Selection of 332 Messages Posted by boatman from the forum »News Forum«, Sorted by Date

Monsanto's army of internet shills by boatman 6 years ago 458 † C †

Re: new phone number for hutton by boatman 7 years ago 3,291

Re: new phone number for hutton by boatman 7 years ago 3,190

I notice Dr. Rowen by boatman 8 years ago 1,196

Pharmageddon: The Death of Natural Medicine? by boatman 8 years ago 542

manuka medical honey

by boatman 8 years ago 3,165 † C †

Re: Toxic Tooth—How a Root Canal Could Be Making Y... by boatman 8 years ago 2,753

Re: Toxic Tooth—How a Root Canal Could Be Making Y... by boatman 8 years ago 2,755

Re: Toxic Tooth—How a Root Canal Could Be Making Y... by boatman 8 years ago 2,842

researchers discover easy stem cell regeneration o... by boatman 9 years ago 1,681 † C †

fears can be passed down in one generation by boatman 9 years ago 1,008 † C †

a very flawed opinion by boatman 10 years ago 1,632

Johns-Hopkins surgeon looks at our medical system ... by boatman 10 years ago 999 † C †

electrohypersensitivity by boatman 11 years ago 1,030 † C †

PROVEN molecular basis for the cancer preventive e... by boatman 11 years ago 1,025 R

Our 'new' Wheat - the unhealthy whole grain by boatman 11 years ago 5,447 † C † BSA Educational

Re: Ten Health Ranger predictions about December 2... by boatman 11 years ago 1,386

The Island Where People Forget to Die by boatman 11 years ago 1,670 † C †

the flaws that will bring down OBOZOCARE by boatman 11 years ago 839

thanks InCharge...i missed that at mike adams plac... by boatman 11 years ago 3,174

this is a FACT, incharge by boatman 11 years ago 1,327

interesting research of the mechainism of silver by boatman 11 years ago 1,030

more archaic cut and burn technology by boatman 11 years ago 3,670

Re: IV VIT C n cancer by boatman 11 years ago 6,120

Re: knocked it out in 2 days by boatman 11 years ago 6,234

Re: knocked it out in 2 days by boatman 11 years ago 6,218

knocked it out in 2 days by boatman 11 years ago 6,869

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,777

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,635

Re: the sun is our friend no doubt by boatman 11 years ago 1,798

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,669

the sun is our friend no doubt by boatman 11 years ago 1,881

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,607

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,785

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,984

Re: cold and flu virus cure finally solved by boatman 11 years ago 6,780

cold and flu virus cure finally solved

by boatman 11 years ago 8,424 † C †

foods high in essential nutrients reference list by boatman 11 years ago 1,195

i can tell you bromolein stops brown recluse sider... by boatman 11 years ago 2,850

blood viscosity- the missing link to heart attacks

by boatman 12 years ago 2,636 † C †

Re: well thats good news Charger by boatman 12 years ago 1,545

Re: Confronting autism with hope, courage & raw fo... by boatman 12 years ago 2,415

well thats good news Charger by boatman 12 years ago 1,405

cancer society considers pulling colonoscopy scree... by boatman 12 years ago 1,636 † C †

Re: Counterfit Conservative by boatman 12 years ago 1,320

well, it wasn't necessarily my opinion by boatman 12 years ago 2,063

one black man's opinion on this by boatman 12 years ago 2,336

Re: Occupiers want more, why don't they occupy the... by boatman 12 years ago 1,210

socialists claim water does not prevent dehydratio... by boatman 12 years ago 1,354 † C †

go the small local bank route by boatman 12 years ago 2,704 R

bowl cancer-tumeric and quercitin by boatman 12 years ago 3,443

death and pancreatic cancer from aspirin by boatman 12 years ago 3,404

u know where u can stick your poison? by boatman 12 years ago 3,579

study links vaccines to type 1 diabetes by boatman 12 years ago 1,095 † C †

Re: LED Light Bulbs There Are Many Positive Aspect... by boatman 12 years ago 3,495

that would be great, tony by boatman 12 years ago 5,006

new phone number for hutton by boatman 12 years ago 8,894

Re: F.D.A. to Review Safety of Popular Bone Drugs by boatman 12 years ago 3,066

Re: last known Knott UBI machine in sedona,az. by boatman 12 years ago 9,299

thanks, harmony, i needed that by boatman 12 years ago 1,900

last known Knott UBI machine in sedona,az.

