Date:   9/12/2007 9:56:05 AM ( 17 y ago)
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Which Conspiracy?

Conspiracy theories abound. They’re everywhere. Who ya gonna believe when it comes to all this stuff? If you believe the press the conspiracy theories are bad, bad, bad. The people that embrace those nasty conspiracy theories are right wing whacko’s. I’ve heard it said many times by the mainstream media and talk show hosts. They always brush it off - belittling and making light of the conspiracy theorists. Like it's a normal thing for there to be whacko’s out there so you don’t have to pay any attention to them.

In the meantime, the news the mainstream media is bringing us is more unbelievable than the conspiracy theories the so-called whacko’s are bringing us. At least the whacko’s conspiracy theories make sense. The news certainly doesn’t.

What is a conspiracy anyway? The dictionary says it’s a plot, especially an illegal one. Well yeah, that makes sense. The word theory means supposition, speculation, unproven, an attempt to explain specific phenomenon. In other words - possibilities. You can’t really prove these things like you can prove gravity works but you can come up with certain high percentage possibilities because of the facts surrounding the event or circumstance. Conspiracy theory - the possibilities of who did the plotting to do the nasty deed.

So lets get outside it all and take a look. Which conspiracy theories are more plausible, make more sense, are more believable? Can’t prove any of them. Can’t prove conclusively the ones brought to you by the Conspiracy boys and you can’t prove conclusively the ones brought to you by the media. Are they ALL lies???

The most recent conspiracy theory revolves around the World Trade Center - The infamous 9/11 terrorist attack. For sure it was a terrorist attack - but by whom??? The conspiracy boys say it was done by the same “peoples” that took out Kennedy and want to bring you this New World Order. The Media says it was done by some guy out in the middle of the desert over in Pakistan somewhere. I wonder who’s right?

My opinion is it was done by the same “peoples” that took out Kennedy. The same “peoples” that are trying to bring us this New World Order. I opine that because if you take a look at the facts it makes more sense to believe it was a demolition than it was a fire. The “facts” surrounding the whole thing, to me, dictate that it had to be a demolition.

Well, if that’s what it was there goes the terrorist threat by the guy in the desert. Indeed, makes the terrorists someone in our own homeland. Oh-oh, not good, can’t go there, people aren’t ready to accept that proposition yet. So, the conspiracy theory by the desert guy holds sway. And it sure does give a great excuse to go to war. And war is soooo good for the economy, surely everyone will be happy with that. Get the patriotism going too; pass more laws that take away more of our freedoms. Take the guns away from everybody. Got to get rid of those evil terrorists.

I like what Ellen Taylor said about the 9/11 conspiracies in the Eureka Reporter:

“That 19 young men, with poor English and terrible flying skills, could overpower pilots, evade FAA radar and, performing sophisticated aerial maneuvers, take out the World Trade Center, the most heavily defended structure on the planet, guided by a man in a cave 13,000 miles away, is the most farfetched conspiracy theory one could imagine”.

Then she goes on to list some “facts” surrounding the entire 9/11 terrorist act.

“Other enigmas beset the most docile believer:

+ Osama bin Laden denied responsibility for the crime five days later, in
His last genuine appearance.

+ No Arab names are recorded on the passenger lists of the flights.

+ War games, a hijacking scenario, sent most of the Air Force, which until
that date had a record of prompt interceptions, over Canada that very day.

+ No steel building has ever been brought down by fire, and the collapse
of the twin towers had multiple features that suggested controlled
demolition.

+ There is the inexplicable collapse of the 47-story WTC Building 7, which
had not been hit, and which its lessor, Larry Silverstein, confessed to
having ordered "pulled."

+ The evidence was hastily removed.

+ And on and on.

Nettling conflicts of interest also riddle the tale.

+ The WTC was a "white elephant" in need of asbestos removal.

+ Developers and financiers, such as David Rockefeller, Peter Peterson and
Larry Silverstein, profited billions from its demolition, both from
insurance and ensuing wars.

+ President Bush’s brother Marvin was a principal in Securacom, the
company which provided security for the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles
Airport.

+ The government flew scores of Bin Ladens out of the country three days
after the catastrophe.

+ The oil and armaments industries, to which the Bushes and Cheney owe
their fortunes, have made astronomical profits since they began the wars.
And on and on”. Ellen Taylor, Eureka Reporter.

