Hi cftmju, Someone else who identifies as ”em” and myself have posted similar questions about this. What we really need are lab reports on this. Some good hard data that shows: 1. Blood cholesterol levels before and after flushing 2. Lab reports on stones flushed 3. Any other evidence This is the only way that this question can be settled. Although there is a lab report posted somewhere on this site, more are needed. I personally feel that the whole ”stones” argument may be a red herring. I did the flush and felt exhausted the following day and then absolutely marvellous the ...
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Hi there, not sure where you are in the US, but Whole Foods supermarket, which has outlets in several places, sells Milk Thistle seed in its raw form. So if you really wanted to be sure you got 100% Milk Thistle, you could buy these seeds and grind them yourself. Hope this helps, Ern.   [End]
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Hi, I’m no expert, but I doubt they’d do them together. The two organs are in different parts of the digestive system. Can you access your medical records? You could find out for sure. Ern   [End]
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Thanks Johanna, yeah, the phrase ”it shows as a shadow” sounds so vague I almost wonder if this means it’s biliary sludge. The doctor did admit that biliary sludge can show up on ultrasound, so if that’s what it is, I’m lucky. take care, Ern.   [End]
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Just wondering what the best medical test is for gallstones. I had an ultrasound about 2.5 months ago which was supposed to have detected gallstones, but all they can tell me is ”it shows as a shadow on the gallbladder.” They can’t tell me anything about the size, how many etc. Is a HIDA scan a better test? Any other suggestions? Ern.   [End]
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Thanks em, I’ve heard good things about California Pacific too, so I’ll give them a go. I think it’s a good thing I found out my doctor’s attitude at this early stage. Gives me some time to find someone I’m more comfortable with. take care, Ern.   [End]
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Does anyone know of a good doctor in the San Francisco area, who can deal with gallstones/gallbladder issues? My doctor (who I’ve only been with for three months) sent me for an ultrasound about 2 months ago and it detected asymptomatic, silent stones. I’m currently overweight (working hard on correcting that though and I’ve lost 8 pounds already). I have done the liver flush once and it went fine. Now I want to find a new doctor, preferably one who is open to alternative therapies after yesterday’s visit. My current doctor is clearly quite closed-minded to alternative therapies aft ...
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Good to hear that your surgery went well. Just wondering what size BB is? Is that like pellets from a BB gun? I’m finding it hard to get information on this operation. Did you doctor give you some reading material? I’m starting to understand why doctors don’t recommend the liver flush. Anything that moves gallstones into the bile ducts could increase the risk to the patient and that’s something they’d want to avoid. Ern.   [End]
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Hi All, I’m planning to do my second flush next weekend and I want to gather some information from this. I’m planning to see my doctor (who, as it turns out, is a gastroenterologist as well) this Wednesday. I’m going to ask if I can get blood tests done before and after to see if the flush affects my cholesterol levels. I was also planning to ask him about getting the stones tested for cholesterol, olive oil etc. Any advice on how to approach this? Can anyone think of possible tests that can be done before and after? I haven’t been with this doctor for very long, but he seems like a ...
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Yeah, not a bad idea. Maybe my doctor will have some ideas about the most efficient way to do this too. Crossing my fingers for a friendly reception...   [End]
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Hi em, for what it’s worth, I have an appointment with my doctor next week so I’m going to ask him about the possibiity of having the results of the next flush tested. He’s also a gastroenterologist so he should have some specialized knowledge. I haven’t been with him for long so I’m not sure what his reaction will be. Part of the problem with this is collecting the ”stones.” (warning - this is going to get messy...) When I read that gallstones float, I thought, hey this will be easy, I’ll stick a colander in the toilet bowl and wash away the residue with water to leave just the ston ...
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Dear Webmaster, please don’t take em’s posts off the forum! I have gained a lot of knowledge by reading her posts. She also told me about an herb that I’d not heard about before (fumitory). A valuable lead. I think it would be good to have more proof of the stones being gallstones. Surely this could only do good for people who believe in this therapy? Even if it is shown that they aren’t gallstones, but that the flush reduces cholesterol levels, then that would be a positive outcome too. I don’t think anyone’s trying to prove anything here or take sides, we’re all just trying to i ...
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Hi Connie, I did the Hulda Clarke flush and I followed it pretty closely, with an apple juice semi-fast the five days previous. The following day I felt exhausted but two days later I felt great. I’m probably going to do it again in a few weeks time. I’m also going to get my blood tests done again to see if my cholesterol has improved. take care and good luck! Ern   [End]
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Hi everyone, please bear in mind that I’m a layperson in this area, so I’d welcome any corrections to this post... The Sphincter of Oddi and the Gall Bladder ------------------------------------------ I have been reading around about the gall bladder and bile ducts and found a couple of interesting articles about their interactions. Apparently there is a neurological connection between the ”sphincter of oddi”, a valve which controls the release of bile from the bile duct into the duodenum, and the gall bladder. When the sphincter opens, the gall bladder contracts, and vice versa. ...