by boatman 12 years ago 13,002 † C †

just a very little good news on gulf oil spill by boatman 12 years ago 1,155 † C †

c'mon, incharge by boatman 12 years ago 1,855

flu nano tech by boatman 12 years ago 1,888 † C †

PETITION TO FIGHT THIS!!!!!!!!forward!!!! by boatman 12 years ago 2,570

a black day from the eurocrats

by boatman 12 years ago 2,492 † C †

one surgeon's persecution by the medical establish... by boatman 12 years ago 1,696 † C †

bioflavinoids and quercitin effective in hepatitis...

by boatman 12 years ago 4,314 † C †

counteracting radiation by boatman 12 years ago 3,061 † C †

a new cardiovascular system from your own stemcell... by boatman 12 years ago 1,514 † C †

big pharma attacks homeopathy

by boatman 12 years ago 2,244 † C †

Re: You need to see this video by boatman 12 years ago 2,900

webinar for the orthomolecularly inclined EDIT-dat... by boatman 12 years ago 2,611

micro nutritional blood testing

by boatman 12 years ago 2,047

why some still have thyroid symptoms after treatme... by boatman 12 years ago 1,066

Re: fish oil and your dog---BE CAREFUL by boatman 12 years ago 2,536

Re: fish oil and your dog---BE CAREFUL by boatman 12 years ago 2,743

fish oil and your dog---BE CAREFUL

by boatman 12 years ago 2,971 † C †

gotta be sumpin about alla this stuff tony by boatman 13 years ago 4,540

mercola on ionizing radiation by boatman 13 years ago 6,598

well i was broke by boatman 13 years ago 5,968

Re: No, thats some old buds, by boatman 13 years ago 5,911

thats a very cool avatar picture by boatman 13 years ago 6,195

airport scanning radiation real deal

by boatman 13 years ago 6,512 † C †

Re: Bread was around 30,000 years ago - study by boatman 13 years ago 2,177

Re: Bread was around 30,000 years ago - study by boatman 13 years ago 2,316

Zurich....huh by boatman 13 years ago 3,152

FDA attacks chelation

by boatman 13 years ago 3,621 † C †

i'd back off on the gluten,too,buddy...N/M by boatman 13 years ago 2,787

Re: after a lengthy interview process by boatman 13 years ago 2,271

after a lengthy interview process by boatman 13 years ago 2,508

very good online homeopathic dr. EDITTED

by boatman 13 years ago 2,508 † C †

Absolutely excellant DQ by boatman 13 years ago 3,881

and then there's the vit c study by boatman 13 years ago 2,338

YOU the man,buddy....N/M by boatman 13 years ago 5,363

always a pleasure to hear from you... by boatman 13 years ago 3,564

the return of dangerous bacon or corinthian, tony? by boatman 13 years ago 5,320

cut thru the cholesterol hype

by boatman 13 years ago 2,636 † C †

latest on DR. Wakefield and vaccines n autism by boatman 13 years ago 909 † C †

if you made $30,000 last year by boatman 13 years ago 746

obviously the vast right wing conspracy people aga... by boatman 13 years ago 1,169

hard to argue w/mike adams....ever by boatman 13 years ago 1,442

Re: higher chemo success rates for breast cancer s... by boatman 13 years ago 8,358

how could by boatman 13 years ago 4,195

interview with DR. Wakefield by boatman 13 years ago 1,090 † C †

obozocare sucks by boatman 13 years ago 1,960

Re: Vitamin E Research Ignored by Major News Media by boatman 13 years ago 4,378

thanx tony, been meaning to research this some..N/... by boatman 13 years ago 3,851

trudeau is as bad as Merck by boatman 13 years ago 5,880

kar you can't really think this is going to help by boatman 13 years ago 1,446

someone that writes books by boatman 13 years ago 8,012

it takes a professional like yourself by boatman 13 years ago 8,066

higher chemo success rates for breast cancer skewe... by boatman 13 years ago 8,274