One more thing; the eyewitness’s were ignored by the investigating committee and people didn’t catch what they were saying anyway. Just this past year for two weeks prior to the anniversary of the event there was plenty of eyewitness’s interviewed on TV relating their tragic story. People that were there, on the ground, even some firefighters that were in the buildings when they came down. ALL OF THEM said they heard the explosions BEFORE the buildings fell. Two or three explosions - ALL OF THEM heard the explosions BEFORE the buildings fell. The investigating committee ignored it and the public didn’t hear it.

A few more "facts" for you. There was no jet engines found at the Pentagon or in Pennsyvania.

No dead bodies from the aircrafts at either site.

The jet engine found on the street in NYC was NOT the same jet engine used in the 757's they say hit the WTC.

Flight 93 landed safely in Cleveland.

Well, there’s just a few of the facts ladies and gentlemen. Undeniable facts, what are you going to do about it?

You’ll do nothing because there’s nothing that CAN be done. Absolutely nothing. If you doubt that go ahead and try. You’ll be stonewalled at every turn. Nobody will “believe” you. Besides, what are you going to do? Go to the press about this? Hey, they already know. They’ve been told NOT to report it. Maybe you should contact your Congressmen and Senators and even the President to make sure they know all these little details? I can assure you they already know.

And thus the absurdity of the medias conspiracy theory legitimizes the conspiracy theory that conspiracy whacko’s talk about.

The whacko’s theory goes something like this. The “rich men of the world” own the whole show and they want a slave state where they literally are God. In order to do that they control all the major governments of the world who HAVE to do what they say or the individuals in that government are ruined. (assassination, scandal, etc.) Which explains why there are so many criminals in politics. Gives the money boys something to hold over their head, which guarantees they will do their bidding for them. Plus the criminal has very little morals to start with. They serve each other well. Symbiosis.

The theory states that there IS a very well thought out agenda that is social engineering at its finest. From the creation of terminal diseases, to the mass drugging of society, to contrived wars, to free trade, to illegal drugs, to filling the prisons, to manipulating the stock market, to the price of gas, even to manipulating the various religions of the world to do their bidding. Ultimately ending in a third world war pitting one “society” against another with the use of atomic weapons that wipe out a third of mankind. Once all those extra people are gone they take over. Put everybody in dormitories and control the masses from cradle to grave. A literal slave state.

The Conspiracy theory brought to us by the whacko’s simply states that there IS someone at the top who controls the whole show - period. It’s their money. Nothing happens without their complete knowledge and control of it happening. And they’ve got some very convincing facts to back them up. Facts that you are told don’t exist, are told to “never mind” about, are told, “Oh, it’s just those whacko’s again”. Yet their theories make complete and total sense when compared to the medias theories, which are so full of holes you could drive a truck through them. As Ellen so eloquently stated above.

The drawback with the whacko’s theories is that the Conspiracy is sooooooo big. I mean, they can’t control everything can they??? It’s almost like you can’t fit it all in your head. J. Edgar Hoover (remember him? Creator of the FBI) said it best "The conspiracy is so bit the avergae person cannot accept it as fact, it overwhelms him".

Which theory are you going to believe? Just because the media theory is the one you hear about all the time doesn’t mean it’s true. But, you HAVE to go along with it otherwise you’re labeled a right wing whacko and summarily dismissed.

9/11 is the most recent one but you can go back and compare these conspiracy theories. Each event has it’s own theories. One, the official conspiracy brought to you by the government and the media, the other brought to you by the whacko’s.

Oklahoma City, Waco Texas, Gordon Call, Randy Weaver, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Kennedy. Lets take a look.

How can you tell which conspiracy theorists in correct? You got the medias conspiracy and you’ve got the whacko’s conspiracy. Which one is true?

In the medias conspiracy theories there is an abundant amount of similarities that follow all of them around. They all have a very familiar pattern they follow. One, two, three, four. They all have specific things that happen with the actual tragic event, and the events that follow the tragedy. It’s predictable. In police circles it’s called “M-O”. Method of Operation. And all these similarities seem to legitimize the whacko’s theories. I mean, what the media is asking us to believe about the specific event is so absurd you end up thinking. “This can’t be right can it?” The stupidity of it all is hard to accept. Yet we must because that’s the “official” story.

So lets take one of these tragic events and dissect it. Break it down to individual things. We’ll start with Kennedy because that’s the first one I remember. I was in 10th grade at the time sitting in Algebra class. It came over the loud speaker. “President Kennedy has been assassination”. We were stunned. Life stopped. The girls started sobbing and carrying on, the teacher couldn’t teach. Total and complete disbelief. How can that happen???

