hii yoshi congrats for getting cured. you asked about lip size. my lips size have changed because of swelling , strecting over last more than 3 years of time. my upper lip was little in size but it now has became bigger in size just like lower lip. lower lip has also got bigger in size as compared to before EC. my lips look bad and awful when they get swollen which they get daily. so , yes lips gets bigger in size because of stretching and inflammation. i want to know about , what chinese medicines you used for inflammation immunity moisture , nam ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Hi! im japanese guy has peeling lips for over 10years. at first, im sorry that my English is really poor. my under lip was finally cured!! i can tell you guys what i did. 1.chinese medicine”kanpoo” i took three chinese medicine. one of them is to boost a immunity. another one is to reduce inflammation. and last one is to provide moisture of skin. i took them for 4month. 2.narrow band uvb ”Ultraviolet therapy” 3.moisture method i used ”sun white” is purified Vaseline. these way is my way to be cured! and i wanna ask you guy one thing. i has E.C for 10 ...
[retrieve this message]

---

21st Century Wire says… The medical industrial complex is still in denial. They are not only ‘saving lives’. People are dying, while record shareholder profits are being made. As this author, John Thomas, rightly points out – in this age of genetically modified organisms and biological engineering, any rational discussion or debate on this issue should not rule out human intervention as a cause for the random emergence of these seemingly unexplainable, designer viruses.  He also points out the alarming similarities between the 1976 ... [Image Embedded Here]
[retrieve this message]

---

Researchers wonder whether the incidents of paralysis are related to a respiratory virus that’s sweeping across the nation.             A cluster of paralysis and limb weakness among nine children in Colorado has researchers at Centers for Disease Control and Prevention baffled. The CDC is evaluating whether the symptoms could be associated with the recent outbreak of enterovirus D68 across the nation. The children in question developed respiratory problems, but later developed limb weakness. ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Acute Neurologic Illness with Focal Limb Weakness of Unknown Etiology in Children Summary The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is working closely with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) and Children’s Hospital Colorado to investigate a cluster of nine pediatric patients hospitalized with acute neurologic illness of undetermined etiology. The illness is characterized by focal limb weakness and abnormalities of the spinal cord gray matter on MRI. These illnesses have occurred since August 1, 2014 coincident with an increa ...
[retrieve this message]

---

MYSTERY VIRUS COAST TO COAST… Cases confirmed in CA… California’s first cases of a virus that has been spreading across the country were confirmed Thursday by the state’s chief health official. Four cases of enterovirus D68 have been confirmed, all in Southern California. One was in Ventura County; three others were in San Diego County.   The patients ages ranged from 2 to 13 years old. More instances of the disease were expected as results from lab tests come back, the California Department of Public Health said in anno ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Polio is a enterovirus. Naw, it can’t be Polio because Polio is eradicated right? Interesting comment I ran across a couple of days ago: SHORT-LIVED WHOOPING COUGH (ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS) VACCINES ARE CAUSING THOUSANDS OF VACCINATED KIDS TO GET SICK WITH EPIDEMIC OUTBREAK OF ENTEROVIRUS 68 When you kill the Alpha pathogen that was keeping a pack of lesser bugs under control, you unleash a Pandora’s Box of mutated strains, and the formerly lesser pathogens become increasingly virulent.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

About 450 children have been treated at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City Virus comes on as a cold before developing into respiratory distress  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention testing whether it is an Enterovirus D68 or EV-D68, a respiratory infection with varying symptons and levels of intensity There is no proper treatment or vaccine for EV-D68 Doctors have been treating severe cases with ventilation Outbreaks also reported in Colorado, Illinois and Ohio Read more: http://www.dailymail.c ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Call it what it is----POLIO. POLIO is an umbrella word for the many different names given to the disease back in the 1950’s when the Salk Vaccine failed. Polio now hides behind these names: -Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP)lots of cases of this disease in India, Pakistan, Syria, Nigeria-everywhere the WHO and The Gates Foundation goes in and vaccinates. *India to get polio-free status amid rise in acute flaccid paralysis cases caused by polio vaccine: http://www.livemint.com/Politics/XS6vPor5jFX3vKkaE7Ri6H/India-to-get-poliofree-status-amid-rise-in-acute-flaccid-pa.html (In the past ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Parents’ fears as mysterious polio-like illness hits 25 kids with no hope of recovery An unknown illness has affected up to 25 children in California It has similar symptoms to polio, including limb paralysis and respiratory difficulties Affected children have experienced paralysis in their arms or legs, which does not improve Sofia Jarvis was the first known case in 2012 Now four years old, she retains a paralyzed left arm, breathing problems and leg weakness from the ordeal The California Department of Public Heal ... [Image Embedded Here]
[retrieve this message]