hammer the organic chlorella Kar by boatman 13 years ago 1,893

united states bails out greece

by boatman 13 years ago 3,665 † C †

and then there was those poor horses by boatman 13 years ago 19,205

al gore now on their payroll by boatman 13 years ago 1,603

Re: stress disorders - What's the solution? by boatman 13 years ago 3,887

Re: stress disorders - What's the solution? by boatman 13 years ago 3,884

stress disorders by boatman 13 years ago 3,850

eyewitness account by boatman 13 years ago 1,506

gold manipulation will only steepen by boatman 13 years ago 3,674

Re: that's why i only have physical,.......chump by boatman 13 years ago 2,880

that's why i only have physical,.......chump by boatman 13 years ago 2,873

london gold market a ponzi scheme-whistleblower

by boatman 13 years ago 3,428 † C †

Re: due to lack of comments by boatman 13 years ago 1,981

due to lack of comments by boatman 13 years ago 1,906

i thought obozo was gonna change all this...... by boatman 13 years ago 2,621

Kar, u know its useless when..... by boatman 13 years ago 1,379

Re: for women,i totally agree,lou, but for men by boatman 13 years ago 7,276

for women,i totally agree,lou, but for men by boatman 13 years ago 7,597

Roger that, trap by boatman 13 years ago 1,908

black is white,....good is evil by boatman 13 years ago 1,156

Re: South Korea does what the US refuses to do: ... by boatman 13 years ago 1,254

there are 3 747's by boatman 13 years ago 1,911

more poison is all it is-mr.dangerousbacon by boatman 13 years ago 1,926

i don't need the FDA by boatman 13 years ago 2,214

heart arrhythmia by boatman 13 years ago 3,288

i knew there was somewhere else..roger N/M by boatman 13 years ago 1,060

really good emergency food

by boatman 13 years ago 1,275

i am the living proof......N/M by boatman 13 years ago 1,217

blood serum nutrient level tests by boatman 13 years ago 1,045 † C †

workin' for me...you are alright...N/M by boatman 13 years ago 1,166

Re: i hear what u are saying....more by boatman 13 years ago 2,127

sadly it is getting late for him....N/M by boatman 13 years ago 2,226

vitamin k essential for calcium balance by boatman 13 years ago 2,119

Re: Boatman, what supplement includes it? by boatman 13 years ago 2,224

i hear what u are saying....N/M by boatman 13 years ago 2,100

muscle testing by boatman 13 years ago 2,202

i very strongly add strontium by boatman 13 years ago 2,327

no website yet by boatman 13 years ago 6,809

Re: new test and treat rife machine on the horizon by boatman 13 years ago 6,911

Re: fascinating! by boatman 13 years ago 6,872

we already have healthcare if you want it-yuch by boatman 13 years ago 3,002

new test and treat rife machine on the horizon

by boatman 13 years ago 7,658 † C †

a modern problem for homeopathy by boatman 13 years ago 6,828

i don't doubt this at all by boatman 13 years ago 1,807

humanitarian Walt Ratterman missing in Haiti

by boatman 13 years ago 3,215 † C †

oh,i gotta left wing by boatman 14 years ago 2,846

usual socialist comment by boatman 14 years ago 2,783

if ever they shut down internet by boatman 14 years ago 2,255

Re: oh yeah man a fever is good by boatman 14 years ago 2,113

more game-changing info from Chris by boatman 14 years ago 6,336

oh yeah man a fever is good by boatman 14 years ago 2,095

Re: Acetaminophen could up asthma, wheezing risk by boatman 14 years ago 2,196

horsefeathers......N/M by boatman 14 years ago 1,492

a news break in the bone dilemma by boatman 14 years ago 10,694

when you're on the campaign trail by boatman 14 years ago 2,928

as usual i totally agree by boatman 14 years ago 3,218

funny how they can't explain by boatman 14 years ago 1,557

Re: The Little-Known Culprit Behind Clogged Arteri... by boatman 14 years ago 3,185

Re: COPD and swine flu cyklotine cure? by boatman 14 years ago 5,134

Re: COPD and swine flu cyklotine cure? by boatman 14 years ago 5,197

how 'bout Dr. Oz getting flu shot but wife by boatman 14 years ago 1,564

her boss or her lawyer........N/M by boatman 14 years ago 1,491

COPD and swine flu cyklotine cure?

