ES is shorthand for Epsom salts also known as magnesium sulphate   [End]
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There are a number of protocols to achieve a liver flush. The original flush involved only lemon juice and olive oil. The Hulda Clarke method adds the use of Magnesium Sulphate, but there are several other well-tried protocols, some of which advocate the use of magnesium citrate. For example, the Dave Frahm protocol. The magnesium will relax the smooth muscle. One advantage of magnesium sulphate is that in sufficient concentration, 25mg/100ml on an empty stomach will on its own contract the gallbladder by an average of 30%. This is why it has a good reputation as a cure for gallbladd ...
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1 teaspoon of magnesium sulphate powder weighs 4.4g and yields 10% or 440mg 1 tablespoon = 3 x 440 (1320mg) 4 tablespoons = 4 x 1320 (5280mg) I have weighed this accurate today and the main variable is that magnesium sulphate can absorb water and there is a 10% error. 1 teaspoon of magnesium citrate powder is stated as weighing 3g and yields 12 to 15 % or 360 - 450 mg 1 Tablespoon = 3 x 360 (1080mg) to 3 x 450 (1350mg) 4 Tablespoons = 4 x 1080 (4320mg) to (5400mg) I would stick with 4 tablespoons of Magnesium Citrate. The aim of the liver flush is to expel bile so that the li ...
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The amount of magnesium in magnesium citrate is about 12% or 1/8th For Magnesium sulphate, it’s 10% or 1/10th Consequently, it’s roughly the same, taking into account the fact that people have a different threshold. You have started an important process, and I wish you better health. Well done   [End]
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I believe I’ve kept the forum up to date with most developments in relation to my digestive issues. When I was referred to a consultant at a top London teaching hospital several years ago, I became his pet guinea pig. He carried out several very extensive test, including an intestinal MRI and we both learn’t that I had an asynchronous peristalsis in my bowel causing CIPO with secondary cholelithiasis, and also a spontaneous lateral ventral hernia. Leading on from that, my name was put forward to a study on connective tissue disorders at the same hospital, and I am currently being studied b ...
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Read it An interesting volume from 1965 which contains sage advice. Some it has been improved upon since as our understanding has increased. I am currently within a genetics trail within the UK and they are unearthing some great information. Thanks Telman   [End]
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Well done.Hugs all round.   [End]
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Maybe someone will have something helpful for me this time? Hmmmm I can only make suggestions and wonder if you are dumping? Gastric dumping can cause a diabetic response with drops in sugar levels, low blood pressure, headaches and vomiting. It is caused by the stomach emptying too quickly. It has two phases, early dumping 30 minutes after eating and late about 2 to 3 hours later. Although it is normally associated with gastric surgery, it can just happen. Have a good holiday, regards Telman   [End]
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Hi Unfortunately, after 8 years and such low activity it is very unlikely that you will receive a targeted reply from the originator of the post. Take time to read through the forums because you may find some answers but I am guessing that you need to chat in which case twitter may be a better option. Regards Telman   [End]
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Hi Alice I vent the toilet so that there is plenty of fresh air circulating and sometimes use a good quality air freshener. As my liver became cleaner, I found that odour is less of a problem. Telman also UK   [End]
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Hi You have responded to a message that is 18 years ago and the posted hasn’t been active for 7 years. There are indeed several good articles on the web. When to take a magnesium supplement depends on why you want to take it because it is in a composite form. If you are taking it as a food supplement as magnesium lactate or magnesium chlorate, then they are usually taken with the meal.   [End]
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I asked to be referred to a consultant, which is my right if the General Practitioner (GP) can not resolve the problem. I was also regurgitating food because my digestion was so slow and the abdominal pain was so intense 4 hrs after eating that I had to lie down. My sleep was also disturbed. In summary; severe pain, disrupted sleep and inability to keep food down meets the requirement to see a consultant. It is also worth mentioning that it had been 5 years since I first consulted with my GP with mild symptoms. Regards Telman   [End]
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A large proportion of the population have gallstones in the gallbladder, which are usually found during scans for other medical problems. In many people they don’t cause any problems, but sometimes they obstruct the opening of the gallbladder as this results in a very uncomfortable stitch like pain. If the gallbladder struggles to contract, it can also cause inflammation of the gallbladder lining and this results in a burning pain, this can usually be detected with a blood test that shows elevated C-reactive protein (CRP). Mostly the obstruction clears itself, but sometimes it can be too l ...