---

These scans show encephalitis caused by enterovirus 71, which has been linked to paralysis but was not found in these kids   Doctors are looking for more information about a “polio-like syndrome” that has caused paralysis in a few children in California. Neurologists have identified five patients who developed paralysis in one or more of their limbs between August 2012 and July 2013. All five children had been vaccinated against the poliovirus. Treatment did not seem to help the children regain their motor function. Samples from two of the chi ... [Image Embedded Here]
[retrieve this message]

---

I have been detoxing my colon for a few months using herbs from my health counselor. I was a house painter for more than 30 years so I have alot of toxins to remove. In my research I ran across Dr Charles Shulze who is an herb specialist and healer. I would check him out if I were you for a good whole body cleanse and detox plan. https://www.herbdoc.com I bought his superfood bars and they make me feel a sense of well being. I got them for a powerful snack to eat when I don’t have time to juice. I would read his website as he explains how healing takes place with colon cleanse fir ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I haven’t been on this forum in months...just checking in to see if there have been any more insights into MMS use. Tom, this was great advice..I agree with you 100% that people need to work on re-establishing healthy digestion, an alkaline (vs.acidic) body and then work on ”killing” things. We’ve been advising the same...   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

No, I try to stick to the things that the body actually uses--vitamins, minerals amino acids. I take a few herbals but don’t fully trust them. I hear that Cutler is okay with some homeopathy but it is still strange to me.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Thanks! I’ve been wanting to take pregnenolone...I hear it’s great! Have u tried Diatomaceous Earth?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

makes sense. I feel really jacked up after taking Cortrex. But, I am high in Hg and Cd... so how would that combo affect me and the cortisol levels?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

What I hear is that some people need large amounts, but before going with crazy doses of ACE, I’d add some of the other things he suggests that we consider: Pregnenolone--the mother adrenal hormone. Hg affects production of it. It makes great sense to me to include this when Hg is involved. Be careful because with Hg you don’t know how the body is going to convert it. Some can end up with too much testosterone if you over do it. You can see more here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steroidogenesis.svg I get followup tests from my doctor. Some use saliva adrenal tests from ca ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Cutler explains that Hg affects cortisol production in the adrenal cortex but not adrenal production in the adrenal medulla. I think he says that Cd does the opposite. This is not a quote so what he actually says might be worded differently. I think I read this in his book Hair Test Interpretation but he touches on it in Amalgam Illness as well in the image around p 32. By taking the whole adrenal supplement instead of just cortex, there is the likelihood of promoting production of more adrenaline. So many Hg toxic folks already have trouble with anxiety and stress management. The ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Good to know! I actually have Thorne Adrenal Cortex (only the glandular)... perhaps I ought to try that instead? How many pills should I take a day? What time(s) of day? Empty stomach? with food? Also, what should I notice from taking this? I felt nothing different on corTREX (at least, nothing positive). How long before I feel the effect? Thanks!!!!   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Why would one bother Mercury toxic people and the other not?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I bet your problem was due to the entire adrenal glandular, including adrenaline producing adrenal medulla. Almost no Hg toxic folks tolerate this. They like adrenal cortex extract. Joe One Capsule Contains: Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) 50 mg. Thiamin (as Thiamin HCl) 8 mg. Riboflavin (as Riboflavin 5’-Phosphate Sodium) 3.6 mg. Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5’-Phosphate) 3.4 mg. Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium Pantothenate) 45 mg. Zinc (as Zinc Picolinate) 10 mg. Adrenal (Bovine) 125 mg. [ this is probably the problem ] Licorice (root) (Glycyrrhiza glabra) 75 mg. Adrenal C ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I was taking Thorne CortRex.... it this ok?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Remember Hg toxic folks need adrenal *cortex* extract, they rarely tolerate the entire adrenal glandular like Nutricology. Folks like me who have high Cd might benefit from nutricology. Even I only take a half a capsule of it. Also Cutler mentions other possible adrenal supplements--pregnenolone, licorice, HC cream, forskolin (probably too stimulating for you if you don’t tolerate Nutricology), more in the yahoo frequent dose chelation group and cutler’s books. Hg really hits adrenal system very hard. It is so important to support it or members find that they can’t tolerate de ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Already taking those! :-) But I stopped the adrenal support, for I felt it was too stimulating. I’m in a state of reacting to everything right now, so I’m only taking the bare-minimum in supplements   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

