Date:   9/17/2007 11:44:14 PM ( 17 y ago)
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>>You WERE one of the "pioneers". You were one of the original (wanna-be) mega-dosers and you bullied those who didn't agree with you<<

I believed in the works & writings of allopathic md's & researchers blindly...I believed that Iodine supplementation above & beyond the quantity of what one's body needs is a safe way to detoxify the body. I wanted to detoxify my body; I want/wanted others to do the same. If I bullied people (which of course, I don't feel I ever did), it was on the side of strongly telling/explaining not to overreact to tiny little quirks after a few drops of Iodine for a few days or not understanding the importance of removing poisons from the body - and elaborating the importance of removing poisons from the body. "wanna-be"? Again, basing my knowledge on the works of allopathic researchers and the "limited published" clinical trials, was my fault & error and the root cause of all my issues. So I desired to have the ability to experiment, but I NEVER bullied or suggested that more than what the body needs SHOULD be ingested (as in the 50 mg 1-3 months sufficiency). Although I remember several times telling people that very high doses had been used throughout history as a successful treatment for various diseases. 'Twas my own blind enthusiasm that caused me to ignore the fact that those high doses had NEVER been for extended periods of time.

>>And you had a hard time with supplementation all along. I recall you saying that you couldn't go over 25 mg without severe detox. But yet, you bullied others. YOU refused to hear anything negative.<<

Your recall of my experience & postings is different than my own. Yes, I did have 'bromine biscuit' strong detox (and I assumed some of it had to do with the long term use of fluoridated antidepressant). You recall I refused to hear anything negative; I recall adamantly encouraging people to support their organs/systems of elimination when reporting 'the inevitable negative' of detoxification symptoms & issues. I still believe Lugol's Solution will rid the body of toxic halogens and heavy metals...I no longer think it's the safest way to go about it.

Regarding this paragraph:...

" It seems now the entire WVT Iodine Supplementation has totally lost their pioneering spirit...and that truly alarms me. True pioneers and true healers examine ALL sides of every substance and protocol...the propensity for healing, the propensity for damage, and the the potential effects (both negative and positive) for everything in every aspect of the human body. They now all seem to be on the "penicillin is a miracle" wave...and scarily, that wave may just turn out to be a violent tsunami in the months, years, or decades to come."

...the name of the forum is V W T; there is no way any CZer can avoid lumping all three owners together when commenting on attitude & action (and personality) of the forum. You can be assured, my comments were only meant to include you in the regards that you allow your fellow team members to forge ahead with rudeness; blocking, banning, and attacking those with 'perceived negative' input or those that challenge their egos...without so much as a comment or correction from you (virtually always in the cases/posts I have seen). Wombat, you have always been the 'core' of sanity, reasonableness, responsibility, information gathering and disperal and every aspect of the Iodine Supplementation Forum that remains positive, organized and balanced. I have seen your posts of not desiring to correct/conflict, take responsibility for, or address issues/posts you may disagree with from those of your fellow team members. But you're the W, in VWT...so one cannot speak positively or negatively of VWT without including you. It must be very frustrating for you in many regards, and I've commensurated with your position many a time in my heart. As all of us, you're bound by your own ethics. You now call me 'a bully', but in the last months you've seen more bullying and downright rudeness from your team members in your own forum than you've EVER seen from me (and countless complaints of the same all over Curezone)...but you've remained 'peepless'. (perfect example: V banning Grz after deleting selective parts of his post - your response? addressing V's 'bullying' or trying to rectify the banning situation of one of THE most intelligent, experienced & educated members of CZ so he could continue to add to your forum? ???). Frustratingly for many of us that have incredible amounts of praise & respect for your undying (and seemingly inexhaustable efforts), you choose to allow your team members to censor information, treat others rudely and lay down challenges that continue to incite usage of iodine in large doses based on the incomplete studies of allopathic medicine. So as far as your bullying accusations of my posts made long ago (when I've admitted I was in error in my understanding at the time), perhaps your energies & accusations might be more effective & healing, by using them to preven others from being bullied, censored and pushed to up their dosages with 'between the lines' challenges & gauntlets (that are constantly denied because "I never told anyone to do anything but follow their own intuition). Or maybe not.

>>>So, it didn't work out as you had hoped. Your 'hit it hard & fast turbo-charged halogen flush' didn't work out, for whatever reason. I have my suspicions as to why, I've seen a couple of people(3, to be exact, yourself included) now with a history of fluoride-based drug use report hair loss and other difficulties. These are suspicions, only.<<<

Obviously it didn't. Had I not wholeheartedly subscribed to the research & incomplete clinical studies of the iodine docs (and not been psychologically impacted by strong personalities with even more faith in allopathic medicine than myself) I would not have been as adversely affected. 'Twas my bottle of Lugol's and I raised the dropper that put every drop into my body. Your perception of "hit it hard & fast turbo-charged halogen flush' would make trapper crack up with laughter. I took 0-100 milligrams of Lugol's Solution from the end of February - June. I'd say the average dose daily was in the 25-50 mg range - there were constant three-day breaks, 4-5 days of 100 mgs, and two 7-9 day breaks in that. That's far from your assertation of 'turbo charged'. Three people with past history of fluoride drug use with hair loss and other difficulties...it's the start of a theory, anyway. I've read several posts of people experiencing the same symptoms (less & worse) with no fluoride drug use and only two or three days of supplementation on the Yahoo Forum.