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There are three conditions that determine whether you have gallstones. 1. Elevated liver markers in the blood such as albumin and bilirubin. Elevated blood works such as yours indicate that somewhere in the body may be some infection. 2. Pain in the upper right quadrant that radiates outwards as in intensifies. 3. Thickening of the gallbladder walls. Ultrasound in the right hands is very good at detecting gallstones but the doctor should send you to see a consultant if the symptoms continue and they affect you life and sleep. You need a clear plan to get your doctor to send you to a ...
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Andreas Moritz says in his book that magnesium deficiency can be caused by poor bowel health. I also believe that it’s important to improve gut health before liver-flushing. This always leads to the question, what should one eat? This is the big question, and apart from not eating junk and refined food, the diet is determined by your genetic make-up, dietary history, past medications, etc. You have to experiment and treat all advice as guidance, not rules. There are primary and secondary enteroliths (AKA stones). Primary ones come from the biliary system and secondary ones from the bowe ...
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I did a simple search on the web and quickly discovered a number of articles. They show that magnesium deficiency is commonly found in liver disease and conversely low magnesium serum levels have an adverse effect on the liver. Here is one of the links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6861788/   [End]
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I’ve been through this exact same conversation with doctors, but my personal practitioner has always been against surgery to remove my gallbladder. I had sludge from my first ultrasound, and it was still there 12 months later. Furthermore, I didn’t have an ultrasound for another 8 years, even though I had an occasional biliary attack. That ultrasound showed no sludge, but instead it reveals that the bile was crystallizing in the ducts, which I have to assume was the primary problem. There are just as many risks involved in having the gallbladder removed as keeping it, so it’s a personal ...
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If you have biliary sludge confirmed by ultrasound, you may need more than the occasional liver flush. From folks have reported in the past, 9 flushes would appear the minimum. As you go through the cleansing programme, you will see the stones change in shape and consistency. The flush potion is very powerful, even if you take half the recommended. The Epsom salt solution needs to of sufficient strength to contract the gallbladder as well as being a laxative. I would recommend having a high strength dose pre-potion and a lesser dose afterwards. In respect of your migraines, have you ...
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Hi Comedianoob Sorry I am so late in replying to your post but the site is going through some sort of evolution and I haven’t been able to access. I am worried that you are doing too much on your own and that whole process has become an obsession. I know how difficult it is when your body just doesn’t feel right, but we have all had these feelings. Don’t lose sight of the basic principles and validate your thoughts, as it is very easy to become obsessive about ones own health. I can also become a method of control in a world that seems out of control. In respect of your liver-flus ...
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This is all I get from Curezone since 12/01/2022 Microsoft SQL Server Native Client 11.0 error ’80040e31’ Query timeout expired /forums/f3.asp, line XXX (where XXX is a line in a forum, eg 746)   [End]
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I would remind you that this is a liverflush support forum. Despite following the liverflush regime for 100s of flushes you only find the urge to post now. Don’t you think that the liverflushing has put you into a good position that you can now try other therapies? If you had started the Betaine Hydrochloride without initially without liverflushing would you be in the position you find yourself in today? People are not liverflushing for the same reason there are many conditions that may benefit from liver cleansing. I have enterolithiasis, are you saying that if I abandoned liverflushi ...
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Once the mind starts to question the presence of parasites, it is better just to carry the parasite-cleanse. It’s very easy to do, and then you can move on. It will stop parasites becoming an obsessive thought. One has to live a life and fit in the cleansing at the same time. You have got to be sociable and have relationships etc. Otherwise, you will enter a downward cycle of health anxiety. Our gut health has such an enormous amount of influence over our metal health. The gut and the liver are also inexplicably connected via the enterohepatic cycle. Thee advocated order of cleansing ...
