Date:   5/20/2007 3:40:18 PM ( 18 y ago)
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"John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

The thing you need to understand is that at the time Jesus said that, He was here to be our saviour. He wasn't our judge, Yet.

He stepped into the most holy place to judge after He went to heaven. Now He is our judge."

I find it so very  interesting that ministers particularly, have to tell you what Jesus really meant when he said something.  Then that gets passed on to their followers as the gospel, and it isn't.  Jesus said he didn't judge anyone.  Period.  There is nothing in his words that he changed his mind to become our judge at a later date.  (And he never said he was our "savior" either.  That's just spin.)

"You really need to include the next text to make a complete thought.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgement is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

In other words He won't judge as a man would judge a man, but as God would judge."

Oh, I've read that text many times.  You omit one very important point.  He said that "if I judge" - not "when I judge" - if and when are two very different words.

Read John 8:15 again and if you find it confusing, talk directly to Jesus and see what he says.  He spoke all of his words in Aramaic (not Greek) and when you talk to him directly he will answer you in plain English (or whatever language is your native tongue).  It can be so much more enlightening than believing some minister's spin factor any day.

As I've said before Beej, I like your posts.   Keep it up.

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