1. The event happens. Kennedy was assassinated.
2. The perpetrator is discovered immediately. Oswald gets caught and with that a full and complete profile of Oswald is spread around the world. Within hours of the assassination everybody knows who did it.
3. The evidence gets tampered with or outright destroyed.
4. The eyewitnesses are ignored or dismissed altogether. Some even to meet tragic ends in questionable “accidents”.
5. Government investigates the tragedy.
6. The “official” version of the tragedy is made public.
7. Closure. It’s a done deal. You dare NOT question any of the above.

That’s how it’s done. That’s the scenario in each one of these events that now has the conspiracy whacko’s coming up with their own story of the events. Can you blame them?

I think it was Napoleon who said something to the effect that “you don’t have to cover-up a lie forever, just long enough so it doesn’t matter anymore”.

With that in mind, what do we NOW know as factual about the Kennedy assassination? Too big a topic to go into here - Kennedy, Oswald, Ruby, Warren commission, Garrison and much more so I’ll just cover the basics.

1. Kennedy gets shot. The first question is WHY??? Who the hell would want to take out such a nice guy as that? Everybody loved him. He was giving us the American dream. Leading us to a bright and promising future.

To answer that question there are many speculations and some very intriguing facts.

1. He was getting us out of Vietnam
2. He was taking apart the CIA.
3. He was printing “legal” money.

The “legal” money part is what everybody missed. Which appears to be by design. Nobody in the press said anything about the “United States Notes” that Kennedy had authorized to make. Legal money - Debt free money. Lincoln had tried to do the same thing 100 years ago and met the same fate. When Lincoln started printing “legal money” it inspired the famous banker Rothschild himself to give a stern warning to the monarchies of Europe to “Watch out” if the United States has debt free money, their own money, it would put an end to the monarchies themselves. They would be out of business and fade into history - nonexistent.

An interesting side note here. The monarchies of Europe own our Federal Reserve. That’s who we owe our National debt to. The same “peoples” we fought our Revolutionary war against to be free of. That’s a fact. No conspiracy there.

The above appear to be some very good reasons why someone would want to take Kennedy out. However, the story we were told to believe was that it was a lone gunman, a crazy madman by the name of Oswald, acting on his own that did it. And of course that’s what the Warren Commission “proved”.

Of course, now, over 40 years after the fact, you can plainly see Oswald didn’t do it. He didn’t assassinate Kennedy - period. The Zapruder film PROVES that. It puzzled me why Time magazine got to hold onto the Zapruder film all those years too. Why a magazine? Shouldn’t something that important be under “official” lock and key? I remember thinking that way back then. Why Time Magazine???

Napoleon was right. Now it doesn’t matter that the truth comes to light.

1. Kennedy gets shot. The first question may be why but the second question must be HOW? The President of the United Sates is the most highly guarded person on the planet. How could someone break through all that security to even get to him?

We find out years later that the security that is normally there when any President travels wasn’t there that day. The guy that usually heads that up was out of the country. Hmmm- no security.

2. Oswald gets caught. What’s baffling about that is the whole world knew who this guy was in very minute detail within hours after the assassination. His whole life story was reported around the world. Pretty good reporting on some obscure madman - a lone assassin.

3. The evidence gets manipulated, destroyed or changed to fit the “official” conspiracy. With the Kennedy assassination it was an amazing thing to behold.

Kennedy’s body was highjacked from Texas (which is illegal by the way) and by the time it got to Maryland it was in a different coffin, completely undressed and seriously manipulated and mutilated. The autopsy was a joke and the guy that officially did it died under mysterious circumstances when he attempted to go public with what he knew.

Anybody that did try to get the truth by legitimate investigation (Garrison and others) was stonewalled by government officials every step of the way.

4. The eyewitness’s were completely ignored and belittled. Only the segments of the eyewitness’s story, which confirmed the “official” story, were accepted. Many of the eyewitness’s were pressured into giving what “officials” wanted to hear. And even then there was some very creative editing going on.

5. A government committee is set up to investigate the tragedy. The guys that investigated it, the Warren Commission, were sworn enemies of Kennedy. Guys that he had fired. Anybody in government circles that tried to question the official story was summarily removed from the scene. They lost their government job, or scandal in the press overwhelmed them right out of office. Never to be heard from again.

6. The “official” version hits the streets and is widely accepted by “the people” only because it leads to-

7. Closure, it’s a done deal. Now we can go merrily about our business and everyday lives. Whew, sure am glad they got that mess all cleaned up. The biggest factor being that it IS all behind us now. We don’t have to think about it anymore. As long as the “officials” are happy with it who cares…..Carry on.