by boatman 14 years ago 6,490 † C †

yes it is girly by boatman 14 years ago 1,670

this is absolutely true and by boatman 14 years ago 7,128

i echo your post,cureme....N/M by boatman 14 years ago 2,081

muscular-skeletal-tendon problems by boatman 14 years ago 6,717

Dr. Hulda Clark dies sept.3,2009

by boatman 14 years ago 3,405 † C †

Re: More prostate cancer tests don't save lives by boatman 14 years ago 2,752

Re: Cancer Drug Quadruples Cancer Risk! by boatman 14 years ago 12,295

i will get it by boatman 14 years ago 3,034

these are the same conclusions i have come to by boatman 14 years ago 2,976

oh god don't mess with their precious grass by boatman 14 years ago 3,411

Re: "Our make-believe president is a know nothing ... by boatman 14 years ago 2,232

Re:38782 by boatman 14 years ago 2,146

the worst is dealing with family by boatman 14 years ago 3,362

Re: Could Vitamin D Deficiency Cause Dementia? by boatman 14 years ago 2,198

my buddy ronnie had a heart attack at 25 by boatman 14 years ago 5,672

Life Extension Foundation is pretty good by boatman 14 years ago 1,323

16 out of 17 people i know with hep c by boatman 14 years ago 2,739

i'm not even going to say anything by boatman 14 years ago 1,836

guess there's hope by boatman 14 years ago 2,130

Re: get ready to be criminalized by boatman 14 years ago 1,070

Re: What the communist healthcare advocates don't ... by boatman 14 years ago 3,257

i believe salmonella forms on the OUTside of the e... by boatman 14 years ago 2,078

more contrived studies is all it is by boatman 14 years ago 2,669

When they ran out of hospital beds in 1917 by boatman 14 years ago 376

Re: VitD-Curcumin combo Offers Brain-Health Potnti... by boatman 14 years ago 1,817

Re: Big Pharma & Friends Poised for Massive Profit... by boatman 14 years ago 730

roger that,DQ by boatman 14 years ago 2,244

my personal favorite by boatman 14 years ago 2,292

Re: Is John Travolta cracking up? It's not just gr... by boatman 14 years ago 32,043

coq10-the vitale nutrient statins decrease by boatman 14 years ago 3,253

yeah, just think, by boatman 14 years ago 1,765

Re: Campaign For Liberty message re:Healthcare by boatman 14 years ago 1,052

never even considered wanting it by boatman 14 years ago 743

guess that lets me out by boatman 14 years ago 1,621

if i had by boatman 14 years ago 1,642

sara by boatman 14 years ago 1,707

Re: Statins Given to Prevent Pneumonia in Elderly ... by boatman 14 years ago 2,079

Re: Obama Science Czar’s Plan To Sterilize Populat... by boatman 14 years ago 3,633

absolutely.and most will look in disbelief..N/M by boatman 14 years ago 1,095

Re: Tylenol -also kidney damage by boatman 14 years ago 1,007

tony,a root canal almost killed me by boatman 14 years ago 10,949 R

if you really read up on colonoscopys...... by boatman 14 years ago 3,362

unbelieable the foods i can stuff my raw brocolli ... by boatman 14 years ago 2,811

Where are you getting your seeds, UNY?....N/M by boatman 14 years ago 1,083

Re: Antibiotics - More Dangerous Than You Thought by boatman 14 years ago 1,616

"the most benefical cure since penicillin" by boatman 14 years ago 3,980

JR: therapeutic dose of d3 for cancer patients is by boatman 15 years ago 3,815

Paul- a role model for humanity by boatman 15 years ago 1,787

good adice from a good source,chris by boatman 15 years ago 1,930

because it addresses the ultimate cause of everyth... by boatman 15 years ago 2,038

that's an excellent brand,and it did not cause you... by boatman 15 years ago 2,207

i am glad prednisone has kept you alive by boatman 15 years ago 2,121

hard to disengage gracefully when mom involved,grz by boatman 15 years ago 2,202

my 87 yr old buddy frank, by boatman 15 years ago 2,538

every chance i get grz,mostly they don't listen by boatman 15 years ago 2,132

I've had to watch them kill soo many friends and r... by boatman 15 years ago 2,111

