Date:   2/15/2005 4:20:26 PM ( 19 y ago)
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Hi Paulette,
Sounds like poisoning... please read some articles at end... I will provide alot of different posibiities so it can help anyone that finds themselves in a similar situation...
The poisons that come to mind are:

chocolate

anti freeze on bread

rat poison(fluoride)

snake bite

these seem to be the poisons that are used to kill dogs...

Read about Vitamin K... Activated charcoal... Vitamin C...

SEE LINKS AT END FOR ARTICLES... good luck, Jonothan


Rat Poison (fluoride) Remedy by Dr. Peter Kross, DVM

Posted by TOPDOG on February 12, 2005, 11:31:41
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QUESTION:
Our dog ate some rat poison. I read I should give her vitamin K--should I give it as a pill or in another form?

ANSWER:
Dogs commonly eat rat poison, as it is left around areas where dogs can get to it and they love it since it is provided in morsels of food to attract rats. If you think your pet has recently (in the last hour or so) ingested rat poison, try to induce vomiting by administering hydrogen peroxide by mouth (you can also accomplish this with salted water or ipecac if you have some). For small dogs, give a teaspoon of hydrogen peroxide; for large dogs, a shot glass or comparable amount.

If you can't do this, get to a veterinary hospital and have the vet try to evacuate your dog's stomach. If your pet ingested the poison, Vitamin K is the antidote of choice and should be given initially as an injection by your vet, followed by pills or capsules for up to six weeks. The injection is safest if given intramuscularly or subcutaneously, as some dogs have a violent allergic reaction if given the product intravenously. The length of time to give the Vitamin K pills depends on the variety of rat poison ingested. Some are very long-acting and require the full six weeks of therapy. We recommend testing your pet's blood for its ability to clot after stopping the antidote, usually two days later. The poison involved causes hemorrhaging since it interferes with the blood's ability to form clots. Pets can easily die from the poison.

I had one patient who got into rat poison after moving into a new apartment where the previous owner had placed the stuff in question under the radiator. The dog sniffed it out and ingested it immediately. The owner was fortunate enough to have noticed this and took immediate action. I've had other situations where animals died because no one knew they had eaten rat poison until after they started hemorrhaging, at which time it was too late to save them. Whenever there is a question of doubt, we go ahead and treat with Vitamin K, as it can't hurt them. I would definitely advise that you involve your vet in deciding how much Vitamin K to give and for how long.

Dr. Peter Kross, DVM, has had his own veterinary practice, the Rivergate Veterinary Clinic in New York City, since 1989. He lives in Manhattan with his three white boxers, Buchanan, Wilhelmina and Laila.
See Winning article and much much more:
http://searchb.familyfun.go.com/familySearch?qt=FamilyFun%3A+Ask+the+Vet%3A+Household+Items+That+Can+Poison+Dogs

Scientific experiments over many years attest to the effectiveness of charcoal as an antidote. In one experiment, 100 times the lethal does of Cobra venom was mixed with charcoal and injected into a laboratory animal. The animal was not harmed (15). In other experiments, arsenic and strychnine were mixed with charcoal and ingested by humans under laboratory conditions. The subjects survived even though the poison dosages were 5 to 10 times the lethal dose (1, 3, 14, 16, 17, 38).
see:
http://members5.boardhost.com/SUPERNATURAL/msg/79.html

POISON CONTROL Act immediately if you suspect your pet has been poisoned. Symptoms of poisoning range from drooling, muscle spasms, and difficulty in breathing to vomiting, shivering and panting, bleeding from orifices, swelling, convulsions and coma. If you have the container, check it for an antidote to the poison....
see:
http://members5.boardhost.com/SUPERNATURAL/msg/173.html


Posted by TOPDOG on July 20, 2004, 7:18:23, in reply to "Neo bit by rattle snake"
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Check out this info...
The great advantage of Vitamin C is that anaphylaxis does not occur and the variety of snake does not matter. Vitamin C is cheap, easy to store and taking it on a hunting trip is no problem. All you need is a 20 ml syringe, some largish needles - say No 18 - and the bottle of Vitamin C. It can all be carried in a small wallet on ones belt. In between times it should be kept in the fridge. Although the stuff can be carried in Summer without deteriorating, I suggest to hunters that they get a fresh supply each Spring just to be on the safe side.
After much reading of printouts of Bellfield's and other literature, many supplied by Dr Glen Dettman, a retired pathologist who lives near Melbourne, I have tried Vitamin C on many situations. A dog in a tick coma, spider bites, dogs with Parvo, Tetanus following a terrible injury from a car, and in cases of shock - all with unfailing success.
Vitamin C can be used as crushed tablets or powder straight into the mouth in cases of sickness. From my own experience, rubbing the powder into a redback spider bite took the pain (which is incredible) our within seconds. I followed it up with 10 grams by mouth. The spread of the poison in my arm stopped and I was able to resume work within a few minutes.
The first goat I treated with Vitamin C was given a teaspoon of ascorbic acid powder (about 5 grams) every half hour for two hours, like the Alpaca, he was bitten right on the nose as I later found out. He recovered perfectly well. That was in the days before the injectable supplies were available. 50 ml bottles of Vitamin C can be obtained from some Chemists, most fodder or pet stores. Make sure the brand is 2 mls per gram and not 4 otherwise you need twice as much at twice the cost. I mentioned the size of the needles as 18 or thereabouts because the stuff can be slightly glutinous and speed is generally all important on the occasions when it is needed.
Snake venom affects the nervous system which slows down until natural functions cease and death occurs. A painful way to die. It can cause instant death but this is most unusual and I have never seen it. When a dog has been bitten, its eyes will soon appear to look all black. That is the pupils have relaxed and dilated. Since snake bite can - and usually does - occur unwitnessed, if your dog slows down and becomes lethargic or distressed, do look at the eyes at once and even if they do not show much sign get on with the injection. If by chance the fang marks are detected, (it is usually damp around the bite) rub in Vit C. Even a chewed up tablet will work. But do not waste time looking for the marks. They often only show up a few days later when the hair falls away around them.
Dogs of 30 to 50 kg will require about 10 - 15 mls* by intramuscular injection in the side of the neck. It was taught by the teaching Vet at the Veterinary College to avoid doing injections in the back legs because it is too easy to damage vital nerves there. Three quarters to 1 cm penetration is needed, and, if in doubt, get it under the skin anyway. You can repeat the treatment without risk. Vitamin C overdose results in nothing worse than diarrhoea, and anaphylaxis cannot occur. However when the dog is really sick it will allow you to do the injecting (which can sting in small animals) without objecting. If it starts to make a fuss you know that it is feeling much better, and the subsequent doses should be given as powder in the mouth. It is a good idea to give two or three backups just to make sure all the venom has been detoxified.
see full article: http://members5.boardhost.com/SUPERNATURAL/msg/73.html
also:
http://wildchildmagazine.com/display.php?id=33


Intravenous Sodium Ascorbate: Preparation and Adminstration

FOR M.D.'s ONLY
Preparation of Sodium Ascorbate
for IV and IM Use

ROBERT F. CATHCART III, M.D.
see:
http://wildchildmagazine.com/display.php?id=91&lang=en
also see: SNAKEBITE EMERGENCY FIRST-AID INFORMATION
http://wildchildmagazine.com/display.php?id=33&lang=en

TOPDOG research review and education

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http://Poison Control
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http://ROBERT F. CATHCART III, M.D.
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