As Hg’s effects on the immune system are reduced, it is easier for your body to fight. However you’ll need some help while you chelate. Don’t forget the recommended supplements, esp, C E Zn Mg and in your case adrenal cortex extract.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

cutler like animal based better.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

What’s ur opinion of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet or GAPS diet? I heard these are extremely effective in re-establishing proper gut flora, kicking out the bad guys, and healing GI issues and food intolerances. Also, any opinion of using liposomal glutathione for metal detox?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I already take digestive enzymes and have done so since I was 13...my body unforunately is now dependent on them. I take 2-3 caps of HCl and 2-3 caps of Thorne Bio-gest. Plant enzymes didn’t seem effective, but bio-gest is HCl, ox bile, pancreatin, and pepsin   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

People sometimes gain weight on B12 and adrenal meds.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Don’t forget adrenal support and Cutler’s basic supplements.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

My understanding of Cutler is that you start to address it before chelation and take appropriate steps to keep it in check. He thinks that chelation is what ultimately is going to enable you to get control of the problem when it is due to Hg. The yahoo frequent dose chelation group members who have nasty problems in this area usually use DMPS and avoid weekly use of DMSA.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Don’t forget the digestive enzymes too, Hg fouls up production--cf around p 32 of AmalgamIllness book.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I wish I could do a fast, but if i skip on snack, i lose a pound. ugh. have u tried essential oils for biofilms? cinnamon is supposed to be a good one. lactoferrin is supposed to be great as well   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Viruses MULTIPLY in oxidized environments?! Then why do people say that MMS, h202, ozone, and other oxidizers are great for killing viruses? Crap...I knew the MMS was a bad idea. That damn chiro!   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Diet - prevents me from getting worse Biofilm - becausw I do have an overgrowth I am quite sure. Sometimes the results don’t appear for a while. For example, a friend of mine did bowel cleansing (psyllium), parasite herbs etc for months with no results. Then a 7 day fast and expulsion of some sort of debris from his colon was the turning point.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

In china, they are using oxymatrine by injection for viral myocarditis and it works. Here in the US, Dr Chia uses oral oxymatrine and says it works 50% of the time. So I will be using that and am thinking of other things to try to increase my odds - viruses replicate in oxididized enviroments so addressing that as well. Silymarin is also antiviral but only by injection it appears.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I traveled to Humble Texas tos see DR John Parks Trowbridge and to NYC to see Dr Leo Galland   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

My bacterial infections are worse than the candida. But I also have unidentified viruses and parasites.... gosh, this just keeps getting worse...   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I agree. Candida must be at a minimum before you do heavy metal detoxing. Dealing with all the mycotoxins from candida and the heavy metal detoxing is too hard on the body.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Where did u find them? are they integrative docs? Are they in ur area or are u doing correspondence treatment?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

They are doc specialized in bacterial dysbiosis. I take olive leaf extract for bacterial infection. I don’t plan to get any metal out for now.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

And if the biofilm/diet plan u are on isn’t working, why do u continue to follow it?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

can u explain how u are treating enterovirus again?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Oh no, I didn’t mean now. I think I did say when you are feeling better. I am in the same boat as you and I could not fast for a long time - like years but I can now and I *think* it will help clear out overgrowths in the upper gut. It’s something to keep in your back pocket. Things we cannot tolerate now we hopefully can in the future.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I’m a little hesitant to outline my biofilm and diet b/c these have not helped my gut problems. It doesnt matter what I eat, the gas (burping mainly) is still there. But as I mentioned I know now I have enterovirus and I think that is what is causing my lazy bowels and I think in that condition all foods will cause problems. Of course, the less sugar i have the less bad I feel but even vegggies create gas. I do think once the enterovirus is address the other things will start to produce results. But treating enterovirus is an adventure in itself. I came up with the biofilm pr ...
[retrieve this message]