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You flush every two weeks until you get no more stones for 3 consecutive flushes. At this point you should consider yourself clear, and you can go onto a maintenance programme it you feel it’s necessary. If you are still feeling bad, and you suspect it’s the liver, there are a number of conditions that affect the liver. Some are beyond the scope of the cleansing protocols but sometimes because liver function is dependent on the gut and good circulation of bile any problems with the intestines, particularly the ileum, will result in biliary dysfunction. For example, poor circulation o ...
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Hi Jules Much of the debate surrounding Lecithin is 10 to 15 years old because they didn’t become mainstream and the evidence supporting them was thin. One also may need to take several grams to get the desired effect for bile saturation. Regards Telman   [End]
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This question has been asked in the past and there hasn’t been a definitive answer. Lecithin granules are readily available not only in the health store but also some major supermarkets. I can’t remember, and also can’t find any negative post about using lecithin granules and because they are in granule form you can take as much as you want. Consequently, you can start small and monitor your response. If you search curezone for lecithin you will be able to read all the past posts, follow the link below: https://www.curezone.org/forums/search.asp?q=lecithin&action=Find   [End]
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Good report back which is appreciated. Electrolytes and water are interdependent, as they will exist in the blood stream in a ratio. If one goes up, the others are adjusted. The best source of electrolytes is intercellular fluid found in fruit a veg. If potassium goes up or down, it causes neuromuscular effects. High sodium stiffens the blood arteries and cause heart anomalies that feel like anxiety. If bicarbonate levels become elevated, this can cause general muscular weakness, irregular heartbeats, and poor function of ileum. This makes sleeping difficult with squirming legs and bad ...
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No, I haven’t had to supplement with iodine because my problems are gut and biliary related. I have known respected people on curezone that have taken iodine supplements and swear good by them. That will be discussed in the iodine forum. Liver-flushing is a personal choice and there are several protocols to choose from. The Hulda Clarke can quite disruptive, but the Dave Frahm protocol is more suitable to biliary maintenance. It can be found on this link: https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=182920#i Telman   [End]
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I would recommend that you get your thyroid function tested if you can. There is a link between low thyroid functioning and gallbladder problems The lack of a thyroxine which is the result of low thyroid (AKA Hypothyroidism) decreases liver function. This changes to the bile, making it thick and saturated, and impairs it by slowing its rate of flow. Hair loss and depression is also associated with low thyroid. There is also a condition called Hashimoto’s disease, which is worth reading up. It can cause the symptoms you describe.   [End]
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There are plenty of examples of ”Gallbladder Meridian Stretches” if you carry out a search. I use the posture stretch illustrated on this link: https://www.curezone.org/upload/Liver_Flush/Telman/Gallstretch.jpg   [End]
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Hi Jules105 I had the same thoughts when I started the liver flush protocol. The parasite cleanse is relatively easy to do and is part of the body cleansing program. 1. Parasite Cleanse + Tapeworms & Ascaris Cleanse 2. Bowel Cleanse 3. Kidney Cleanse 4. Liver Cleanse You may be correct that your cleansing has got to a stage where the digestive system is operating more naturally and this has encouraged the biliary system to function better, forcing out some sludge (stones). When I had my first ultra-sound, it didn’t show any stones, just sludge. However, after several flushes ...
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Hi An ultrasound is a very useful tool to find out fairly accurately what is going on in the gallbladder. It can tell you if you have gallstones and how big they are. It can also detect biliary sludge and crystallization of bile in the ducts. An important metric is the thickness of the gallbladder wall and where the thickening occurs. It will allow you to make a qualified decision. I have had attacks but have never opted to go to hospital because they are only ever going to do one thing; take the gall bladder out. Surgeons carry out thousands of these operations every year, and it ke ...
