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Orthodox medicine fully recognizes cholesterol gallstones. RN EDUCATIONAL by Johnny Vegas 19 y
That served to remind me that the ’medically orthodox’ (so to speak) among the posters here have a very clear idea of what consitutes gallstones: they are hard, calcified stones, typically but not invariably black. As someone who is knowledgeable about orthodox medicine, orthodox medicine fully reocgnizes more than one class of gallstone. Orthodox medicine acknowledges that most gallstones are *cholesterol* stones (80%). Cholestrol is a soft waxy substance. There are other classes of gallstone too including calcified/pigment gallstones. Lay people often think that gallstones only ref ... 33,538 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: colour of gallstones
RRR by Spirit 19 y
I have a few questions and I need a honest answer. Questions for dci hall: 1. Do you know what Bilirubin and Biliverdin are? Please explain. 2. Did you know that when combined with other bile ingredients, color of bilirubin can be yellow or orange or red or brown or black ? 3. Did you know that when combined with other bile ingredients, color of biliverdin can be green or blue? 4. Did you know that cholesterol can be white in color? 5. Did you know that color of bilirubin combined with calcium from bile can be dark brown or even black in color? 6. Can you tell me how ... 32,302 hits
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Re: Great explanation and very interesting. by JohnnySmith 18 y
Good info. Thanks for sharing. Also..... from: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/ ”Other Factors It is believed that the mere presence of gallstones may cause more gallstones to develop. However, other factors that contribute to gallstones have been identified, especially for cholesterol stones. * Obesity. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones, especially in women. A large clinical study showed that being even moderately overweight increases the risk for developing gallstones. The most likely reason is that obesity tends to reduce the amount of ... 4,578 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Re: Effect of peppermint on gallstones by MENDOMAID 13 y
Just type the words pepperming gallstones in your browser and search. Here’s some results How to Dissolve Gallstones Naturally | eHow.com Consult your doctor for advice before beginning a regimen of peppermint oil. Certain types of gallstones may not respond well to peppermint oil. www.ehow.com/how_5679136_dissolve-gallstones-naturally.htmlPeppermint He also advises against its use with gallstones, although in Europe it is used for gallstones. Peppermint is contraindicated for hiatus hernia because of its ... www.juniperandsage.com/materia/peppermint.phpPeppermint - What You ... 4,792 hits
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Re: Minerals in liver stones from flush when not using ep... by plzchuckle 17 y
My inspection of my gallstones have been visual except on a few occassions when I first started. The soap-stone theory and now this ... pfffft ... explain to me the spontaneous flushes that I have experienced and the stones that look precisely like the ones I get during flushing, or better yet, when I fell 8’ out of the attic and passed what I recognized as gallstones that evening!! I also passed 20+ 1” gallstones that looked exactly like the ones the dr put in a medicine bottle for my mother after her gallbladder removal surgery. Gallstones are gallstones are gallstones. As for th ... 2,111 hits
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SCIENCE: Are green blobs baby gallstones? by Dr Huna 19 y View First 20 Messages of 111
Does anyone know the stages that a gallstone goes through, in the process of becoming a gallstone? I posted a comment about my own green blobs below, and how they consisted of fat/oil, and a poster responded that, whatever they were, they were not gallstones. That served to remind me that the ’medically orthodox’ (so to speak) among the posters here have a very clear idea of what consitutes gallstones: they are hard, calcified stones, typically but not invariably black. But presumably gallstones don’t spring, fully-formed, full-sized, fully-calcified into the gallbladder - they have ... 41,442 hits
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Re: Cholesterol stones by Jerome99 13 y
According to everything I’ve seen online, cholesterol stones are a form of gallstone. I don’t know why everyone is so hellbent on claiming that the greenish-yellow lumps that most of us expel during liver flushes are not ’true’ gallstones. (Not directed at you, just stating generally) ”The two types of gallstones are cholesterol stones and pigment stones. Cholesterol stones are usually yellow-green and are made primarily of hardened cholesterol. They account for about 80 percent of gallstones. Pigment stones are small, dark stones made of bilirubin. Gallstones can be as small as a grai ... 4,335 hits 3 of 3 (100%)
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Are large gallstones safe to flush by plumblossom 16 y View Entire Thread 6
My 79 yr. old mother needs to flush a gallstone that is 2.67 centimeters. She had a gallstone attack and had an ultrasound that measured the gallstone. The gallstone must have moved because her pain subsided after 8 hours. She is debating if she should have it surgically removed because her gallstone is so large. Is the cure safe for someone her age with a stone that is 2.67 centimeters long? Any difficulties? Anything to be extra careful about? She is taking a paracleanse to prepare for the gallstone cure. I have the the cure many times (flushed 2,000) with no difficulty but the ... 4,332 hits
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Re: about this liver flush thing... by Hveragerthi 14 y