You can apply those 7 steps to any major tragedy that is surrounded by questionable events. That is literally how they all “go down”.

The event happens, you’re told almost immediately who did it and why they did it. The evidence gets manipulated or outright destroyed. The investigating committee brushes aside any of the eyewitness’s and, anybody that’s doing any legitimate investigation is ignored. If any of the active politicians question the “findings” of the committee their political career is over and they are ruined socially, or worse. The committee gives the conspiracy its seal of approval and we can all go home now.

That scenario has played out many, many times over the years.

Bobby Kennedy. Same-same. Assassination - who did it - evidence lost, manipulated or destroyed. Eyewitnesses gone. Officials that object? Gone. Official story - closure.

Martin Luther King. Same-same. Even though Mrs. King won the civil suit where her lawyers proved conclusively the James Ear Ray DIDN’T do it. Too late. Closure had already happened.

Waco, Texas. Evidence gone. All the people arrested from the Waco compound acquitted, innocent of the crimes they were accused of. The children that survived were healthy, very well behaved, very happy, and two or three grades ahead of other children their age in public school.

Waco bothered me. Here we have this scenario playing out right in front of the whole world and yet nobody could see what was happening. They killed almost a hundred people. Men, women and CHILDREN, burned the whole place down and nobody saw it. Used our own military to do it too. Nobody saw that either. There it was right on TV. All you had to do is turn the sound off. They killed all those people, burned the place right to the ground. Nobody saw it. WHY??? Turns out most people can’t see what they are looking at without being told what they are seeing. A very sad commentary on society. But I’ll just bet Koresh never killed a single person.

Oklahoma City, evidence gone within two weeks of the disaster. The good people of Oklahoma City tried for a few years with a Grand Jury to find out what “really” happened. You guessed it, stonewalled at every turn.

And now the 9/11 tragedy with the resultant war on terrorism. Does it matter that for the past 20 years the local and State police have been training for terrorism? Training for the implementation of Martial law? Does it matter that the guy in the cave on the other side of the planet is getting all the blame? Sure it does - he HAS to get the blame. At this stage of the game we HAVE to have terrorism just to keep the talk show guys in business spreading the hate around. Waving the flag spreading hate. Oh that’s good. And besides, we’re ready for it; the police have been training for it for over 20 years now right???

Anyway, I don’t like the Conspiracy theories from the media OR the whacko’s. The truth is on the side of the whacko’s but it really doesn’t matter. The volume of negativity that legitimizes the whacko’s theories is impossible to live with. It’s just downright depressing and if I hadn’t been a victim of the whacko’s theories on three different issues I would completely disregard it. But, my memory is good, I’ve been to war, I’ve been terminally ill and I’ve been abused by the very government I thought I was fighting for. I can’t deny the truth of the whacko’s theories. I’ve seen it firsthand - lived it.

What to do??? Get to work. Do some studying. Find out for yourself if what I’m saying in here is true. Then embrace the truth and spread it around a bit. Both conspiracies hint very strongly that this whole thing is going to end in a world war. I don’t agree. I’ve seen the truth overcome war, terminal disease and even government suppression. I’m sure it can beat this terrorism thing they got going. Perhaps if we can get enough people to understand what’s really going on and expose the truth behind the politicians and money boys we can balance the scales. Get some peace and justice floating around again. I have hope, plenty of hope. Never lose the hope.

Which Conspiracy? Neither…Go with truth.

I can’t live amongst all the negative truth of the Whacko’s conspiracies and I know for a fact the conspiracies from the media/government are outright lies, pure propaganda. So either way you lose. But it does help to know the truth about all this. Once you know who the players are you can see through most of the garbage that’s brought to us by the media and it’s pretty easy to predict where the NWO boys are headed. Conspiracies don’t set you free truth does.

To live my life I have to see the good side of life. Most people are like that. So I’ll do what I can to get as much truth to the public as possible and not disappear for having done so.

In the meantime we all have to find some semblance of peace and positive feedback to exist. We have to have goals that are attainable. We have to try to build a little better world than we were given. Lofty ideals, lofty goals, fun, family, and friends. Get some truth and justice back into the game here.

Literally live our lives so that when we die our life states loud and clear that we lived truth and proved that it works. Yeah, that’ll work.

Dr. K. R. Sutter
Nov. 2006

http://www.docsutter.com


 

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