>>And now you accuse those of us who have chosen to stay and HELP of not doing enough, while you, without the results you hoped for, seem to have made it your life's purpose to tear us down, from personal attacks to saying we're not doing enough.<<

First of all, I have NEVER denied the validity of our bodies needing iodine, and I have never posted or told anybody to do anything but start slowly (since my situation occured). When MD's were STARTING patients at 50mg daily, I made the mistake of repeating their 'treatment regimes'. I see nothing on the VWT forum of any leaders discussing or learning what the allopathic physicians & researchers left out or was not addressed. I see the forum leaders (or the forum leaders allowing) every symptoms to be chalked up as detox...and those that aren't having the "right" reactions being told there's something different or wrong with them. Good grief, gal...those of us that would glady (or would have gladly) done more and offered a balance to the scale/picture have been clearly banned, threatened with banning, disallowed from posting their thoughts (and I've been admonished to make sure and copy/save my posts because they might be deleted). Those of us that have been disallowed/limited/threatened with the open sharing of our thoughts and information have every right & reason to illuminate the fact that the open flow of information is not allowed on the VWT forum.

Personal attacks? PUHLEEZ Personal attacks consist of purposeless, vindictive accusations that serve no purpose except to degrade another human being. That would be something like that lil' post of Trappers accusing me of being a "gross fabricator and beacon of bias" (that has so conveniently disappeared). My purpose (as I have ALWAYS made completely clear) in pointing out ANY person's fault or negative aspect or to enlighten others of the same is the same as any of the great personalities I so respect (Jesus, Ghandi et, al). Did Jesus "personally attack" the Scribes & Pharisees? Or did he shine the light of truth upon their actions & attitudes so that others might not fall prey or be wounded/hurt by their actions? When people become enormously egoically (and now trapper, financially) involved in a protocol or supplement and they show all varieties of rudeness, censorship, banning and derision to others that attempt to offer alternate viewpoints, there is cause for those that see the truth, to say so clearly. I would stand alone on these issues if I had to, but I don't stand alone at all.

That I didn't have the results I had hoped for most definitely allowed me to dig deeper into the clinical studies and other Iodine Forum s & experiences available to me on the 'net, realize that 'negative cases', bad reactions (or those dropping out of the treatment) were not clearly addressed by the famed iodine docs, and recall those warning signs that were shouting at me at the beginning of my iodine journey...which I pushed aside. I would NEVER deny any person the truth of the body's necessity for iodine - and I would certainly never be so shallow as to lash out at others in personal attacks because my body had an adverse reaction to iodine. I will always, however, state the truth as I see it if I fear someone's health has the potential to be compromised by ANYone giving health advise to others. And I expect the same in return.


>>WE are continuing to WORK on this, we are trying to add to our knowledge base. And since we ARE pioneers, who among us was to know what ill-effects you would suffer from this? And this CONCERNS me, as it should concern us all.<<

With my reading & time being sporadic, I am not aware of all your recent advances. If y'all have made a section or faq about possible adverse reactions, possible long-term harm to organs by massive release of toxins & heavy metals, symptoms of too much iodine, possible problems with relying upon the "blinders applied" research of allopathic medicine, then you HAVE been doing all you can do. The VWT forum long ago had the "here's the allopathic protocol; here's the supplements; here's the benefits; here's the obvious" down pat. What is left is to balance the picture with 'scientific facts' with the even harder to find truths.

short aside: the difference between a fact and the truth? (picture 'the fact' and make a determination about the demeanor of cavemen) The fact: a caveman is hunched over, snarling viciously & drooling maniacly, massive club raised above his head ready to spring forward.

The truth? in front of the caveman is a sabre-tooth tiger - behind him, his wife & beloved children.

>>And, Grz posted his difficulties in the debate forum as well. NOT in the support forum, to my recollection. Why?<<

I don't know why Grz posted where he posted originally on that topic (or when/what post you're referring to). I recall a thread in the debate forum that he added his experiences and reactions to, but none that he started IN the debate forum to advise of caution or report adverse effects before he was banned. Why would anybody choose to post in the debate forum rather than the VWT forum regarding adverse reactions? With all due respect, Wombat...that gets a HUGE smirk. Maybe the saw the way I was treated when I reported my adverse reactions in the same forum.

>>WE are still working on it. What are you doing? Think about it.<<

What am *I* doing? I am working diligently to undo the damage my body (and life and income) has incurred by blindly trusting the 'authorities' on iodine supplementation. I am recording my symptoms and healing modalities, and attempting to flood my anxiety -riddled mind and weakened spirit/body with even deeper knowledge & understanding...so that I can heal myself faster and be a great benefit to others that may experience variations of the same breakdown of their body. I would have GLADLY added that information to the most logical place...but I have no desire or strength to fight the Powers That Be in the VWT Forum, and so I make do with the forum that is the next most logical place. Y'all have every positive aspect covered. If you & yours can't see there's a need for addressing & researching ALL of the potential negative reactions of supplementing iodine while filling your body with other supplements (that may cause their own negative reactions), and you continue to believe and tell others that I am guilty of personal attacks and accusations because I didn't get the results I hoped for (when my intent and concern for others is plainly clear)...well then, you can expect more of the same from this ole gal. Because only a balanced picture is the real picture...and having the partial picture and believing in it blindly cost me a LOT.

I am learning and unlearning many things as I walk down my life's pathways - I wish that for everyone.

Unyquity

P.S. I have spent nearly 4 hours composing this post...because I respect you, want to be sure my intentions are understood as I intend them to be, and because I care about other people's health & well-being. However, this was time I was supposed to be preparing for our eBay listings...and I absolutely have no additional 'long windows' to be able to address a lengthy reply from you (if you choose to reply at all, or with any length). I'm not trying to stop you from replying or insinuate I don't care about the validity of your thoughts, I just want to let you know I won't have very much time to respond. (Of course, if any lies about my intent would be stated, I may find it necessary to find the time to set the record straight).
 

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