Wouldn’t you like to test these "stones" to see what was in them? I have seen a number of posts here and elsewhere where people did have them tested and they were not real gallstones. The few people that claim they sent them off and say they were gallstones generally state things like the lab stated they have "the appearance of gallstones". This is far from being gallstones. Both cholesterol based gallstones and the pseudo gallstones formed in the intestine from the flushes contain cholesterol. So of course they have a similar appearanc ... 4,720 hits 0 of 2 (0%)
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One Man's Bread Is Another Man's Poison by White Shark 7 y
Thanks for posting this message. Yes it is true. One Man’s Bread Is Another Man’s Poison What can help and cure one person, can hurt or kill another. The unfortunate thing for most people suffering from gallstones and from gallstones attacks is that The low fat diets are suggested in order to avoid gallstones attacks. Unfortunately, The low fat diets are one of the most common cause of gallstones. Fat in diet is needed to keep the bile flowing. Once you restrict fat in diet, bile gets stagnant in the gallbladder and even if you did not have gallstones, you can get t ... 6,953 hits
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Re: Study: Dietary fish oil prevents gallstone formation ... by Telman 14 y
There are loads of these articles and it is so difficult to sort out the ones that are significant. In this article the the supplement was 200 mg/kg per day the omega-3 fatty acids from eicosapentaenoic aka EPA found in fish oil and human milk and docosahexaenoic acid, aka DHA which is also found in fish but can be manufactured. The antilithogenic may be due to an enhancement in the stability of biliary phospholipid-cholesterol vesicles. The conclusion is that fish oil may be of benefit to people with a high risk for gallstone formation or gallstone recurrence. Note that fish oil omega- ... 5,792 hits
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SCIENCE: Gallstones can not be expelled from gallbladder!... BSA EDUCATIONAL by White Shark 18 y View Entire Thread 8
We have all heard it almost every time someone mentions liver flush: Gallstones can not be expelled from gallbladder! Fact or Fiction? Is there any solid evidence that Gallstones can exit gallbladder? If there was any solid evidence that Gallstones can exit gallbladder, why would any doctor claim that gallstones CAN NOT exit gallbladder? Answer: Fact and Fiction. Fact: Some gallstones can exit gallbladder. Fiction: All gallstones can exit gallbladder. (Rare stones can be even larger then 2 inch (5Cm) in smallest diameter) Fiction: Gallstones ... 130,934 hits 4 of 4 (100%)
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Who need studies? Can Gallstones exit gallbladder? RN EDUCATIONAL by White Shark 15 y
Who need studies? The real question is: ”Can some Gallstones exit gallbladder and move to intestines?” The answer to this question is: Yes. Some gallstones, those that have smallest diameter SMALLER then the smallest diameter of the bile ducts (including but not limiting to cystic duct & sphincter of oddi), those gallstones can exit gallbladder. ”How do we know that Gallstones can exit gallbladder?” Read here: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=757387 ”Can all gallstones exit gallbladder and move to intestines?” The answer to this question is: No. S ... 7,513 hits
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Re: Size of the gallstone VS. size of the bile duct by Telman 15 y
The average bile duct is about 6mm measured at rest, that is without the gallbladder being contracted. Because the common bile is sealed at one end by a circular muscle when the gallbladder contracts the diameter of the bile duct expands a little. The circular muscle called the sphincter of oddi relaxes and tightens allowing the bile to spurt into the duodenum. When you take a strong solution of Epsom salts it relaxes this muscle allowing he passage of particles including calcified gallstones. People with gallstones often (but not always) a larger than normal bile duct diameter usually ... 42,278 hits
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Re: Liver flushing question by Hveragerthi 15 y
No, not necessarily. The presence of cholesterol is also going to play a major role as the sterols in the olive oil have a very strong binding affinity for cholesterol. The sterol-cholesterol complex therefore can play a role in the formation of the ”stones”. You ought to read this: http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm ”Gallstone Flush People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited to ”flush” them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of water. It was a nice idea, and ... 6,095 hits 0 of 2 (0%)
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Re: Liver cleanse problems R by Telman 14 y
There isn’t a great choice when you have gallstones; either have surgery or try to expel it by liver-flushing. You must take the Epsom salts for gallstone removal and follow a protocol like Hulda Clarke. It does take some time and a great deal of dedication. The Chinese hospital use a similar protocol combined with drugs you may like to read about it here: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gallstones.htm Good luck and keep the faith 3,471 hits
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Re: Brand New....Please Help... by lynne0619 21 y
Then liver stones are the same as gallstones? That would certainly make sense. There certainly is no argument from anyone that gallstones exist. I didnt realize when you talk about liver stones they are really in the gallbladder. Is that correct then? There were plenty of gallstones in the picture of the digestive system on the wall at the doctor’s offices - it showed a gallbladder almost totally filled with gallstones. 2,626 hits
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Re: How do I include a photograph?
