Date:   9/1/2005 10:53:39 AM ( 19 y ago)
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Before proceeding to my updated expose, a foreword:

It may well be that the reason so many therapies are ineffective on me is due to my liver condition which various naturopaths & intuitives diagnosed me with, but which the socialized AMA jerks keep labelling as "Gilberts" despite that my bilirubin levels keep rising by the year. For all I know, it may be beyond the point of no return, since I tried so much for it to no avail such as Epson salt detox regimen (I think this damaged me further), olive oil/lemon juice (irritating), mild coffee enema (irritating), Sensible Health's Coptis/etc. regimen (couldn't handle it), Silymarin, Dandelion, Chicory, you name it.

All these "therapies" and much more (you name it, I probably tried it!) never resulted for me in the detox effects mentioned by others who used the same methods.

Now, on to my
UPDATED CLAY EXPOSE - LUANA LEI:

OK, that's it, I tried enough clays that proved to be so much "hot air" as far as I'm concerned (Koi, Mountain Rose, Terramin & LL's) with the latter two being the most expensive.

The reason I label them "hot air" is because I do have a past experience to compare them with.
Because the ON-SITE Dead Sea mud *did* effect a therapeutic feeling "pulling" sensation.

But I didn't feel this sensation from the mail-order clays.

Note that ALSO i did not feel this sensation from OFF-SITE Dead Sea mud that was applied to me in Tiberias.

ONLY ON-SITE IMMERSION proved dynamic on me.

Below I'll briefly relate my experience with LL's clay.
Following which, I'll copy/paste my previous clay expose.

My experience with LL's "Clear Out":

Luana Lei's Clear Out clay is sodium bentonite. Very similar to Mountain Rose's sodium Bentonite & Koi's calcium Bentonite except that it was a bit more "smearable".

As per instructions, I tested my saliva's PH with one of LL's PH strips. The color matched the 7.0 on the chart (meaning "normal").

I used 2 1/2 pounds in a hot bath. I smeared it into my scalp, forehead & rest of body. Though it didn't stick to my legs since the water washed it away. I remained in the bath 1 1/2 hours.

I might as well have stuck with the much cheaper Mountain Rose or Koi. Because, just like those, there was absolutely NO pulsating or therapeutic feeling. I felt absolutely no effect. NOT like Dead Sea mud pool. To boot, the exertion involved in cleanup made me feel more achy than when I started the process.

P.S. By the way, I also went through 7 packs of foot patches and don't feel any better for it. While I must say that foot pads are among the least troublesome of all detox methodologies (including cheap but nauseating H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) therapy which I've tried already), still, they're expensive in view of the fact that they proved ineffective for me. I still have not tried EDTA suppositories. Would those work? How many more hundreds/thousands of dollars do I have to throw out just to prove everything ineffective for me? Depression, double-depression, quadruple disillusionment, exponential disillusionment...
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NOW MY ORIGINAL CLAY EXPOSE:
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OK, by now I've experimented w/various clays and decided to set forth
my assessment for the record.

I'm aware there may be detractors, but I leave it to the reader to
make their own decision. My only purpose is to help others avoid that
which I went through.

Foreword:

I'll precede by saying that I decided to try clay despite my many
disllusionments with other therapies (not excluding Oral Chelato,
Paragone, EMF "shields" and so much more.

Also, for all I know, among clays which I have *not* yet tried (such
as LL's bentonite, pascalite, etc.) there may well be genuine winners.

Why did I decide to try clay?

(1) Based on an email from a popular/prolific therapist who posts on
a detox forum. She stated that someone contacted her that clay turned
his life around, and she said that it seems to her to work along
similar principles as RIFE. I absolutely believe this - I do believe
there are clays out there that are effective. However, I haven't
lucked out yet (or lucked-in... whatever...

(2) Based on my once-only, therapeutic experience in a Dead Sea mud
pool (emphasis on *mud*, NOT the sulphur baths - they were worth
zilch to me). I posted re: my Dead Sea experience previously on
Eyton's.

OK, now my assessment:

I purchased:

(a) 1 lb. Terramin (based on recommendations on this forum)
consistency: mud-like, a bit gritty

(b) 2 pounds Mountain Rose sodium Bentonite clay (ditto)
consistency: sorta glueyish clumps, sorta like warm/wet yeast/vaseline

(c) Koi Natural Enhancer calcium bentonite (Ebay) - 15 lbs.
consistency: ditto (i.e. glueyish clumps...