Yes, Lue, and fish oil and bromelian working good by boatman 15 years ago 2,808

they're not the only people in this crusade i won'... by boatman 15 years ago 1,570

laibow & company are glorified used car salespeopl... by boatman 15 years ago 3,659

CNN- the Communist News Network by boatman 15 years ago 1,158

liabow & stubblebine masquarding as naturalpaths t... by boatman 15 years ago 3,827

my mom thinks amalgum fillings must be good for yo... by boatman 15 years ago 2,139

instant gratification reduces your attention span by boatman 15 years ago 870

It can't be good by boatman 15 years ago 1,085

Thanks Bio, great post to freak your mom & aunts o... by boatman 15 years ago 2,063

Quintia suggestion good and by boatman 15 years ago 2,752

running sets me free,sometimes it feels like flyin... by boatman 15 years ago 1,446

ought to give them an earfull OF mercury!...N/M by boatman 15 years ago 1,216

Hear-hear, hear-hear!.....N/M by boatman 15 years ago 1,346

Yes, LuellaMay, it's hard to pick a bone with Mike... by boatman 15 years ago 1,383

YEEEAH BAY-BEE ...that's what we're talkin about! by boatman 15 years ago 2,236

novel drug therapy IMMEDIATELY REVERSES alzheimer'... by boatman 15 years ago 820 † C †

This government,that government, gov'mnt is gov'm... by boatman 15 years ago 2,368

Re: 300% rise in MS cases due to fear of skin canc... by boatman 15 years ago 2,749

parkinson's is always caused by some toxicity by boatman 15 years ago 3,035

Old fashioned is good, Peggy, N/M by boatman 15 years ago 2,558

Re: Strong Body, Strong Bones - Six Steps to Preve... by boatman 15 years ago 2,843

Parkinson's cured by 2nd level tuberculosis drug

by boatman 15 years ago 3,853 † C †

300% rise in MS cases due to fear of skin cancer?

by boatman 15 years ago 3,155 † C †

Socialist Sweden has the highest suicide rate in t... by boatman 15 years ago 2,453

oil is a symptom just like cancer by boatman 15 years ago 891

i'm going to buy enough for the rest of my life by boatman 15 years ago 5,653

just because somebody will loan you more than u ca... by boatman 15 years ago 2,451

EDITTED REREAD! FDA banning bioidentical hormones.... by boatman 15 years ago 1,197 † C †

roger on the iodine connection,trap.just took mine... by boatman 15 years ago 1,789

that or a comet is just a dice toss away by boatman 15 years ago 1,462

i really thought my creamy bananma memories were d... by boatman 15 years ago 1,284

Re: Vitamin D & Autism by boatman 15 years ago 1,831

oil of oregeno by boatman 15 years ago 1,281

omega 3's, vegetables reduce alzheimer's risk by boatman 15 years ago 1,093 † C †

Re: Diet and Epilepsy: A Natural Approach to a Vex... by boatman 15 years ago 2,915

15 of 17 hep c people i know have under 160 chol.N... by boatman 15 years ago 5,786

Re: Lower your cholesterol and prevent heart disea... by boatman 15 years ago 5,697

feeling better already,tony...N/M by boatman 15 years ago 1,198

Re: Turmeric Component Curcumin Improves Cardiovas... by boatman 15 years ago 1,585

Re: A $6 Natural Cure to Poor Liver Function. by boatman 15 years ago 1,382

Re: Low cholesterol linked to stomach cancer risk by boatman 15 years ago 1,613

Re: Low cholesterol linked to stomach cancer risk by boatman 15 years ago 1,411

Low male hormone levels increase risk of early dea... by boatman 15 years ago 877 † C †

Nobody more against vaccines more than me by boatman 15 years ago 1,729

vitamin d deficiency implicated in autism

by boatman 15 years ago 2,433 † C †

Re: Vitamin D May Block Cancer and Other Diseases by boatman 15 years ago 2,646

yeah right.. that's all we need.. by boatman 15 years ago 1,449

great post.until those FDA jerks ok it use this... by boatman 15 years ago 1,259

read jenny mcarthy's book by boatman 15 years ago 3,701

As they were to you,on some level,you are to us N/... by boatman 15 years ago 2,673

with epedemic obesity & #2 diabetes from sugar? go... by boatman 16 years ago 819