by irastus 21 y
First, you need to upload your picture(s) to the web (beware some free hosts like geocities do not allow hotlinked photos). You can’t post it directly from your PC. Most internet accounts these days come with a free web site account. Once the picture is uploaded to the web, point to the picture’s location in the ”Image URL” box below. examples: http://www.yoursite.com/gallstones.jpg http://www.yoursite.com/pictures/gallstones.jpg 1,416 hits
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Re: PICTURES DO LIE Mistaken Girl by resurrectionist 19 y
looking at the pictures here (now my screen has been repaired) the pictures on this site of bona fide gallstones look different from the pictures of the products of the liver flush (as would be expected). the pictures from the Swiss surgical team show some gallstones that look green due to bile on the surface - if washed off the stone would look like every other gallstone - yellow-white, black or brown. the ”blue” gallstone is just showing refraction - the same principle on which some moles look blue (although melanin is definetely NOT blue) and veins look blue (just as venous blood is NOT ... 30,288 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Re: Are green blobs baby gallstones? by resurrectionist 19 y
of course the green blobs are not gallstones, baby or otherwise. gallstones are yellow-white, black or brown. they are hard and do not float. since the maximum diameter of the normal common bile duct is 8mm, the only way a gallstone that is 2 or 3 cm can pass into the bowel is via a fistula between the gallbladder and the bowel, which risks gallstone ileus. These green blobs have been analysed as far back as 1990, and the results written up in a reputable journal. 30,212 hits
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Re: gallstone ileus by Johnny Vegas 19 y
but I note one poster argues that gallstone ileus proves that gallstones are passed. Of course anyone who really knows what gallstone ileus is would know that is not the case. Can you please post some links please (to the message), so we can actually see what you are talking about? Just because one person doesn’t know what gallstone ileus is, or mis-uses the term doesn’t mean that *everyone* is ignorant. JV. 2,738 hits
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gallstone ileus by resurrectionist 19 y View Entire Thread 20
Its obvious that the posters here generally do not know what gallstone ileus is. Why this is when there are ample web articles on the subject I don’t know, but I note one poster argues that gallstone ileus proves that gallstones are passed. Of course anyone who really knows what gallstone ileus is would know that is not the case. Censorship and curezone if googled turns up several mentions of censorship on this site which must bring into question the motto ”educating instead of medicating” (presumably taking Epsom salts is not medicating)? 3,094 hits
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Alchol reduces the risk of gallstones. by em 20 y
Plenty of tests have been done to prove it, including one involving a 10 year survey of 46,000 men aged 40-75 and found an inverse association between average daily intake of wine, beer or spirits and risk of gallstones. The researchers conluded ”These results suggest that frequent, moderate intake of alcohol decreases the risk of symptomatic gallstone disease, in contrast to infrequent or episodic alcohol intake.” All types of alcoholic beverages were found to be protective against gallstone disease, but they specifically noted that compared to abstinence, moderate intake of wine was ... 3,022 hits
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Re: Don't friends and family tick you off!! by shawnsent 18 y
yeah i know most of the people working for medical fields are brain washed they just have too much pride in them selves i hope they get gallstones LOL um if you get a chance tell them to fast or eat irregularly for a while so they get gallstones i believe you get gallstones when you fast or eat so called healthy food with no fat non fat eater have more gallstones than the fat eater!!! its true 2,096 hits
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Re: Can you really trust ultrasounds? by Jeanne 21 y
To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com From: gingsong@****** Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:43:24 EDT Subject: Re: [gallstones] ultra sound proof - A very important question /john Reply-To: gallstones@yahoogroups.com My experience of ultra sounds of the gall bladder comes from my aunt who had the classic symtoms, but her ultra sound showed no gall stones. The doc removed the gall bladder, and found gallstones. So to me the ultra sound is not the first and last word on whether or not one has gall stones. Jeanne 43,392 hits
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Re: Silent Stones by truestones 20 y
