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"Many of his theories have been totally disproven. The fact that he is a (double)Nobel Prize winner (in Chemistry) doesn't mean anything. Experts? Pah!

Why do you believe one expert and not another? Because it suits your beliefs. In other words you do not recognize the expertise as such. In which case you cannot really represent them as experts, and their scientific crecentials are meaningless (unless you take the word of other similarly qualified experts)."

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.


13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.


One major differnece between "experts" is their motivation and who butters their bread. Many here have studied Big Pharma enough to know what they are all about. Pharma incorporates Science for hire whereas classical scientists who are beyond influence have pure Science in mind and are free to explore open outcomes.

This is but one example. There are numerous.

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/06/07.php

There is a very noticeable trend whereby ayone that threatens the profit machine of pharma is jumped on with the usual discrediting campaign. More and more people are awakening to this truth. Well, accept those who are in bed with their agenda and trying to run interference and damage control. *wink*


Interesting quotes:

"The War Against Quackery is a carefully orchestrated, heavily endowed campaign sponsored by extremists holding positions of power in the orthodox hierarchy.....The mutimillion-dollar campaign against quackery was never meant to root out incompetent doctors; it was, and is, designed specifically to destroy alternative medicine...The millions were raised and spent because orthodox medicine sees alternative, drugless medicine as a real threat to its economic power. And right they are...the majority of the drug houses will not survive."--Dr Atkins, M.D. (The Healing of Cancer by Barry Lynes).

"The medical monopoly or medical trust, euphemistically called the American Medical Association, is not merely the meanest monopoly ever organized, but the most arrogant, dangerous and despotic organisation which ever managed a free people in this or any other age. Any and all methods of healing the sick by means of safe, simple and natural remedies are sure to be assailed and denounced by the arrogant leaders of the AMA doctors' trust as fakes, frauds and humbugs."---J.W Hodge, M.D

Natural medications that actually cured disease would have to be suppressed. The more effective they were, the more they would need to be suppressed and their proponents jailed as quacks. After all, it wouldn't do to have some cheap, effective, natural medication cure disease in a capital-intensive monopoly market specifically designed to treat symptoms without curing disease. Our Deadly Diabetes Deception by Thomas Smith

"They decide who they're going to hit. The advertising agency writes up the stories that are going to be distributed to their "letter writing brigade," the "testifying whores." The letter writers, following the guidelines, then write to the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, to set a basis for the complaint. Then the ad agency writes stories, getting quotes from the likes of Barrett, Baratz, etc., on the victim. The stories are sent out to the media in which the advertising agency's drug clients advertise. The stories are printed in the media as though they were true. Once the stories hit the press, a second wave of letters goes out to the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, to put pressure on upper management to act. Then more media is generated, this time with quotes from the quackbuster insider FTC employees to make it sound official that the FTC is interested. Once this happens, letters and phone calls go out from supposedly "irate consumers (quackbusters)," once again to the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All upper management, demanding to know why they aren't doing something.
Then, letters and phone calls go out from supposedly "irate consumers (quackbusters)" to certain members of Congress demanding to know why the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, aren't doing something.
Within days, upper management of the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, are deluged with questions from more media, and Congress. They see the issue as important, and act against the victim - even if their is little or no evidence..." Big Pharma Tactics on Electro Med etc.

"The funniest thing aspect of his article was that it totally escaped his mind that most of the snake-oil cures he talked about were promoted by the "doctors" of the era. ... If he sat down and looked through old issues of the Lancet, he would find a doctor advocating injections of Sugar to cure tuberculosis, and another advocating a vaccine made from daffodil juice to cure asthma. He certainly never read a quite famous book written years ago, called "Cured to Death" which would have been funny if it hadn’t been so calamitous. ... If they did some decent investigative journalism they would discover that the medical profession has had the quackery monopoly since the "Hypocritical" oath was used to swear by. Nothing changes, either with mainstream medicine, or the media."------Hilary Butler

"Modern Medicine would rather you die using its remedies than live by using what physicians call "quackery".--Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.

The original "quacks" were dentists who advocated the use of mercury amalgam, and most dentists are still advocating its use today. Quack is short for "quacksalber," the old German word for mercury.

Nowadays the word "quack" is applied to the competition of allopathy and the drug medical establishment. "Quack" is the allopathic codeword for competition.

"Anyone who tries to hang the label "quack" without personal investigation to the point of proof beyond reasonable doubt must be regarded as a scoundrel until proven otherwise."--Dr Richards & Frank Hourigan.
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