---

But who are Trwbridge and Galland? What are u doing for the bacterial infections? Is u don’t chelate, how r u going to get the metals out?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Does the cutler protocol address infections too (I have several bacterial/viral/fungal infections on top of the metals...as well as adrenal, thyroid, hormonal, GI issues, etc....)? Does anyone know of any practitioners in IL? I’ve been to so many people who take my money and run, all the while I’m left sicker in the process. I’m at my wit’s end....my mom is scared...and money is beyond tight.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Trwbridge and Galland told me to remain on antifungal (itraconazole, amB, nystatin) until it disappears. Diet must be very low in carb. The more carb you take the longest it will take. Basically only meet, eggs and fish. Occasionnaly some green veggies. They all told me it takes time and ther is no shortcut (chelation). I’ve tried many chelation: Cutler low dose (ALA, DMPS, DMSA) or the IV’s (EDTA, ALA, DMPS). Iv route is less damaging for yeast even in big dose. Yes I am under doc guidance and it was going well until I try to chelate. i am doing itraconazole (300 mg), terbinafin ...
[retrieve this message]

---

If you are using the Cutler Protocol you can join FDC. Sorry, I don’t know of any in IL and don’t recall seeing one in the list in FDC.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I tried to join teh yahoo group but it wont let me. Do u know any practitioners in IL, near chicago??? How do I eat a low-thiol diet while eating a candida diet?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

What kind of chelation did u do? What antifungals are u doing? Do u just have candida, or do u have other infections as well? Are u under a doc’s guidance and how is that going? What kind of doc? What diet are u following?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

What is the ”Galland and Trowbridge advice” u are following? I am sorry u are going thru such a rough time. I am in your same boat. Some/most days, it doesnt even feel worth the fight anymore, especially when most people don’t believe u and/or think it is some other issue---why don’t people understand metals and candida? The alienation is worse than the disease   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

You seem to be on the right track. petluvr10 made many good points. I’ll add or reinforce a few. The folks at Livingnetworks know Cutler well. I’ve found them to be helpful and I have my hair test posted there. Cutler has an old yahoo post with many tips for dealing with candida. A copy of it is in the Files of the yahoo Frequent Dose Chelation group. There is also a file containing contact information for doctors/practitioners who have supported members with the Cutler Protocol. If you are in the Pacific Northwest, eastern PA, western PA, and central CA, you are in luck. I’ ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I have stopped chelating because I need to be for 3 months on strong antifungals to recover from chelation. It can blow one year of improvements in 3 days and then I am back to square one.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Frankly I am at the point where chelating makes me feel so bad for so many months that I won’t touch it anymore. My life is at stake. I will follow Galland and Trowbridge advice and follow their plan. They told me it takes time and chelating has to be done after adressing candida issues. So many people told me not to chelate and I did. Painful mistake. Even Cutler low dose DMSA makes me sick. I have suffer enough with candida and I won’t trigger it once again. I cannot work when my candida is increasing. Sick building syndrome big time. I have no choice than to continue with antifung ...
[retrieve this message]

---

If i may ask, can u post what a typical day’s diet looks like for u, then? I’ve been eating all the wrong foods b/c I’m trying to eat the anti-candida diet, but that diet is high in thiols. Here is my current diet... how would u tweak it? meal 1: -4-6oz homemade veggie juice -1 rice cake (organic, brown rice, toasted) -2.5 TB brown rice protein powder mixed with 3/4 TB coconut butter and .5 TB almond butter (made into a spread to put on top of the rice cake) meal 2: Stir fry (3oz chicken breast, 3oz avo/pea non-bean ”hummus”, 4oz steamed veggies, 1 TB VCO, spices like caye ...
[retrieve this message]

---

So what do I eat? it’s frustrating b/c many of the non-thiol foods are contraindicated for the candida diet. High thiol foods are eggs, meats, greens, etc...all the non-starchy foods! What do u eat to not aggravate candida and eating low-thiol at the same time? How do I get rid of the metals if u said to avoid chelators?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