Here’s a study from a University that I found on another list. In this study, people selected at random in the population were checked for gallstones once, and then again 10 years later. Since subjects were selected at random, this would also include people who are asymptomatic(people who have no symptoms) and have silent stones. It looks like about 3% of the population developed gallstones during that time(not a huge percentage). If 3% of the population develops gallstones every 10 years and if hypothetically life expectancy is 75, then there would be about 3%*75years/10 years=23% ... 1,982 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Re: misinformation re gallstones by Five 17 y
Gallstones are: The two types of gallstones are cholesterol stones and pigment stones. Cholesterol stones are usually yellow-green and are made primarily of hardened cholesterol. They account for about 80 percent of gallstones. Pigment stones are small, dark stones made of bilirubin. Gallstones can be as small as a grain of sand or as large as a golf ball. The gallbladder can develop just one large stone, hundreds of tiny stones, or almost any combination. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/index.htm#whatare 8,682 hits 2 of 2 (100%)
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Re: Gallstones; Surgery or NOT??? by Telman 16 y
You have medium sized ’opaque gallstones’ that will pass easily with liver flushing. However, these stones are not the cause of your symptoms. Many people live quite comfortably with these types of gallstones without any symptoms at all. Unless you specific medical evidence of a gallstone stuck in the neck of the gallbladder or white stool etc, then what makes you different from another person who has the same symptoms but no gallstones? It may not be the gallstone causing the problem. Gallbladder surgery is 60% successful. The actual surgery is safe, you will leave hospital and feel be ... 5,360 hits 1 of 1 (100%)
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Re: Cause of Liver and Gall stones by Telman 13 y
Gallstones are usually a sign of something else. There are two main types of gallstones: 1. Cholesterol gallstones caused by high concentration of cholesterol in the bile, low bile salts or sluggish gallbladder that doesn’t contract properly. 2. Pigment gallstones usually cause by a single event such as illness, infection etc. Both types of gallstones can become covered in calcium and in some cases calcium gallstones form around crystals in the bile. There are other ways of categorising stones. 2,023 hits
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Re: Gallstones by carriefuller 13 y
Hi Gallstones are hard, pebble-like deposits that form inside the gallbladder. Gallstones may be as small as a grain of sand or as large as a golf ball. The cause of gallstones varies. There are two main types of gallstones: * Stones made out of cholesterol. Gallstones made out of cholesterol are by far the most common type. Cholesterol gallstones have nothing to do with the cholesterol levels in the blood. * Stones made from too much bilirubin in the bile. Bile is a liquid made in the liver that helps the body digest fats. Bile is made up of water, cholesterol, bile salts, and o ... 1,857 hits
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Re: lecithin? by scoobydoowashere 12 y
I realize I am posting this a long time after your message, however, I just read that gallstones CAN be dissolved using Lecithin AND cholic acid. See below link for more info: http://www.supplementnews.org/wiki/phosphatidyl_choline If I am not allowed to post links, then this is the text: -- Phosphatidylcholine as soybean lecithin has demonstrated the ability to dissolve gallstones when used in combination with cholic acid. A study of 7 patients with radiolucent gallstones and 2 patients with radiolucent calculi in the biliary tree was conducted using 2250 milligrams (mg) of lecithin ... 4,864 hits
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Re: [gallstones] gallstones are formed in the liver by Jlvs2run 22 y
and will never soften by dieting or the flushing method. So, therefore, you need to have the doctors take them out. Right? I believe in your good intentions, but I don’t believe the doctors. I believe they lied to you. I believe the gallstones are dissolved with proper diet. I believe the gallstones can be flushed. And I believe many people have proven and continue to prove that they are. 4,604 hits
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Gallstone Flush
by Hveragerthi 14 y
View Entire Thread 6http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone Gallstone Flush People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited to "flush" them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of water. It was a nice idea, and interesting things will appear in the toilet bowl soon after. But I’m afraid that they’re not your gallstones. Here’s why: Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the picture on the links below, or else shaped li ... 5,932 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Clinical pathologist confirms that liver flushes are a hoax
