Date:   9/24/2006 11:22:01 AM ( 18 y ago)
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I meant Clashed as in:

1. To collide with a loud, harsh, usually metallic noise: cymbals clashing.

Like a slap upside the head that inadvertently put all the pieces together. The material itself, as I said was analogous, one with the other. I suppose I could have been more clear about how I wrote it after reading over it again... maybe "meshed in my brain" instead of clashed or collided, but to me that was more apropos.

You said:

"It appears to me that it would be impossible to separate the health of the whole, from the health and well-being of the smallest part of the whole...which, of course, opens up a whole new 'door' for more 'growth, evolution, and research'. "

Exactly... and whether anyone else believes it or not, I will say it; this symbiotic relationship exists with all that is.

In other words if a part of the whole (earth, atmosphere, what have you) is sick then there will be an attempt by the "whole" to seek balance to enable/maintain life. We see this in climatic adjustments, among other things meant to "cleanse" the earth of poisons... As the world gets more toxic more water is needed to "wash" the toxins and dilute them... global warming?

Is global warming (if you believe it; some people do not) an attempt by the whole to clean itself?

Try not to think of ANYTHING as good or bad/evil, right or wrong. For instance, sure there are bad bacteria out there, BUT maintained in perfect balance as is intended, good bacteria would outnumber bad bacteria. What is/has been responsible for the disruption of balance to the point that we struggle to maintain a level of good bacteria in our bodies? The same could be said and questioned for ALL of the Worlds woes today in ALL life forms including the planet itself. The answer will show that we (people) have moved in an inappropriate direction is all. A direction that does not promote life but inadvertently destroys it.

I am convinced man has done this before and we are not the first "advanced" civilization to have tried and failed. How many times have we tried? Now there is the question.

I am also convinced that we could have reached this point in society without creating the problems, IF we would have remembered the lessons from the past. BUT would this have interfered with the/an AGENDA? Hard to say. I do believe that many peoples throughout history DID learn and were living in a way that promoted life, BUT that certain causes, Christianity being one of them, got in the way and moved us in an apposing direction.

To explain this last statement to yourself, read about the medical advances of the Inca, Maya, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks. Some of their surgical tools can hardly be distinguished from modern surgical tools. They performed dental and eye surgeries. What quashed this Science and medical knowledge for 2,000 years? You guessed it... Christianity. Much/Most of the knowledge from the past has been lost due to their book burnings throughout the ages. Maybe that is where we went wrong?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wind_in_the_Door "Christian Content" (I do not understand why it is Christian Centric in statement, many ancient religions - much older than Christianity - from around the world have believed this, but then the Bible has been called a plagiarism/re-write and re-org of ancient faith texts, but I am getting off track)

God has numbered every hair on our heads and that God is aware of every sparrow that falls.

Exactly... if we were to look at God as being ALL THAT IS then a fallen Sparrow would affect the whole, would it not? When a cell dies in our bodies it affects the whole in some way that either is down the path of disease or towards the path of health.

You said:

"And then, what is your thinking on the significance this?
"Mitochondria developed from proteobacteria (in particular, Rickettsiales or close relatives) and chloroplasts from cyanobacteria"
...from an evolutionary perspective
...and from a perspective of symbiosis and health
(if those perspectives can be separated)

Plants have a similar organism to mitochondria in the chloroplast which make this question very interesting. I have spent a great deal of time thinking about and trying to determine if I believe in evolution or not and am still somewhat on the fence. I fall to one side or the other over time, but never far from the fence.

Since I am holding on to the fence right now on the creation side:

God is all that is
God is thought
Nothing IS without thought
Life begets life
One life does not exist without another
All that is is symbiotic

You could reverse this sequence and it works (for me anyway) as well.

Thought is the creator (what you think, you become, are etc. you are a creator)

I understand some may see this as convoluted but over 50 years of life (this one anyway) has gone into this thought.

Note that I may jump to the evolution side at any time :-)

In that case, we still have the development of symbiotic organisms that apparently made the development of higher life forms possible. Without the relationship, the planet would be filled with nothing but one celled organisms... AND that relationship moves us to another question, that I believe is relevant; is the mitochondria the ONLY organism with its own DNA within our bodies or are there 100's, 1000's, or more?

Well look at bacteria, both what we call good and bad in our bodies... they live outside our bodies in various forms until ingestion right? Then once inside either contribute to life or begin to take it away... in the case of providing life are they not symbiont?

To remain healthy we need billions upon billions of these life forms within our bodies to synthesize vitamins, digest food, etc. etc. etc. yet we try to WASH the stuff we eat and destroy ALL life on it before ingesting. Is this not counter to life? Is this one of the things we do to make ourselves sick? Have not we been saying on these boards that processed foods, GMO, irradiated, antibacterial, hormone, (I could go on and on) foods are dead? How can they provide life? If we kill ALL bacteria on a food, both good and bad, is it life giving any more? have we destroyed its life force?

hummmmm?

I could go on, but it would most likely need several books. I think I have been off of fluoride for a while and the brain is starting to work, guess I need to get the mercury out next; then watch out!

I hope this gets your mind buzzing as mine is... If you want to carry this on in book form, maybe we should use email?

grz
 

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