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I assume you are flushing to cure depression, but the liverflush is used to assist the lifestyle changes that are essential in beating this illness. You need to concentrate on the big picture of depression and not on the more trivial aspect of counting stones, which can be obsessive. The anger that you describe isn’t good for you. Andreas Moritz talks about depression being a result of toxins, hormone imbalance, drugs, medication, good nutrition, stress, alcohol. As a cure he suggests a wholesome diet, relaxation, exercise, being outdoors, avoiding metals, socialising and joining in, good ...
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Have to looked into Ayurveda body types and appropriate foods? https://www.ayurveda.com/resources/food-and-nutrition/food-guidelines   [End]
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The general advice is to just keep going until you have succeeded in doing 9 to 12 flushes in all. The principle of following the protocol is more important than counting stones. I like to see the live-flush as part of a lifestyle change; you have to make improvements to your diet and way of living, which assists in cleansing the organs. Your diet needs to be such that you are not compromising the function of the gut and in particular that you drink sufficient fluid every day. Poor hydration puts the electrolytes out of balance. More specifically you could consider increasing the Epsom ...
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I have experienced this on more than one occasion. If it is painful then take a strong solution of Epsom salts, 25 grams per 100 ml. If it isn’t painful then wait as long as you can, at least a week, preferably 2 weeks, and then do another flush if the pale stools are continuing. After you have a productive flush you can get temporary jaundice as the sludge is cleared from the biliary system. There are also plenty of Yoga and other types of stretches to help get the biliary sludge moving. Just type ”gallbladder stretches” into a search engine.   [End]
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Hi I am so pleased that you are progressing and have a good plan. Keep faith, and you will overcome those little setbacks when ever they arrive. It takes a long time to balance ones digestive system after making changes. Well done. Telman   [End]
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Hi Yes, I am getting old now, and I just wish I could live through the 70s again. Tell us what you want to say in the context of the question. I do agree that my answer was minimal, but I felt it needed to be. There are many answers to questions and in this forum the aim is to provide support to someone who has decided they want to liverflush and is mitigating their anxieties. All meals divert blood from the system circulation to the portal network. Some fats trigger a more acute response including egg yolk and oleic fatty acids. Is there much more to say in relation to the original que ...
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Olive oil is generally believed to be a good oil without as it doesn’t contain any saturated fats and does not clog the arteries. It is usually compared with the consumption of saturated fats. All oils do cause the arteries to constrict to some degree which is a normal reaction. Because olive oil is mainly oleic fatty acid it is absorbed very quickly in the intestines and tends to constrict the arteries compared to other oils but not necessarily more than the normal range. Telman   [End]
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You can read for yourself from the official curezone page, The link is as follows: https://www.curezone.org/cleanse/bowel/default.asp I have carried out liver flushes over the last 12 years and the protocols are straight forward. I nearly always choose the Hulda Clark method and in the early years followed a week of preparation by drinking apple juice. I have never had any negative effects, always slept well and have to wait until 10:00 the following day to see the results. I have a blog: https://www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=985349 Regards Telman   [End]
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Hi The consensus of opinions is that the order of cleansing is as follows: 1, Full Inner-Body Cleansing Protocol: Improved Diet, Parasites cleanse and Bowel cleanse 2, Liver flush and then concentrate of improving your diet further. If you’ve done the parasite cleanse then there is no need to repeat it, move on to the next step. One problem is that a congested liver can cause slow transit through the colon, so both organs are affected together. People often Parasite-cleanse, then bowel-cleanse and a week later liver-flush. Telman   [End]
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Hi magic fingers Sorry but this is a matter for the debate forum and definitely not for discussion in the support forum. Regards Telman   [End]
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Epsom salts is a hyperosmotic saline type laxative which acts within 1-2 hours. It contracts the gallbladder, relaxes the sphincter of Oddi, and increases gastric, intestinal and pancreatic secretion and, very importantly, production of cholecystokinin. Cholecystokinin is a hormone that describes itself; ’cholecysto’ means gallbladder and ’kinin’ movement. The hormone acts on the pancreas to stimulate the secretion of digestive enzymes. Cholecystokinin also causes the increased production of hepatic bile, stimulates the contraction of the gallbladder and the relaxation of the Sphincter ...