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Hmmm, that’s interesting about gradual lowering of liver cholesterol. One of my main concerns with doing this is ”how often is safe?” I mean, is it possible to ”exhaust” the liver by forcing it to throw off all this bile too frequently? I know that bile is recycled when it reaches the ileum, to be used again by the liver. Common sense tells me that throwing off all this bile and flushing it down the toilet means that my liver will have to work extra hard for a period of time to make up for that loss. The question is: how long is that period? I’d like to do it every 2-3 weeks. Chri ...
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This sounds sensible. There’s a previous post I found: http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=313 where the guys says that he examined gallstones that he passed with much pain against the ones passed with the flush. He also says that he found green balls mixed in with real stones. Here’s an interesting article from Postgraduate Medicine Online: http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2003/01_03/babb.htm This article looks at the presence of biliary sludge and cholecystitis/gallstone formation. Maybe the flush gets rid of this sludge, clumping it together, as you say, and this has ...
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I found an interesting article on gallstones and exercise. The link is... http://healthinfo.cedars-sinai.edu/HealthNews/reuters/NewsStory0519... This was presented at the Digestive Diseases Weekly conference last year. Apparently the theory is that exercise literally ”shakes up” biliary sludge in the gall bladder, preventing the formation of stones. Ern.   [End]
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Hi, I used the Hulda Clark recipe, and I followed it fairly strictly, adding nothing to the epsom salts or anything else. I didn’t mind the taste of all the ingredients that much. Then again, I’m the sort of guy who falls asleep in the dentist chair so maybe I have high tolerance for things by mouth! Ern.   [End]
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Hi greaturtle, this was similar to my experience. I felt very drained on day 2 (day after the flush), but after another night’s sleep, I woke up feeling absolutely terrific. I think it would do some good to find out what the stones were. If, for example, I found a stone that sank (assuming what pathology-guy says is true), have that analyzed and prove that its a gallstone, then that will prove that this method can pass gallstones, not just soap. Then the mystery of the floating stones won’t matter really. I’ll see what I can find out about getting stones analyzed and post the resu ...
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Hi HalF, yes, that’s a good idea. Next time I do it, I’ll save what I can (paying attention to anything heavier that sinks) and get them analyzed. I agree with you, I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. The flush made me feel better, so that’s the main thing. Ern.   [End]
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Okay, thanks for the posts, this has all been very enlightening.   [End]
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I just got back from lunch. I went into the GNC Vitamins store and they have Sasparilla (Smilax Officianalis). I went into Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco and asked about Fumitory. Rainbow is a speciality supermarket dealing in Natural products, herbs, vitamins etc and neither of the two guys working in the herbal section had heard of it. So my guess is that Fumitory is not very well known about here. The folk at Rainbow are total eggheads when it comes to natural therapies. The guys were very helpful though, and have just about everything available in terms of herbs and natural ...
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Hi em, interesting what he told you about diet. The LiverDoctor suggests something similar, though she included ”good oils” from seeds such as flax and coldwater fish: http://www.liverdoctor.com/Section3/12_vital_principles.asp I imagine that things vary from person to person too. I’m finding lately that egg yolks don’t make me feel too good, which is something that I’ve been able to eat no problem all my life before. Yeah, I was wondering too about the homeopathic thing and the reverse of it. I wish I had that reference to the New Guinea tribes that I read (it’s so long ago no ...
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Hi em, interesting post, and thanks for the tip. I just looked up fumitory online (haven’t heard of this herb before. I’m taking Milk Thistle at the moment, mostly because of what I’ve read of the scientific studies which back it up) and found the following: botanical.com valuable in all visceral obstructions, particularly those of the liver PDR Health Fumitory’s medicinal value lies in the above-ground parts of the plant. It relieves spasms in the gallbladder, bile ducts, and gastrointestinal tract. It also stimulates the flow of bile. Nicholas Culpepper The juice or syru ...
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Hi em, that’s good news. Did he tell you what the herbs were? Have they dissolved the gallstones or just made the symptoms manageable? Ern.   [End]
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Thanks Johanna, I think at this stage I’m going to keep an open mind and that’s the best way. I don’t want to close my mind to anything that may be beneficial. I certainly feel a lot better for doing my first flush so that’s proof enough for me right now. I hope you get your stone out! Sending you a prayer for this. Ern.   [End]
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Yeah, you’d think it would be pretty easy to verify that they were gallstones. I know that there are closed-minded doctors around, but I just can’t believe that every medical professional in the world is wrong or in denial. It doesn’t make sense. I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater on this though. My gallstones aren’t in a chronic stage (no pain at all) so I have some room to experiment on myself. I figure that the organic apple juice does me good anyway, and I honestly did feel enormously better on Sunday after the Friday flush. I’m sure it wasn’t just the power of su ...