by Hveragerthi 14 y
View Entire Thread 13This is a real doctor with some really valid points: http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone Gallstone Flush People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited to "flush" them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of water. It was a nice idea, and interesting things will appear in the toilet bowl soon after. But I’m afraid that they’re not your gallstones. Here’s why: Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the o ... 4,863 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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People who have gallstones by truestones 20 y
Here’s a study to find out what kind of people have gallstones. It’s an interesting read. Looks like those with gallstones tend to have higher Body Mass Indexes and eat more sugar and fats. read on... Gallstones linked to lifestyle Study implicates sugar, fat, lack of exercise in chronic medical condition http://www.buffalo.edu/reporter/vol30/vol30n22/n5.html By LOIS BAKER News Services Editor The Western lifestyle of little exercise, lots of saturated fat, loads of refined sugar and little fiber is a major risk factor for the development of yet another chron ... 1,235 hits 0 of 1 (0%)
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Disappearing gallstones: Report of 2 cases (p.101-103) by... BSA SUCCESS by White Shark 15 y View Entire Thread 2
The science is slowly catching up. After many years of doctors claming that gallstones can not exit gallbaldder, now they finally decided to change their mind. Disappearing gallstones: Report of 2 cases (p.101-103) by Robin Gray http://www.bjs.co.uk/bjsCda/cda/microJournalArticleDetail.do;jsessionid=ADD22B122E14F52438C8905AD202C339?DOI=10.1002/bjs.1800610206&issueDOI=10.1002/bjs.v61:2&vid=2 Abstract Two cases of disappearance of gallstones confirmed by operation are described. It is suggested that a contributory factor in the disappearance Was the Patient’s adherence t ... 20,400 hits
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Re: an ultrasound and a flush by Telman 14 y
Ultrasound examination vary a great deal depending upon the equipment used and the skill of the examiner. If the machine was the normal type the sensor will have been used on the outside of your abdomen. There are also ultra sound sensors that can examine the gallbladder from the stomach wall; ie, inside. In general terms ultra sound is good enough to detect all gallstones that reflect sound including cholesterol gallstones. In addition it can detect biliary sludge and also measure the diameter of the common bile duct which is an indicator of gallstone activity. However, the definition ... 1,917 hits
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High fat diet does not contribute to gallstones formation! by White Shark 8 y
High fat diet does not contribute to gallstones formation. At least not diet high on natural, unprocessed, healthy fats! Low fat diet is far more likely to contribute to gallstones formation in most people, as it slows down flow of bile, increasing chances of gallstones formation. Consumption of natural meat is in no way linked to gallstones formation. Consumption of processed fats like margarine, hydrogenated fats, processed foods, processed meats is linked to gallstones and liver problems and is linked to just about any health problems, as we are not designed to eat indus ... 1,711 hits
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Cholesterol coagulation requirements.-ed by Savagegrace 18 y
Hey Telman, Glad to see you’re still around! Thanks for the literal corrections. For those who want Telman’s full post of this: (Required reading by the way....;-) http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=766777#i Key points: Cholesterol Gallstones form when the cholesterol concentration in the bile exceeds the ability of the bile to hold it in soluble form. Here I perceive Telman may dislike my use of saturated and supersaturated which deals with crystals vs. using it with cholesterol ball formation. What needs to be understood is that the melting point ”will” not ... 3,006 hits
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Re: How do the stones get there? by flimbs 20 y
It’s not just about dusty stuff. A big reason why north americans get gallstones is because of ANIMAL FATS!!! We eat lots of heavy duty meats. Here’s a good posting: (http://health.iafrica.com/illness_condition/gastrointestinal/29107.htm) Why do gallstones form? Gallstones seem to form in response to a number of factors, including body chemistry, body weight, gallbladder motility and perhaps diet. Cholesterol gallstones form when the bile contains an abnormally high proportion of cholesterol in relation to bile salts. In addition to this infrequent or incomplete emptying o ... 4,548 hits
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