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I remember reaching the same juncture as you and having to question the theory. My stones also kept coming. The type of stones change as you progress and the most important stones may still be waiting. I would suggest that you keep going and take stock around 20 flushes. You should also bear in mind that if your biliary system isn’t functioning fully them the bile will quickly make stones even between flushes. You should see them getting softer and lighter. Also is the bile is too thick it will precipitate in the ileum forming balls of bile, known as primary enteroliths. You could consid ...
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Hi KrazyCat No; fibre will not diminish the liver-flush. Regards Telman   [End]
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The malic acid ( as L-Malic) content of ACV is .05 of acetic acid content. Multiply acetic acid content (usually 5%) by .05 to find malic acid content. This would mean that 1 tblsp (= 15 ml) contains about 0,75 gram malic acid. I found the information on this page: https://www.violiendamast.nl/malic-acid/ The concentration of malic acid in apple cider vinegar is much higher then that in apple juice, probably around 10x. Regards Telman   [End]
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A porcelain gallbladder is very rare and therefore isn’t very well documented. Most of the articles on the web refer to isolated cases and text copied from other articles. I have no experience about the condition and although I have studied the many articles they don’t tell me very much. The only medical cure is surgery which goes against the grain. The recent liver-flushes you have completed appear to have worried you. It seems to me that you have finally managed to clean out some part of your biliary system. This has changed your digestion and it will take some time to settle down. ...
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Ihaven’t explained myself very well. It’s the relative ph level between the duodenum and the ileum not the he absolute levels. There is a brake mechanism at the ileocecal valve, which is the main mechanism to control transit of a meal through the small intestine, allowing essential nutrients to be absorbed; including lipids and magnesium. It’s nothing to do with the awful soap stone argument that has caused division for decades. It’s not to be discussed in the support forum. The mechanism for the formation of primary enteroliths is understood relatively well but have not been studied ...
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You get both primary and secondary enteroliths when liver-flushing. The primary enteroliths which I think you call ”soap stones” are formed becasue the bile moves quickly from a acid envoronment to a very alkali environment in the ilium caused by the Epsom salts. This enables the bile to precipitate rather that get cycled. It takes two weeks to reestablish the chemical balance of the bile after a flush. So bile salts responsible for stopping bile from becoming sticky are the last to be replenished. What is the cause of your fatty liver desease? The progess to Cirrhosis is slow.   [End]
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Hi You didn’t mention if you took Epsom salts. Epsom salts causes the liquid stools and allows any stones to be seen. Otherwise the oil gets digested normally. A few people don’t even get a liquid stools after taking Epsom salts even after doubling the dose. However, there are flush protocols that don’t use Epsom salts and avoid urgent stool all together. Never-the-less the olive oil and lemon juice wiil have flushed the liver anyway. Telman   [End]
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Hi I would wait and have the MRCP first. Bear in mind that the MRCP does not pick up many types of hepatic stones. The signs are very subtle the crystallisation of the bile shows faint echoes on ultra-sound. When I had an ultra-sound it showed these faint echoes but nothing showed up on my MRCP. Crystallisation of bile happens very quickly, on a cycle, it builds up and clears in a random way and then for an unknown reason it fails to clear and the liver clogs-up. This causes irritation to the bile duct and it is here that pain occurs as the enzyme COX-2 builds up. This pain is controll ...
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The digestive organs do not operate on their own. There is a mechanism called the enterohepatic circulation where 90% of bile is circulated back to the liver. If this process is interrupted by very slow digestion, poor stomach emptying, the use of medication (eg amitriptyline), or recreational drugs, some of the most crucial bile salts get lost. These rare and hard to metabolise bile tend to act a detergents and keep the bile liquid. Without them the bile has a tendency to coagulate and soft stones form in the bile ducts. All digestive problems involving the ileum result in some kind of ...