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Thanks Folks, Yeah, I’m not saying that the flush doesn’t work. Believe me, I feel great after doing it this weekend. It’s certainly done something wonderful to improve my health. I actually went running on Sunday evening, something I haven’t been able to do for a long time. My main concerns were the opinions expressed on: http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm Now, this guy has quite a detailed pathology site, and, being a complete layperson, I’d normally trust someone with this background. I don’t have any reason to distrust the medical profession, even though I’ve encountered my ...
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Okay, now I’m confused... I just read another site which claims that real gallstones sink in water and that the stones from the flush aren’t real gallstones. The thing is, I want to continue with the flushes, whatever they are because I felt so good two days after the flush... like REALLY good, like I haven’t felt in years. It would be great if there were some independent studies on all this. At the moment, I’m not sure what to believe, all I know is that I feel better. Ern.   [End]
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Hi, I’m doing the Hulda Clarke parasite cleanse with Black Walnut, Wormwood and cloves.   [End]
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I have just started the parasite cleanse and I think I have already passed a parasite. I must remember to photograph the next one. To be honest, I was so disgusted I just wanted to flush away the first one, it felt so gross. Anyway, my question is... can you do the Black Walnut and Wormwood enema while on the parasite cleanse or is this too much? Should I wait until I have finished the parasite cleanse. If you can do the enema, then how much of each product do I put in the water? Ern.   [End]
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Wow! Next day (Sunday) and I feel great! The exhaustion passed with a good night’s sleep on Saturday.   [End]
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You’re quite right. I’m going to listen to what my body is telling me and rest when it wants it. Thanks! Ern.   [End]
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Hi Michelle, Remember it’s your body and your doctor works for you, not the other way around. If you feel uncomfortable with surgery then your doctor should not try to unduly persuade you (unless of course it’s truly life-threatening). It’s your choice, not theirs. That goes for any surgery, not just gallbladder. Keep hunting down specific information on the impacted stones. Try one of the other forums if no answer on this one. Someone out there must have an answer to this. Wishing you all the best, Ern.   [End]
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It’s funny, I just logged on to ask almost the same question... I did my first flush last night and about 200 stones (maybe more) came out, some bigger than 1cm, but most of them tiny. I find it hard to count them all! I also feel... not ”down” but drained/exhausted this afternoon (about 5pm Pacific time). I explained to my partner that I’ve only ever felt like this when I did an all-day bike ride for over 100 miles. Completely drained, not a bad feeling, just physically exhausted. I’ve spent the whole day trying to do things and just giving up and laying down again. I’m glad I fo ...
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Hi Chinook, Just because depression runs in your family doesn’t mean it has to run in you. Conditions that occur in families can be very binding and affect us our whole lives. But you have a choice to break out of that condition. I understand that family conditions can seem insurmountable at times. Sometimes it helps to talk to family members and sometimes it doesn’t. Only you know which is best. If you choose not to talk to family about it, then as Anthony has said, try to talk to someone, even if that person is a pencil and notepad. My personal family experience is with alcohol whi ...
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Hi Scorpioeyes, I read the post. Wow, you really got some good stuff on the towers dream! take care, Ern   [End]
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Hi Scorpioeyes, This dream is a few days old now so the meaning may have faded for you. I feel that you’ve already figured out most of this dream for yourself (past, present, future) except for the part about the weights. You’ve focussed on this a lot in your description. What does the weight mean to you? Is it simply a representation of your body weight, or a play on the word ”wait” or something else. Do a free association on this symbol and see what you come up with. My guess is that the ”we” in look how far we’ve come, refers to the three you’s (past, present, future) but only you kn ...
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Hi 20055, Is there another physical sensation in the dream? It would help to know more details about this. The fact that you keep having the dream means it’s something you need to look at but possibly haven’t fully addressed yet. I feel that there are two possible ways to go with this. Either: 1. The dream is asssociative, as Tracey mentioned, with the symbols meaning something at a different level. If this is the case then do the symbol association to personalize the dream and help you understand it. i.e. for each symbol in your dream say ”I am (symbol). Then list each of the qualities ...
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Hi 20518, glad the responses helped and got you thinking about what the symbols mean to you. Sounds like you’re sorting out the meaning of this by yourself already and that you’re ready to make a breakthrough in dumping ”no man would ever want me” as something that applies to you. take care, Ern (21087).   [End]
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Hi Chinook, I’m concerned about this dream. Like Tracey, I think that this dream shows up a difference between how you’re acting in waking life and how you’re really feeling. It would be helpful to know more about your family situation but I don’t want to press for personal details. Can you talk to your family about your depression? The fact that you are on medication concerns me. I assume that you’re seeing a good counselor for this condition. If you can detox and clean up your health I think this will benefit you enormously. It might help to remember that depression is a fact o ...
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