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That website you posted beat all around the bush but never answered the questions, it spoke of every news group and even included Adolph Hitler's Diaries for reasons that are beyond me, and does not even include any logical point for adding it in! Then it moved on to the Hindu Vedas, the Ramayana, The Bhagvad Gita, and of course attacked the New and Old Testaments by trying to add on Gnostic Gospels which was written 200 to 300 years after Jesus Christ! which almost all of Christianity does not use, except for the Gnostic Churches in Egypt and a couple other arab states.
The Ancient Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagent proves the Bible has remained unchanged. The Dead Sea Scrolls were completed over 200 years before Christ. The New Testament has remained unchanged 60 tears AD. REASEARCH IT! LOOK IT UP! It is open and proven history, unless a person is deaf and blind.

The website still never answered the questions even after wasting all the space attacking evrerything else as if it would sidetrack somebody from the real subject.

Here are the Textual Variants of the Qur'an:
Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 1 - The Initial Collection of the Qur'an Text

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap1.html

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 2 - The Uthmanic Recension of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap2.html

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 3 - The Codices of ibn Mas`ud and Ubayy ibn Ka`b

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap3.html

from the Hadiths part 2 - the first collection of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/chap2.html

from the Hadiths part 3 - Differences before the 'Uthmanic collection

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/chap3.html

from the Hadiths part 4 - the 'Uthmanic collection

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/chap4.html

Relation of Shi'a Theology to the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Shia/theology.html

A variant from Ubayy's Codex (as documented by Yusuf Ali)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/yusufali.htm

Distortion in the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/distortion.html


A Contribution of Uthman to the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/uthman.htm

Uthman's standardising of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm

'Uthman and the Recension of the Koran

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Caetani/uthman.htm



Evidence of Change After 'Uthman
There is evidence that changes to the Qur'an continued after the time of 'Uthman:

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 5 - The Seven Different Readings

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap5.html

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 6 - The Compilation of the Qur'an in Perspective

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap6.html

Al-Hajjaj changed Uthman's Qur'an text and a response(?): Part 1, Part 2

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/hajjaj.html


Hadiths which say the Qur'an is incomplete
Both the Qur'an and the Sunna give evidence that some of the Qur'an was lost, forgotten, or abrogated:

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 4 - The Missing Passages of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap4.html

Variant Readings of the Quran

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_variants.htm

Islam and Stoning: A Case Study Into the Textual Corruption Of the Quran

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/stoning.htm

from the Hadiths part 6 - The status of the mushaf

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/chap6.html

Sura 2:238 is not complete according to Aisha

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/2.238.html

Some Muslims are of the conviction spurious verses have been added:


The controversy about Sura 9:128-129 - Hence these verses are removed in this Qur'an

http://www.submission.org/tampering.html

http://www.submission.org/suras/sura9.htm


Hadiths which refer to lost suras
There are Hadiths which refer to suras which are not in the modern Qur'an. Surely this indicates that the Qur'an has changed since the time of these Hadiths.

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 4 - The Missing Passages of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap4.html

from the Hadiths part 5.1 - Missing Verses

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/integrity2.html

On the Integrity of the Qur'an (2) Describes Hadiths concerning the sura about 'The Valley of Riches'

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/suckling.html

The Verse on Suckling

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/suckling.html

The Verse on Stoning

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/stoning.html

'Verse' in the "Comparative Index to Islam" describes several missing verses.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/V/verse.html


Variants which exist in present-day manuscripts
By simply comparing existing manuscripts, it can be shown that not all Qur'an manuscripts are the same. Therefore, the Qur'an has not been perfectly preserved.


About some recent manuscript findings (in the loft of the old Great Mosque of Sana'a, in Yemen)

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/quran1.html

The Different Arabic Versions of the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

Text Unchanged, Texts Unchanging? discusses the work of Arthur Jeffery (offsite).

http://www.rim.org/muslim/texts.htm

Relation of Shi'a Theology to the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Shia/theology.html

A Variant Text of the Fatiha

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/fatiha.htm

The Orthography of the Samarqand Codex

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/Samarqand/index.htm

On the Integrity of the Qur'an (1) - Muslim writers admit there exist variants in the Qur'an.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/integrity1.html

Differences in the Hafs and Warsh texts

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/warsh.html

Some textual variants in Sura 19

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/var1.html

Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 7 - The Early Surviving Qur'an Manuscripts

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap7.html

from the Hadiths part 5.2 - Variant Verses

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/chap5.html#5.2

Are the "Shia" suras al-Nurain and al-Wilaya genuine?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/genuine.html

Variant Readings in the Qur'an and the Bible

http://www.answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3c.html

Leaves from two ancient MSS. of the Coran

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/AS_Lewis/index.htm



What is there to hide?
If the Qur'an truly is uncorrupted, why does the Muslim world not publish the oldest Qur'an manuscripts? What is there to hide?

Textual criticism of Bible and Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/criticaltext.html


Objections

How could John Burton say the Qur'an was perfectly preserved?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/burton.html


Other

The Claim of Muhammad's Perfect Memory

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/forgot.htm

Scribal and Grammatical Errors in the Qur'an

http://debate.domini.org/newton/

Different verse numbering systems in the Qur'an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/numbers.html


Articles or books which cover the whole topic

A Perfect Qur'an? (impressive, comprehensive)
http://www.answering-islam.org/PQ/index.htm

Is the Qur'an the Word of God?
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/debate.htm

Jam' Ahttp://debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/debate.html-Qur'an, an excellent book which covers most of the material presented here.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/index.html

The Qur'an in Islam (short booklet)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Goldsack/Readings/index.htm

The Textual History of the Qur'an, an article by Arthur Jeffery

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/thq.htm

Materials for the History of the Text of the Qur'an (standard reference work by Arthur Jeffery)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Jeffery/Materials/index.htm

Textual Variations of the Koran by D. S. Margoliouth

http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Margoliouth/variants.htm

The Collection of the Qur'an - from the Hadiths; direct quotes from the Hadiths, on the collection and alteration of the Qur'an.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Collection/index.html


Implications for our dialogue

The Compilation of the Text of the Qur'an and the Sunni-Shia Dispute seeks to "show how the different Muslim hypotheses about the compilation of the Qur'an, and the Sunni-Shia dispute therein, help to explain the attitudes of Muslims to the Christian concept of inspiration, text and canon."

http://debate.org.uk/topics/theo/dispute.htm


Preservation does not imply truth

http://www.answering-islam.org/Fallacies/preserved.html


Some newsgroup postings by a Muslim on the Topkapi and Tashkent manuscripts, confirming the existence of textual variants

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=479896990


http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=484994204


http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=280272971


and spelling differences in Qur'an editions in India

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=407412868


http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=430857713



 

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