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Yes, it is the same as stuck bile duct stone. No, it doesn’t say anything about heart failure. A stuck stone may cause low blood pressure for just a few people. A stuck stone and another condition called cholangitis can give very similar symptoms. Regards Telman   [End]
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Hi Itching is a sign of liver congestion, sometimes called extrahepatic bile duct obstruction. The signs include the follwing: light-colored stools dark urine itching pain, discomfort, often described as a knot on the right side of the abdomen. Often the upper right but if the condition is secondary being caused by small intentine dysfunction with ileal pooling, then the site of the pain is much lower between the navel and hip bone. nausea and vomiting weight loss low level to full fever jaundice which includes yellowing of the skin, sometimes seen first on the whites of the e ...
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Hi This question comes up from time to time. The liver flush as the name suggest cleans the liver. The olive oil causes the liver to go into overdrive to produce sufficient bile to digest the oil and aciditity from the citric acid swells the volume of bile with bicarbonate fluid to case a tidal wave that can sweep any obstrctions from the bile ducts. The magnesium in the Epsom salts helps to relax the smooth muscle in the valve that regulates the bile flow and this increases the rate of flow alowing bile and obstructions to pass more easily. Regards Telman   [End]
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Hi Poppy2 Herbs don’t really have an expiry date but they do age and in the aging process the potency of the active ingredients decreases. When they were originally bought it would have been recommended that they were used within 6 months. After that time they degrade depending upon storage conditions. Obviously it’s best to keep then in a dry cool place. General advice for keeping herbal remedies, for example, wormwood, is that they should be used within 2 years, so 2 years can be taken as the cut off date. Tinctures have a longer life of 3 to 5 years. Keep well Telman   [End]
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I don’t think anyone is going to recommend that you liverflush with your condition. Andreas Moritz discusses the causes of epilepsy in his book. There is a great amount of information to read in the curezone archive so you can make your own decision. In general terms you can continue to take medication when flushing. Some antiepileptic drugs are associated with liver toxicity and other are not. The liverflush can cause bodily changes afecting a health condition so care needs to be taken and you need to tell someone what you are doing so that they can monitor you. There are milder forms ...
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Thank you for posting. It would be very useful if you could say, why you decided to flush and how you have benefited from liver-flushing.   [End]
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Hi The concentration of malic acid is 0.03% w/v (weight per volume) of cranberry juice malic. W/V is usually taken as the percentage weight per 100 ml. This equates to 300 mg per litre. I must apologise if I stayed into your space the other day. I am an advocate of alternative medicine along side the information that science can provide. Regards Telman   [End]
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Taking into consideration that on the day of the flush you should not be consuming anything more than a light breakfast and lunch. Consequently the calories in the oil are your calorie intake for that day. Often in the early flushes the oil isn’t always fully digested. The amount of oil and type is important because if the amount of bile is limited which is often the case then the bile will be cycled during the flush. As the amount of bile you have store (the bile bank) increases the time for the flush potion to be digested decreases, less indigestion, less nausea, etc. I share the opin ...
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The purpose of the Epsom salts is clearly set out in the validated medical article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1352753/pdf/annsurg00134-0046.pdf Magnesium sulphate fully contracts the gallbladder which has been demonstrated by cholecystography and it also relaxes the sphincter of Oddi. The purpose of the flush protocol using Epsom salts is the pump the biliary system. Twice with each administration of Epsom salts and finally with the flush potion. The olive oil demands bile and the citric acid swells the volume of the bile flow from the liver with bicarbonate rich ...
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Assuming that you are on the right tract and you have a chronic issue that involves the liver. How do you think it was caused? Is it a lifestyle issue that has developed over many years? Is it inherited? Is it hormonal through environmental factors? All these predisposing issues are long term and they can’t usually be easily fixed by a couple of liver-flushes. If the liver is involved then undoubtedly the bowel has been changed over the years and a liver-flush may well significantly alter the way in which the bowel works and this will take time to get accustomed to. You are in it for ...
