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I will assume that you are sincerely trying to find answers to your questions and understand the physiology and pathology of the liver and gallbladder. Even if this is not your true motivation I am aware that many, many people read these posts and therefore I will reply to you. Note, however, that if you go back and read the posts and check out the links that I have already supplied in this thread you can discover the answers to your questions for yourself. In fact, I would suggest that you do this anyway as you clearly have not carefully read my posts, nor reviewed the material in the links that I have contributed. It is for this reason that I question your motivations.


You wrote:

"So the soft brown stones primarily form outside the kidney and the gallbladder."


I don't know why you are bringing the kidneys into this discussion...we are talking about stones in the gallbladder and liver. The formation of kidney stones is another process entirely.


You wrote:

"So can we also say that the cholesterol and pigment stones are the hard ones that are formed in the gallbladder?"
(and)
"So basically the soft brown stones form in the primary bile duct area, and the hard pigment and cholesterol stones form in the gallbladder(over time)?"


No and no.

Hard stones...those that are readily viewed during ultrasound...are calcified stones which means that they contain a high enough concentration of calcium that they form calculi. Not all stones contain enough calcium to result in calcification. Cholesterol and pigment stones can be either hard or soft depending on their chemical composition and are not determined by where the stones are formed.


You have a search engine, right? Google, perhaps? I would suggest that you run your own searches to discover more than enough information to assist your understanding. You might want to enter the following terms:

liver anatomy and physiology
gallbladder anatomy and physiology
liver pathology
gallbladder pathology
gallstones
cholesterol stones
pigment stones
intrahepatic stones
intrahepatic lithiasis

To get you started I have included a couple of links below...two of them provide a basic understanding of the structure and function of the liver and gallbladder. The third link is a massive compilation of information on liver and gallbladder pathology.

This should keep you busy for quite awhile so when you come back to post you will have a far better understanding and stop asking questions that have already been addressed at length in my posts and links.

Better yet...DO A LIVER FLUSH!!! This is a simple, cheap and safe procedure that will allow you to get some answers for yourself THROUGH YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE...and not just academic study. I promise that you will have a whole new set of questions to ask! And I'd much prefer to address these questions on the Liver Flush (SUPPORT) Forum!!! ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°©

I will assume that you are sincerely trying to find answers to your questions and understand the physiology and pathology of the liver and gallbladder. Even if this is not your true motivation I am aware that many, many people read these posts and therefore I will reply to you. Note, however, that if you go back and read the posts and check out the links that I have already supplied in this thread you can discover the answers to your questions for yourself. In fact, I would suggest that you do this anyway as you clearly have not carefully read my posts, nor reviewed the material in the links that I have contributed. It is for this reason that I question your motivations.


You wrote:

"So the soft brown stones primarily form outside the kidney and the gallbladder."


I don't know why you are bringing the kidneys into this discussion...we are talking about stones in the gallbladder and liver. The formation of kidney stones is another process entirely.


You wrote:

"So can we also say that the cholesterol and pigment stones are the hard ones that are formed in the gallbladder?"
(and)
"So basically the soft brown stones form in the primary bile duct area, and the hard pigment and cholesterol stones form in the gallbladder(over time)?"


No and no.

Hard stones...those that are readily viewed during ultrasound...are calcified stones which means that they contain a high enough concentration of calcium that they form calculi. Not all stones contain enough calcium to result in calcification. Cholesterol and pigment stones can be either hard or soft depending on their chemical composition and is not determined by where the stones are formed.


You have a search engine, right? Google, perhaps? I would suggest that you run your own searches to discover more than enough information to assist your understanding. You might want to enter the following terms:

liver anatomy and physiology
gallbladder anatomy and physiology
liver pathology
gallbladder pathology
gallstones
cholesterol stones
pigment stones
intrahepatic stones
intrahepatic lithiasis

To get you started I have included a couple of links below...two of them provide a basic understanding of the structure and function of the liver and gallbladder. The third link is a massive compilation of information on liver and gallbladder pathology.

This should keep you busy for quite awhile so when you come back to post you will have a far better understanding and stop asking questions that have already been addressed at length in my posts and links.

Better yet...DO A LIVER FLUSH!!! This is a simple, cheap and safe procedure that will allow you to get some answers for yourself THROUGH YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE...and not just academic study. I promise that you will have a whole new set of questions to ask! And I'd much prefer to address these questions on the Liver Flush (SUPPORT) Forum!!!

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/anatomy.html
http://biology.about.com/library/organs/bldigestliver.htm
http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/liver.htm

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