High sulphur will certainly make your candida worse. As I have found out for myself. As far as I’m concerned the metals need to come out. Chelation is the only way foward and it’s working for me. I take DMSA at a low dose of 6mg’s and I have chronic candida. All I can say is that it’s working, and working very well. Aijian, didn’t you have EDTA IV for your lead issues?. I do prefer the Cutler protocol to other more extreme forms of chelating. I had a DMPS Challenge done at slow and low dose only to discover that it re-distributed the mercury around my body and made the candida worse. I wou ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Thiols make you candidiasis worse. It is the same thing for me. Forget chlorella and chelators if you don’t want to see your candidiasis exploding.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Here’s what you do petluvr. 1.) Here’s the low sulphur diet sheet. Remember that there are certain foods on the low sulphur diet the you will have to work around because of candida issues. http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/low-sulfur-food-list/ 2.) The key supplements that Cutler recommends are as follows: B-50 or B-100 tabs Vit C in abscorbic acid (powder)Start with 1 -4 grams, and see how your bowels react. Vit C should be taken with each meal and one before bed. Vit E 1,200 I.U. (natural form of Vit E)onc ...
[retrieve this message]

---

What do I do about my infections? Do i work on them simultaneously or after chelation? Do I use natural means...or do I use antibiotics (cipro is the only one that will work against these...ugh)?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Thanks SO much! fasting is not a good idea for me....I’m already underweight What are his recommended supplements and doses? What would constitute a low-sulfur diet? Do I stay on the nutritional supplement during the days I take DMSA? Thank u SO much!   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Whats ur biofilm protocol? Did a doc set u up on this plan? What diet should I follow? I’m getting too much conflicting advice Have u tried the SCD or GAPS diet?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I wouldn’t recommend fasting, especially when petluvr has such bad gut issues. I would go on a low sulfur diet and use low amounts of DMSA at 3 or 6mg’s to begin with. Considering your health issues are pretty servere I would get the recommended supplements that Cutler states are essential to the protocol and start taking them for a week to allow your body time to adjust to the supplements, then try some DMSA at 3 or 6mg’s. I noticed that some people are using even lower doses than 3 or 6mg’s of DMSA on the FDC boards for issues that are the same as your health issues petluvr. 25mg’s may b ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I think you can drive yourself mad trying to figure out the etiology. I have tried to do this myself too. Maybe a less stressful approach might be to figure out as much as you can about what is wrong and address each one. If it were me, I would start with strict diet to reduce fermenation as much as possible (which you have done), then do the methylation panel and address that if neceseary. If the glutahtione is reasonable I would then start chelation and when that is going I would start to test for various viruses and bacteria. And when you’re strong enough, do measures to ad ...
[retrieve this message]

---

If I were you, I will do all the things at the same time. Why ?? Because if you take some chelators without an anticandida program, candida will be out control. On the other hand, if you treat candida but you are immune suppressed with heavy metals, candida never will be eradicated. Cutler’s program is the best I have found, so I will follow it. Don’t worry too much about the anti-candida supplements, any of them is silver bullet !. About Cipro, if there isn’t another antibiotic, you will have to take it but do something smart watching for side effects to stop the treatment. Don’t take it ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I have not started Cutler Protocol...I’m just finding out about it. But, it makes more sense than other protocols (especially the one my chiro recommends). I cannot find a good holistic MD. I saw a new chiro today... he tells me about his treatment plan tmw. I pray HE is on the right track. I really want to do Cutler, but I want to do it under supervision--with someone who knows what they are doing. The only antibiotics that treat my pathogens are Cipro-family types. I want to avoid those. What is the priority: metals, infections, general detox...or...? Can these be done ...
[retrieve this message]

---

First thing you must learn. There isn’t quick solution to it. IMO, you should continue with Cutler’s chelation program but reducing DMSA doses. 25 mg, 50 mg or higher, are very aggressive doses for those who has candida. DMSA cause neutropenia and you must avoid it, you should try 12.5 mg for a while. At the same time, you can take supplements, basic supplements, such as B Complex, Vitamin C, Magnesium, Vitamin E, etc. An smart whole food diet ( candida diet) plus some supplements such as SF-722, Olive Leaf Extract, Coconut Oil, or any other anti-candida supplement. Since your case is com ...
[retrieve this message]

---

http://tuberose.com/Sulphur_and_Mercury.html *infections and toxins lower gsh - restore the methylation/gsh levels which begins detox - lets get the b12/folic acid levels up then add more methyl donors like choline” What are your thoughts? Am I not methylating BECAUSE of the toxins/infections (thus trying to stimulate this process with supplements is useless).....or is it vital to try to establish methylation BEFORE chelation in order to better support detox? Will chelating boost my immune system so that my body will eliminate the pathogens easier? Or will trying to methylate bett ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Hello, There is an enterovirus foundation. http://www.enterovirusfoundation.org/chronicinfections.shtml Dr John Chia does a lot of work in this area and is on the board of directors. His son had CFS and itturns out he had this virus. There really is no treatment for it as there is for AIDS or herpes viruses. For his son, he used oxymatrine which is a Th2-Th1 shifter. When I read more about it online in Pubmed it turns out it does other beneficial things as well such as combat oxidative stress. Once you start reading about viruses you learn that studies are showing they won’t rep ...
[retrieve this message]

