Date:   7/2/2007 6:34:26 PM ( 17 y ago)
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Thanks for your response #49156. And the link to plasticat's posts. But I have followed much of plasticat's posts for a while now and do not feel the need to go through them painstakingly one at a time. I have read enough already.

I do not happen to quite agree with your comparison to your attitude towards Plasticat as that with Christ or Ghandi. I do not recall Christ calling people whiners or moaners because they were suffering and wanted to be healed., though He pointed things out in a very clear manner and sometimes harsh if the person deserved it (pride for example). Or those that thought they were superior to others or knew best...For sure if someone was over self pitying Christ would have pointed that out also I am sure but in a FAR more understanding manner than you have done on here.

Bringing up the fact you are older than me, seems you have assumed (wrongly) that I am part of the "new age suffering free generation"?. Perhaps you feel you have been through far more than anybody who happens to be younger than you? Could you be wrong sometimes? yes I am younger. but I would like to point this out to you in case you "assume" I have not been through suffering or really dont have a clue.

I have suffered toxicity most of my young adult youth. I have spent hours many days with my head over a bowl or toilet because my body for reasons not understood is unable to eliminate toxins in a normal healthy manner and I salivated and cried uncontrollably/excessively. The agony from this often would cause me to scream and my face would swell with the pressure from the toxins trying to erupt out. This could go for hours and most days. I would then have to try and recover from this. No sooner had it calmed down, than it would build again and repeat in an ongoing hellish cycle. No doctor seemed to understand what it was and often I was not believed because it seemed so 'bizzare". One doctor did thankfully and I believe that was a life saver for me! That is how I spent many days of my young life. I have also had to shut myself in my wardrobe often because of the screaming so the neighbours would not hear this. The screaming was not "complaining", it is from the toxic eruptions I would have that I was unable to completely control and often in the midst of it one is not rational. I would also shake all over at the sametime. I did not socialise, or party or spend my young life in idle comforts because I was unwell most days. I also suffered tremors and many other bizzare and tormenting symptoms in the mind and body. I cannot readily describe to someone what it is like. One would have to have this in order to know. And I do not wish to start unravelling all of it on here. This would possibly be fruitless if you have already made up your mind, then it would mean nothing to you at all. I clung onto my parents and my faith, though often I had much anger and yes self pity. But the sufferings were there and my feeling sorry for myself or angry certainly did me no favours and the illness did not just get up and walk away because of it! Being positive with neurotoxins is not possible. I have had it and know how it feels. I was a naturally positive person in my life and illnesses never took that away from me until I was afflicted mentally with it. So I now have greater understanding towards those who suffer mentally and are misjudged because their sufferings are "invisible".

By the way, both my parents grew up poor and often did not know where their next meal was coming from. My father from a family with a Mother that had to beg for money, while she worked 2 jobs becuase his father had taken off and left them all to live his own life. Please do not assume that I or my parents may not have gone through much! My Mother grew up poor and lived in one room with everybody, no carpet and all suffered sicknesses due to poor living conditions with a Mother who died early of cancer. SHe had to take over the entire household by a very young age etc. Yes there are people worse off than that. But I am trying to poitn out to you that you are being rather presumptious. My brother grew up with hydrocephalis and had brain operations most of his life. Blind in one eye and ended up with epilepsy due to the scarring from the brain operations. Suffered severe Acne throughout his teens (as many do), then had to go on strong drugs for seizures. Even then, he would still have them. Luckily enough, he was able to come through some of this and now has a relatively normal life. Thank goodness for that! yes much worse could have happened to him. But I cannot imagine for a minute what might have happened had he been labelled harshly as a complainer, whiner etc when he had his moments of expressing himself as such. Though quite rare, being human he did have a private moan sometimes.

So please do not sit there and feel because you are 50, that the younger generation really dont know what it's like. Different times can bring very different sufferings! I've made the mistake of being presumptious also about someone and have had to pull my head in for it. Yes I am sure there are some young people who complain and whine over having a few pimples or some other trivial matter and have no real idea of what true suffering is like. I dont quite class Plasticat under that catagory personally (not even close). NO, I understand your view on trying not to dwell too much on ones ailments/ills but I think that is a tough call depending on what the ailment is. I am sure some may rise above it better than others (good on them). Some of us may not be so good at that and life so often forces some things on us for reasons we may not like!

Just to correct you here, I was not calling Plasticat's condition a disfigurement because "I" necessary feel it is or "know" it is. I have not seen him. I call it this because that is how he seems to describe it, among other terms also. Emphasizing that was not my intention, so if it came across that way I apologise. My father and brother have been scarred by acne. But not quite the skin conditon Plasticat has had, which I have not come across before. I hope that he will find a diagnosis for this and treatment.

Again curezone is to offer help. NOt that I would object to someone being honest and harsh at times if the person needs a bit of that, but I do not agree with your evaluation of him completely. I know you are not intending to be nasty and I am sure you, like myself feel that a bit of suffering can do a person good (adversity), but I would not wish a condition like I have suffered on anybody, nor would I wish what Plasticat has on anybody.
 

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