acceptable, why wouldn't Whey be as well?
Second Question
My fear is starting on HS while consuming Whey and having a "sudden onset and violent" stroke. I'm not prepared to take such an irreversible risk. Is it possible to incrementally test for a very mild reaction starting with a small amount of Whey without having a stroke?
Third Question (actually 3)
As an "irreversible" MAOI, I've read that it may take 10-20 days for the drug to be cleared from the body.
Does 10-20 days sound right?
Am I then able to resume eating "forbidden foods" at that point?
How long must I wait to let any "forbidden foods" to clear out of my body before starting an MAOI?
Fourth Question
If anyone is taking lots of pure undenatured whey with a MAOI, I'd love to hear your experience.
Thanks!