Applications:

EXPERIENCE 1:

Applied hot/soggy brownish Terrasilk to face. Left it on for quite
awhile whereupon skin tightened. Then washed it off.
Results: worse Acne than before.
NOTE: Unlike Dead Sea, there was NO pulling/drawing/pulsating
sensation

EXPERIENCE 2:

Mixed tsp. Terramin in 8 oz. distilled water (sorta like gritty
chocolate milk) and drank.
Results: Tongue puckered similar to that caused me by Citracal &
various apples. Throat got somewhat irritated, similar to Citracal,
and took awhile to normalize.

EXPERIENCE 3:

Applied hot/soggy tawny-greenish Mountain Rose bentonite clay to my
face (didn't enjoy scent).
Left it on quite awhile.
Results: Not much change. Maybe skin a bit softer feeling. Big deal.
Not worth the mess & bother.
NOTE: Unlike Terrasilk, no tightening of skin (rather clay remained
glue-like clumps)
NOTE: Unlike Dead Sea mud pool, no pulling/drawing/pulsating sensation

EXPERIENCE 4:

Mixed tsp. Mountain Rose bentonite clay in 8 oz. distilled water &
drank.
Results: Similar to Terramin (see above) but even worse.

EXPERIENCE 5:

Applied hot/soggy tawny Koi Natural Enhancer calc-bentonite to my
face.
Left it on quite awhile.
Results: VERY similar to Mountain Rose, both in clumpyish texture and
results (see above)

EXPERIENCE 6:

Tried Mountain Rose soldium bentonite clay in a foot bath.
First soaked feet in warm bucket to prime them.
Next, I made water even hotter & added the Mountain Rose until there
was a sufficient amount of gluey clumps floating around. I made sure
to get my feet full of the hot gluey mess.
I then waited... waited... a long time. Absolutely NO drawing/pulling
sensation (such as my Dead Sea experience). Nada.
Results: My feet may have felt a bit softer.
Definitely NOT worth the mess & bother of cleanup (i.e. that stuff
sticks like glue to bottom of bucket. Sorta similar to trying to wipe
glue off.

EXPERIENCE 7:

Tried Terramin in foot bath.
First soaked feet in warm bucket to prime them.
Next, added approx. 1 lb. Terramin together with quite hotter water
(as hot as I could stand). Made sure to get my feet full of the
gritty-feeling, mud-like (less gluey-like) Terramin.
Then waited a LONG time. Absolutely NO drawing/pulling/pulsating
sensation. Not like at Dead Sea mud pool.
Results: Feet just felt dry.
The Terramin was also a nuisance to clean, though I suspect it's a
bit less drain-clogging than the Mountain Rose and the Koi clay,
since it's more like gritty-mud (vs. gluey).

NOTE: READERS MAY ARGUE THAT FOOT/FACE BATHS ARE NOT ENOUGH OF AN
ACID-TEST.
BUT I DON'T AGREE, BASED ON:

(a) At Dead Sea mud pool, I was only immersed up till my thigh, yet
felt pulsating
(b) Someone on a detox forum posted that upon taking a foot bath with
CedarVale bentonite, she felt a pulling sensation
(c) According to Dr.Vinograd, detox foot pads have their drawing
effect via soles of feet which are connected via channels to rest of
body.

THEREFORE, WHY ENDURE THE STRENUOUS MESS THAT A FULL FLEDGED BATH
ENTAILS?
AT LEAST, NOT BEFORE PRE-TESTING VIA FOOT BATH!

(Except, of course, I *did* take a full-fledged disappointing bath
with Koi, which was practically a dead ringer of Mountain Rose's.
Never mind that one is "Calcium" and the other "Sodium".

EXPERIENCE 8:

Took a clay bath with 2 1/2 lb. of the Koi Natural Enhancer calcium
bentonite (marketed toward purification of Koi fish pools, not
exactly toward human beings. However, its consistency was very
similar to the Mountain Rose sodium bentonite which *is* marketed
toward humans.

Anyway, my body wound up aching so much from all the back-breaking
cleanup it entailed, and it had absolutely NO therapeutic
pulsating/pulling effect. So I couldn't even smear it, because it was
too "stickily clumpy" to be smearable. So it didn't even remain on my
skin (let alone tighten it).

IN CONCLUSION:

I think that *some* therapies are surface therapies, while *others*
penetrate deeper.

Just like FIR (Far-Infrared-Sauna) supposedly penetrates deeper (from inside-out) than red-
heat bulbs

Similarly:

I believe that powerful mud-like clay (such as Dead Sea mud pools)
penetrates deeper, while gluey-clumpy clay (such as Mountain Rose &
Koi) may be only useful for surface skin conditions - if at all.

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(online sporadically due to computer chemical/flurescense health issues as mentioned in Black On White PDF by Granlund-Lind)
 

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