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This is a very quick answer to feed your curiosity. There are many ways of categorising gallstones. For the common condition of biliary stasis there are possible four types of cholelithiasis (formation of gallstones). 1. Most commonly saturated bile forms green gallstones that are found in the bile ducts and gallbladder. 2. When the gallbladder becomes blocked it still process mucus and the stones get lighter in colour until they are white. 3. Stones that form in the liver are brown in colour from bilirubin. 4. Concentrated bile precipitates in the ileum forming green secondary chole ...
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Enteroliths is a general definition that covers a spectrum of objects found in the gut. Primary enteroliths form in the small intestines and when they get to a certain size they are unable to pass through the ileocecal valve so cause problems obstructing the flow of food matter but not completely blocking the gut. They become a concretion. Also sometimes called a bezoar which more usually indigestible matter such a seeds, and do not pass. However, there isn’t a logical reason why they should get moving given the right conditions. They either pass or get stuck causing an acute event. There ...
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Hi Before treating anything you need a good diagnosis because bowels are a nightmare to treat and the wrong treatment nearly always makes things worse. I have only presented a hypothesis and now it needs to be proved or eliminated. It is thought that diverticulum are a results of dysfunctional bowel movement also known as intestinal dyskinesia or intestinal dysmotility. The reason it has so many names is because bowels are not in my opinion a highly developed are of science. Bowel problems are always dismissed as IBS or self inflicted lifestyle conditions. Treatment options take so l ...
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There is a condition called Jejunoileal diverticula which can form enteroliths which are very light in colour consisting mainly of pus. I note your post from 3 to 4 years ago where you show a picture of your stool with a white occlusion which appear to be the contents of a diverticulum. The discharge can precipitate in the ilium where in forms a more solid ”polished” enterolith such as your picture shows. A simple search for Jejunoileal diverticulum may give you more information.   [End]
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If you adopt a wholesome lifestyle including a diet that exercises the digestive diet, then in many circumstances it can be a preventative measure against lifestyle induced biliary stasis.   [End]
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The dose of 250 mg per day is a support or maintenance dose. The dose required for treatment of biliary condition and also ileitis is much higher initially and is taken in a certain manner. The dose rate is commonly 8 to 10 mg per Kg body weight per day. It can be as high as 15mg/Kg/day in some circumstances. There are three schools of thought on how to take it: 1. With each meal 2. The whole dose just before bed 3. Half the dose with the main meal and the half just before bed. The UDCA is taken with a cup of water. The course is from 30 days to 3 months depending upon the m ...
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You symptoms and signs are definitely what you would expect for a biliary problem, by that I mean liver, bile ducts, bile, gallbladder but also the ilium where the bile is absorbed and re-cycled ack to the liver. Chi stagnation AKA biliary stasis is a good description because the process of digestion involving bile is impeded. The Chinese have a great deal of experience dealing with biliary problem because 20% of the population have a genetic weakness. Chinese medicine is therefore geared up to treat Chi or bile conditions. They recognise the importance of Chlorogenic acids or cholegogues ...
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I does help if you have a good idea to what is causing the pain. As you symptoms were discussed privately with Andreas Moritz and he is no longer with us its difficult to advise you. In general terms the protocol is to keep flushing every two weeks until you stop producing stones for two flushes in a row. If there isn’t any signs of the stone production slowing down one needs to re-evaluate the strategy. I flushed 50 times to get the first level of relief and have continued carrying maintenance flushes ever since. I was recommended time and time again to have my gallbladder removed but ...
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I have read your post but I am unable to answer your specific request for reassurance from someone that has had a hysterectomy. The procedure that are referred to are primary intestinal condition; small bowel prolapse, also called enterocele. It occurs when the small intestine descends into the lower pelvic cavity and pushes at the top part of the vagina, creating a bulge. Also sometimes women present with post-hysterectomy vaginal vault prolapse in conjunction with small bowel obstruction. I can’t ever remember the topic of hysterectomy being raised in the forum. If your surgery went w ...
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1. There are a number of genes that influence the formation of bile which allow the bile to thicken. 2. Pregnancy; the changes in oestrogen levels have a profound effect o the biliary system by increasing cholesterol saturation. 3. Sudden weight loss. 4. Certain medication such amitriptyline which delays stomach emptying and interferes with the digestive process to a degree where the bile stagnates. 5. Recreational drugs and substances; eg, opioids paralyse the digestive system. 6. Liver injury caused by alcohol. 7. Poor digestion of the ilium part of the small intestines. 8. Other ...