---

QUOTE: I have recently found out a biopsy of my stomach showed ’enterovirus’ in over 50% of the cells....he did say this virus will paralyze the gut. This may be interesting for those of you with unrelenting constipation and/or gastroparesis and/or severe bloating REPLY: Wow...So what do u do about this? How did u find this doctor? Is enterovirus only found via stomach biopsy, or can it be found via stool testing? Please tell me more!   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Exactly. I’ve been working on my GI tract for, what seems like forever. I am still constipated, bloated and feel very tired and spacy. I have recently found out a biopsy of my stomach showed ’enterovirus’ in over 50% of the cells. This was done by Dr Chia. you can google him and enterovirus to find more info. My fiance had a consult with him last night which I have not listened to yet, but I did want to point out that he did say this virus will paralyze the gut. This may be interesting for those of you with unrelenting constipation and/or gastroparesis and/or severe bloating.
[retrieve this message]

---

Salt Push http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=916827#i More information on the Iodine Support Forum.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

It’s a catch-22 b/c my digestion won’t heal until I get rid of the infections. I’ve tried the ”heal the GI first” approach and it doesn’t work...I stay stuck. I wish I knew what to do. I feel like crap, have no energy, and am hating life. I wish there was some type of alternative medicine hospital that specializes in detoxing and infections/metals. Are there any u know of?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

What’s a salt push? My chiro only has ProThera Iodine (12.5mg). http://www.protherainc.com/prod/proddetail.asp?ID=IDN Is this a good product? I was warned by someone that potassium iodide is dangerous.... he knew 3 people who were hospitalized b/c it stirred up heavy metals and redeposited them, causing major reactions... is this true?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

protocol: titrate dosage up from 6.25mg or Lugol’s or Iodoral to 50mg if the detox isn’t kicking your butt too bad. At some point you might want to try 100mg companion supplements: 400-600mg Magnesium Citrate or Malate 200-400mcg selenium in the form selenomethionine B-complex 3 or more grams Vitamin C do one salt push a day or more as needed to reduce detox symptoms Much more information on the Iodine Support Forum here at Curezone.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Can u explain the iodine protocol?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I used to suffer from IBS-C. Here’s what helped my digestion and elimination.... Every morning I mix 1 Tbs flax seeds, 1 Tbs flaxseed oil and 1 Tbs Cottage Cheese. If I want more cottage cheese I can add it, if I want something entirely different for breakfast I have that but AFTER the Flax seed mix. You may have it more than once a day but once works for me. This came from the Budwig cure but that says grind the seeds fresh each time and mix in a blender. I use cold milled seeds and stir it up with a spoon. I found salt pushes helpful before discovering the Flax seed mixture. ...
[retrieve this message]

---

How long have you been on St. Johns wort? What brand and dosage? I started on Kira just 300mg. but, decided after being on it for 2 weeks, I’d better totally be off the Zoloft first. So considering restarting it again later. How is it helping you? And, interesting, 7-Keto and DHEA is helping with the liver? I’m taking just a minimal of Kelp 250mg. every other day. What dosage are you taking? Thanks, Paulette   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I found preliminary results of a stool test that was sent STAT to my chiro. What scares me is that he said that the lab NEVER sends STAT reports before the rest of the lab results are in....he said that this means that my infection is very serious. I have a rare infection of: Aeromonas sobris and aeromonas cerviae. Have u heard of these? God only knows what else is brewing, but the lab said that the only cure is Cipro. I’d rather avoid such a heavy-duty antibiotic, for that may cause more harm than good. There isn’t much info out there, but it is a Gram-negative, non-spore-forming ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Since have leaky gut syndrome, I’m going to go and assume you’re digestive system is already severely impaired. This could also mean that any and all aggressive treatments on candida could potentially cause further damage to your digestive system as well. Given your weight, I’d say you are in no position to take chances here. I would seriously consider take the slow and caution approach insofar as Candida and digestion. Which would be something along the lines of a low impact anti-candida diet combined with a stronger focus on your digestive tract(papaya + acidophilus). In an effort to ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Hello. if you are sensitive ( that is prone to anxiety with any chelation) be careful with IV thereapy. This is a more aggressive way to go. I know. Years ago, I had all my amalgums removed and replaced with a non-mercury filling. Than I proceeded to have, and IV-push (10 minute chelation) About 30 minutes later I had a horrific anxiety attack that lasted for several hours, had to take a valium. So, I later went to an oral capsule chelator for the mercury, in which I took one cap a day for over 30 days. This worked fine, no harsh side effects. I beleived it had DMPS in it. ...
[retrieve this message]

