Date:   6/28/2005 7:35:57 AM ( 19 y ago)
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It only takes one time for a potential new member of the Curezone family to come across such huge anger coming from 2Tuff and send them packing and never return. 2Tuff calls anyone who disagrees with him a gatekeeper but in reality he is the gatekeeper in every forum where he posts his message of pure anger. It is easy to say just keep on going and ignore his combative posts but my thoughts are that hundreds or even thousands of people each day see that hatred & anger and do not want any part of it and leave.

When a child acts out in a confrontational and angry way with siblings it must be addressed each time it happens or the angry child will believe that this is a reasonable communication style. You have to nip it in the bud or it becomes a problem for everyone. You have to set boundaries and 2Tuff every day is too tough for many of the posters in the Support Forums and in my opinion goes over the boundary of support to debate all too often. If 2Tuff wants to change his mean spirited communicaton style and return as a kinder and gentler sibling in the CureZone family then great but when 2Tuff's abusive communication style goes unchecked in the Support Forums by the Webmaster and those that enjoy his confrontaional style, the house that the Webmaster built will become a place filled with only people who can tolerate abuse. There are many kinds of people that have different needs and I am sure that there are some who need someone to confront them but that is why we have debate and Support Forums . I for one have tried to stand up against oppression in the Debate Forums but I find it tiring. People who have their minds made up rarely change. I still like to jump in from time to time but really the support forums are my main interest. If 2Tuff could keep the confrontational posts in the Debate Forums , I would probably have enjoyed most of 2Tuff's posts. Shake the bushes and separate the nuggets from the propaganda. But 2Tuff drags his debates into every support forum and makes them into a huge fight. If you have AIDS or cancer, you need to save your fight for fighting cancer or Aids. You can say the same things 2Tuff says in a non-combative way if you want but it does take some effort. I hope if 2Tuff does come back, he will attempt to do be less volitile and abusive. One can only hope. This icky stuff needed to be addressed for a long time and I can see from the posts that I am not alone in my feelings about this.

I believe I speak for a large number of the CureZone family and those who have left the CureZone family by saying we have had enough of the abuse. If 2Tuff can not be supportive in support forums then he should "bugger off." Come back with a new attitude and the same great health information and he will be accepted back like the prodigal son but if he wants to keep attempting to divide and conquer and destroy every sibling in this house then he is not welcome to many in the support forums in this house.

If you want to debate, great... but debating in the support forums is supposed to be against the rules of the house. There are Debate Forums for the type of communication style 2Tuff has. There are some who enjoy debating and I am one of them but when I see fragile health seekers looking for alternative health information, who discover CureZone, often run into 2Tuff only to be driven away by 2Tuff's angry responses to their initial questions.

You can stand up for pleasing everyone if you want but I would rather have one Owen then 10 2Tuffs because they both have good health information but one gives it with compassion and the other with abuse. I know there are those who need an abusive parent for their own personal growth but some of us would rather leave our home then put up with abuse. For many, avoiding abusive relationships means not coming to CureZone anymore. I am still here but I have seen hundreds leave. It is too bad that Owen is one of them that is so frustrated that he feels the need to leave. Please do not leave Owen. 2Tuff says he is gone for good. Please at least come back if it is true or find a way to still be a part of this family and 2Tuff... come back some day after you have learned to be a kinder gentler human being.

As a teacher for years, I have noticed how one bad apple really can spoil the whole bunch. Removing the bad apple can also save the rest of the class. I never have had to kick a kid out my programs but somtimes they self-select themselves out. In the classroom, the teacher ends up spending most of their energy on the bright kids and the worst kids but the kids who are quiet or not the brightest and best get little or no attention. I have watched those in the middle wither on the vine in CureZone for long enough. It is time to get rid of the bad apple. There are some good seeds in that bad apple though. 2Tuff, if you want to plant those seeds of knowledge in some compassionate ground and grow back into a healthy tree some day great. I would love to see your knowledge in a more compassionate format. I know you could bare good fruit in CureZone but if you want to run off hundeds of earnest seekers for your huge ego then there are places for that. Go back to your hate site and don't come back. The playground bully is usually just another frightened child acting out but until someone stands up to him and punches him in the nose, he will continue abusing everyone on the playground. I hope you see from the overwhelming respnses of many of the CureZone family, who have enough of the abuse, that it is time to grow up or leave.

If you disagree with my message then I understand. I have watched my own ego working in this message and understand how easy it is to turn from the abused to the abuser. If I have become the abuser to fight oppression then at least understand I know it. I can see 2tuff's abuse as my own abuse. All that said, I believe it needed to be said. If 2Tuff's mean and abusive style is only a reflection of that abusive part of me then I at least wanted to expose it to the light. Thanks, Bluestone for trying to be alkalizer in an acidic body. If 2Tuff gets a thousand abusive posts saying how he wants me to die then I feel I should at least get a "bugger off." haaha.. In any case, I am just human and I imagine there are many here that feel the same anziety about 2Tuff's abuse in support forums? Anyway, I am still smiling so at least I am not twisted off so far as to never return to my usually(with others) less confrontational responses.

Love & Light to you Blusestone

While I do not always agree with everything you say, I have always respected your opinion.





 

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