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Relationship between neck pain and Gallbladder The theory is that dysfunctional muscles in the neck and along the vagus nerve affect the function of the gallbladder. Sometimes there is a trigger point in one of the muscles that can be released by massage or exercise. Some people opt for acupuncture but most have to find a solution themselves. If you search for ”gallbladder meridian stretch” it will take you to some videos of stretches that you can try. Searching for ”Gallbladder trigger points” will take you to a number of interesting articles which will explain the relationship betw ...
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You have to consider the post in context at the time it was made 6 years and 4 years ago. At this time the laws affecting medical products was changing and liver-flushing as an alternative protocol was under attack. There is also a dedicated forum for people to debate the evidence surrounding the controversial use of liver flushing. The liver flush support and the other 4 cleansing forum was always specially protected.   [End]
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The post is primarily about peddling urinary control pills rather than treating conditions of the gallbladder.   [End]
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Primary enteroliths most certainly can consist of precipitated bile but may also e carbonate or other salts in combination. Secondary enteroliths are from the biliary system so commonly are bile. The formation is a clue whether they are faceted or bulbous. The only certain way of knowing would be to have them analysed. I have read about white stones forming in the base of the gallbladder and there are pictures: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5772062/bin/CG-CGCR170090F001.jpg   [End]
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There are also secondary enteroliths that form in the biliary system. The composition of the bile isn’t quite right and the protective chemical are low so that the surfaces of the bile ducts and gallbladder are irritated causing a cox 2 reaction. Cox 2 or to give it its full name cyclooxygenase-2 is an enzyme responsible for inflammation and pain. You can turn of the pain with Cox-2 inhibiters but there are natural alternatives. I have thought that when ones liver-flushes it not only clears out the garbage but also any protective mucus lining the bile ducts, exposing the bile ducts to t ...
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These white stones as described sound like they are primary enterolith that have formed, usually in the ilium, from mucus. The upper bowel is irritated by something, either dysfunction of lifestyle and is protecting itself with mucus. When this mucus reaches the ilium it precipitates into hard putty like formation. I had them and showed them to my entero-gastrologist who explained what he thought they were. I was later diagnosed with a condition called CIPO. Note: that is you do have a bowel dysfunction affecting the ilium it will always result in secondary biliary problems because the ...
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Andy I found Gold Coin Grass to be very effective at reducing the burning pain I associated with inflammation in the gallbladder bile ducts. I took it as a tea made from super fine powder. It was not a cure and a few weeks after stopping it the problems returned. Changing the way I eat was just as good as any herbal regime. Smaller meals of better quality food. Telman   [End]
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It’s is very difficult to interpret pain from the gallbladder liver and bile ducts. There are also other condition that can mimic gallstone pain. Another indicator is the colour of your stool, whether its changed to a lighter brown and become more tan in hue. There is plenty to read on this site. To answer your question; it is possible to remove gallstones and similar protocols are used in Chinese hospitals. I would recommend that you follow the protocol to the letter and be prepared to carryout one or more follow-up liver flushes.   [End]
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The main point of doing the prep for the liver flush is to stimulate the liver function. Pectin increases the amount of bile that is expelled in your stools and therefore forces the liver to increase the amount of bile it produces.Peas, green beans, sweet potatoes and tomatoes are a good source of pectin. I do not subscribe to the idea that malic acid is effective. A reason why you are not seeing stones may be because your environment in your ileum is more acid than it use to be so that the bile doesn’t precipitate into stones.   [End]
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The meal referred to in my previous post can be an egg and it can be added directly to the dandelion decoction.   [End]
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The remedy was to harvest 2 year old dandelion root prior to flowering and make a decoction from the roots and leaves. The decoction is made from one tablespoon of dandelion per cup of water and boil two minutes. Take one cup before a meal.   [End]
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