---

I have adrenal fatigue and I am hyper thyroid. I had some digestive issues for a while too and also have yeast issues. I tried healing all that one at a time but it did not help. Nothing helped until I started healing my adrenals then my digestive issues went away and most of my yeast issues. I did try MSM too and I think it was hard on my adrenals. I have heard others same the same. NAC (N-Acetyl-Cystein) is another form of sulfer and is used to help pull heavy metal toxins out of your body. In my experience it doesn’t seem to be hard on my body. I tried to heal my thyroid but found ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Could u elaborate more on what u are taking, brands, how u are taking it, and the dosages? Did u change ur diet too? I’m thrilled u are seeing results!!! Please give me the 411!   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

How do u suggest I restore my digestion? No one seems to now how, thus the reason MMS was suggested, as well as chelation. They feel the toxins (fungus, metals) are causing my GI and immune system to not function. I already take digestive enzymes and HCl and eat healthy...but nothing helps   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Hello, i am having quite good results at the moment just taking bile salts and espon salt capules and some antifungal. the bile is meant to kill bad bacteria in the small intestine and yeast. only been doing it a month and feeling bit better it was tony orlando idea(from here) and i think its working a bit   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Hello #145122, The one thing that will improve your quality of life is having a healthy digestive system. At your meeting with your medical advisers, ask them what you can do to improve your digestion. I believe that topic comes up a lot on CureZone, so you should find information here as well. Once you get your digestive system working properly, you can then move on to explore chelation and the other things you are considering. Often people spend too much time concentrating on ways to kill things off and not enough time rebuilding the body. Perhaps it is time to focus on reb ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Background: Heavy metals, +3 unknown fungal infection, GI issues (gastroparesis, gerd, constipation, abnormal stools, ibs/ibd, etc), fms/cfs, hormonal/nutritional/neurotransmitter imbalances, osteporosis, adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid.....) So, I tried it, despite many reservations, lots of research, and lots of meditating if this is the route to go: MMS. I used it for approx 2+ weeks and I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s probably doing me more harm than good. Maybe it helps others, but I feel my big problem is my heavy metal toxicities... I feel that chelating the metals will he ...
[retrieve this message]

---

 What’s the best way to take andrographis for entrovirus’? Would tincture be good, and can I take it with chaparral?  Andrographis can be taken with chaparral.   But I am not a big fan of tinctures.  They are really over hyped.  They are more costly and beneficial insoluble compounds are lost.  In addition the alcohol can react with some plant compounds altering their chemistry and even reducing or nullifying the effects of the herb.  And contrary to popular belief, tinctures DO NOT have an indefinite shelf life.  There shelf life is actually ...
[retrieve this message]

---

 Thanks so much James! What’s the best way to take andrographis for entrovirus’? Would tincture be good, and can I take it with chaparral?    [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

 Do the herbs pao d’arco and elderberries kill enterovirus’? Both of these are antiviral, but for enteroviruses I would focus primarily on andrographis, which has been shown effective against enteroviruses, and chaparral.   Elderberry is good, but the same problem of a high tannin content biding other herbs is present so it would have to be taken alone.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

 Do the herbs pao d’arco and elderberries kill enterovirus’? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17872383 www.enterovirusfoundation.org/symptoms.shtml Symptoms Commonly Seen for Persistent NonPolio Enteroviral Infections  Listed here are common symptoms of persistent non-polio enteroviral infection. This list is from observations made by Dr. John Chia in his Infectious Disease Medical Practice in Torrence, CA. Respiratory and/or gastrointestinal symptoms or just flu-like symptoms (fevers, body ache, headache etc.). Few virus infections present with both respi ...
[retrieve this message]