Re: How Many Ridiculous "Disorders" Do YOU Suffer ... by boatman 16 years ago 10,584

Chris....... by boatman 16 years ago 2,071

Re: Diet and Epilepsy - Natural Help for a Vexing ... by boatman 16 years ago 3,770

Re: DQ by boatman 16 years ago 5,204

The "weeee" part is not lost on me, Rayny.Go DQ.N/... by boatman 16 years ago 5,082

My mom's almost breast cancer tragedy by boatman 16 years ago 5,338

This is another great post by Chris...N/M by boatman 16 years ago 635

I'm with you all the way,woody N/M by boatman 16 years ago 5,113

Re: autism can be treated.....absolutely, Chris by boatman 16 years ago 2,254

Re: more Statin Damage by boatman 16 years ago 1,048

dangerous bacon causing colon cancer by boatman 16 years ago 626 † C †

Speedgirlly-Here's another possible reason by boatman 16 years ago 1,393

Roger on the queen,doll,in retro.,i shld hv gssed by boatman 16 years ago 1,764

I'm with you all the way,speedy...and i have a req... by boatman 16 years ago 1,791

Me too.just adding irony for levity...N/M by boatman 16 years ago 2,125

Considering your posts,you are hereby granted exem... by boatman 16 years ago 2,135

oops,editted my post after you read it N/M by boatman 16 years ago 2,181

After all he did invent the internet.. by boatman 16 years ago 2,184

Don't get me wrong, DQ by boatman 16 years ago 2,259

Gunk in the air is bad, no doubt! by boatman 16 years ago 2,273

Should read "prize for hipocrisy" by boatman 16 years ago 2,606 R

Re: My two cents.....and two more by boatman 16 years ago 1,796

Re: Danger Lurking by boatman 16 years ago 1,904

Re: Corporate Greed, Intellectual Property Laws an... by boatman 16 years ago 1,501

Re: New attack on herbal medicine by Prof Ernst an... by boatman 16 years ago 2,132

Re: Officials say drug caused Nigeria polio - edit by boatman 16 years ago 2,442

Re: Vitamin D Boosts Health, Cuts Cancer Risk in H... by boatman 16 years ago 873

Ditto......N/M by boatman 16 years ago 1,285

Re: Does America need Canadian style health care? by boatman 16 years ago 1,952

Re: The boy .....is an extreme celiac,no mystery a... by boatman 16 years ago 1,711

Re: is an extreme celiac, EDIT by boatman 16 years ago 1,789

Re:vitamin e....good post.bad synthetic e by boatman 16 years ago 2,678

Re: The boy .....is an extreme celiac,no mystery a... by boatman 16 years ago 1,707

Re: Mom's Low Cholesterol Tied to Preemie Births by boatman 16 years ago 1,034

Re: Mom's Low Cholesterol Tied to Preemie Births by boatman 16 years ago 983

Re: The boy .....is an extreme celiac,no mystery a... by boatman 16 years ago 1,779

Re: is an extreme celiac, EDIT by boatman 16 years ago 1,820

Re: The boy .....is an extreme celiac,no mystery a... by boatman 16 years ago 1,967

Re: A Trial.....I hear the sound of marching boots by boatman 16 years ago 2,806

Re: Treating Sleep Apnea Helps the Heart by boatman 16 years ago 4,334

Re: Treating Sleep Apnea Helps the Heart by boatman 16 years ago 4,307

Re: Grocery...Corn plus coal equals fuel plus smok... by boatman 16 years ago 1,144

Re: A Trial.....I hear the sound of marching boots by boatman 16 years ago 3,085

Re: Thimerosal and Vaccines ......you can have em' by boatman 16 years ago 2,324

my proof of validity of Acupuncture by boatman 16 years ago 9,021

Re:vitamin e....good post.bad synthetic e by boatman 16 years ago 2,721

Re: Lipid Lowering and Risk of Statin Side Effect... by boatman 16 years ago 1,059

Re: In the same class as drugs like Fosamax? Oh bo... by boatman 16 years ago 2,069

Re: Doctors Fail to Recognize Anti-Depressants Dan... by boatman 16 years ago 5,824