Date:   10/2/2005 2:15:29 PM ( 20 y ago)
Hits:   1,326
URL:   https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=405679

0 of 0 (0%) readers agree with this message.  Hide votes     What is this?

Whew, finally came back from the church. I wish I never say something like that, but I couldn't get out of church fast enough today and for the past 1.5 years.
Our church is seeker-sensitive, they are now doing 40 days of community. Last year, when they were doing 'purpose', I quit going for few months. My husband still likes the church, he wants to be part of the community, help people. He is very positive guy and very loyal. Even though he sees some problems with seeker-sensitive movement, he doesn't mind staying in the church as long as there are things to do.
I admire that in him. I am on the other hand, very passionate about discerment and exposing apostasy :-). I've been into occult, New age, buddhism, etc for many years, and it bothers me to see that stuff creeping into the church. (Alpha, Theophostic, contemplative prayer, false prophets, etc).
I am not saying the Warren-driven church is Occultic, but it definitely borders on socialistic ideology and ecumenism. Just today, our pastor said, that we shouldn't care what people believe, what denomination they are, as long we all love Jesus, we should be together in community, etc.
Also, I grew up in a communistic country, where people are brainwashed since young age to be part of 'community', 'togetherness', etc. The more we are getting into 40 days of community messages, the more I am beginning to have flashbacks to my upbringing. It is creepy how similar the whole thing is.
Pastor is FORCING us to buy the books, sign the covenant, sign up into the groups, start our own groups, etc. He shames and mocks the 'infidels' who don't want to particiape in the compaign. He sounds so desperate. The church has been loosing old members for a while now.
I don't mind helping people, but I don't want to do it under the umbrella of Rick Warren.
I am sickened by the whole thing. We are being forced to bring Warren into our homes (on DVDS) and let him tell us how to grow together. Because according to him, only in community, together we can really grow to know Jesus. He wants to bring "Global Glory of God".
Bla bla.
I am so torn. The whole campaign starts on October 9th. I want so much to just flee, or quit coming to church for 40 days. But my main prayer that my husband would want to go to bible-based church . I do want to honor my husband, but how am I going to fake the community thing for next 40 days? I am tired of shallow dilluted messages with horrible biblical mistranslations. I am tired of lack of discernment.
About 1.5 years ago our church invited John Paul Jackson (one of the former Kansas City prophets), he was doing lecture on how to hear from God ($125 per pop).
If you don't know, this person is so-to-speak Prophet. According to him, they built their church on the place where they have portals to the Heavenly realms. He also has a dream interpreting site, where they charge different membership prices up to several thousand dollars for dream readings; they have many levels that you can sign up; diamond, ruby, etc. Crazy!

I brought these things to the pastor in the past, he said that even though he doesn't agree with some things Jackson does/teaches, it is like eating chicken Take the meat and leave out the bones..
That summed the whole thing for me about thus church (Vineyard).
I brought things that were unbliblical about Theophostic prayer to a leader, she said that she worries about me and my relationship with Jesus, etc.
I brough things that were unbiblical about Prophets (that are not 100% right) and Toronto blessing type-of revival to another leader, he said that feels sorry for me that I don't want or never experienced real Holy spirit....
I am still in this church, because my husband goes there. This church does a lot of good things, despite of lack of discerment and dilluted gospel, but every time I go there, my spirit cringes. My husband suggested to write out a letter with bible verses that supports my problems with RIck Warren and send it to the pastor. Well, I'd rather give him a book by John MCarthur, he'll say it better than I would. :-)
I'll still work on the letter though. I warned my husband that when I open that can of worms, hell will break loose. I've read some posts by people who've been shamed and excommunicated from churches because they refused to follow Warren path.
Anyway, that's where I am. Please anyone, advise on this situation.



 

<< Return to the standard message view

fetched in 0.02 sec, referred by http://www.curezone.org/forums/fmp.asp?i=405679