---

You know, it does sound interesting, but I have a low opinion of labs to begin with-and that’s for the simple tests. These procedures are fairly new, and can often times show false negatives\positives. I would trust it to identify the AIDS virus, but anything less obvious might get wacky results. If it was done by a reputable research clinic I would be eager. I wonder if they have such a lab in Toronto, CAN. Shroom   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I aquired my pathogen from environmental circumstances. It controls PH in the organs in inhibits, and it has amazing defences against immune-cells. I need amphotericin B. This will weaken cell-wall enough for immune-cells to do their job. Shroom   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Guys. I strongly suspect that candida/virus’s are not your problem. They are flags to your problem. Virus/Fungus/Parasites thrive in an acidic envoironement. Balance the envoironement that they have invaded, return it to its ph state and your problem goes away. As a cookie you get a life time’s worth of good health. Trying to kill the candida, you are merley shooting the messanger, because you do not undersrand the nature of the problem. ie PH Imbalance, brought on by excessive diet on mainly acid foods.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Shroom, how do you feel about PCR-tests? Have you done any?   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I would like to point out here that doing these types of tests are complicated and often times labs get the numbers wrong. My immunoglobulin tests showed normal levels, but because of my chronic allergies, I should have shown slight elevations of IgE. The subtlties in test results are often over-looked. Shroom   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Ya. I had a bad ’bout of mono 20 odd years ago. This has a lot to do with predisposition to fungal infections, but so does many other virusus particularily herpes-type virusus. Shroom   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

How are your cortisol levels? Low cortisol could perhaps explain low immune-response (IgA).   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

My test showed an sIgA value of 481 (ref. range 40-204mg/dL).   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

yeah, i have a depressed iGA too from my stool samples. i think it was like an 11. and normal was like at least 25. the doctor says i have low immunity in my gut tract. so i dont know what this means and how i fix it.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Interesting info...however..just to get this out there.... I have elevated Candida as seen on my stool test.. aaaaand I have DEPRESSED igA. Much lower than the norm actually. Not sure exactly what that implies...I would figure that to mean my immune system is weakened. But it is not elevated like yours and i have many of those symptoms. Thanks for sharing.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

All of this started with me about 4 months after I was sick with MONO! That was 2 1/2 years ago.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Another thing, in my case, I have a visual reference to the cells infecting me. By studying the morphology, I was able to determine the type of fungus\yeast, and by symptoms I could varify the specificity of the infection. This does not mean there are not other factors involved such as bacteria or virusus. It could have been a virus which allowed the C. neoformans to gain entry and establishment in the first place. Shroom   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

Yes. I have been speculating about this for some time as well. But, there are fungal manifestations which can prevent very specific effector cells {t-cells} from doing the job of cleaning out endocellular contaminants. IgA is the anti-body agent that is responsible for mucus related tissues. I think it is found in the light chain at the n terminal region of the antibody.   [End]
[retrieve this message]

---

I got news for all you people complaining about symptoms like fatigue, vision disturbances, balance impairment, stiff neck, muscle weakness, cold hands and feet, low body temperature, fever, sleep apnea, swollen lymphnodes, constipation/diarrhea, brain fog, sinus congestion, dry mucous membranes throughout the body, hair loss, dry skin, rashes, acne, etc. etc. -these are most likely caused by neurological damage! There are well-known viruses that causes this state of illness like Enterovirus, Coxsackie viruses, ECHO viruses, Polioviruses and maybe others... Google f.ex. ”Enterovirus ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Having had catastrophic relapses in which my ”Fibromyalgia” would cause a total blow-out of every past trauma over a short period of time, I had come to suspect a pathogen as the root cause. The Coxsackie B Virus already showed up on my research radar, so this confirmation by a French study is vitally important. Another French study years ago showed a laying down of Calcium in cases with a clinical presentation of neuro-muscular pain. This earlier study was also done on a small group, eleven people, with the same painful protocol used here which demands ”core samples” of muscle tissue. ...
[retrieve this message]

---

Virus Seen in Muscle from Chronic Fatigue Patients By Will Boggs, MD NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A persistent enterovirus infection in muscles may be to blame for some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome (sometimes called fibromyalgia) and others with chronic inflammatory muscle disease, a French team reports. They detected genetic material (specifically RNA) from enteroviruses in 20 percent of muscle biopsies from patients with chronic inflammatory muscle diseases and 13 percent of patients with fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue syndrome, but not from healthy volunteers. The fi ...
[retrieve this message]

---