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RE: Jews for Jesus article by Eileen45 ..... Christianity (Biblical) Support

Date:   1/25/2005 10:58:22 AM ( 20 y ago)
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Toonces,

I understand and appreciate both your concern and your caution. As we have both acknowledged - the end time proliferation of deception will be unprecedented and we must be very discerning!

Regarding the britam website - I have read one of Yair's books (as well as others on this topic) and he makes some interesting and well supported conclusions about the lost tribes. I don't know how well versed you are on this subject - but it is an interesting study if you have the time. (I would recommend NOT basing your analysis solely on the opinions of even the most highly respected apologists, but would encourage you to form your conclusions on what you have personally taken the time to study for yourself.)

Regarding the Jews for Jesus article that you provided -

I read the entire article and would be interested in what you saw in this article that was most concerning to you regarding the Hebraic Roots movement??

One thing that was a HUGE red flag for me was their reference to Hank Hanegraff (they use a quote of his to support their position). I am going to post this quote as well as a portion of a CRI radio transcript between Hank Hanegraff and author Colin Chapman promoting Colin's recently published book: Who's Promised Land that I found on the Olive Tree website that you provided to me.

Please read these carefully Toonces, and then try to explain the disconnect here!?!

From Jews for Jesus article:

>>One teaching institution that is part of this movement is the American Institute of Middle Eastern Studies (formerly called the Arkansas Institute of Holy Land Studies) headed by Ron Moseley. Faculty include Roy Blizzard, Marv Wilson, and Brad Young, among others. According to the Christian Research Institute, Blizzard comes "precariously close to rejecting the inerrancy of Scripture" and appears to hold "to an aberrant, if not heretical, view of the Trinity."<<

From Olive Tree website article titled 'Hank Hanegraff's New False Doctrine' discussing the Jew's right to occupy Israel.

>>HH: I think first and foremost what we are talking about in terms of the return to the land is in fact, fulfilled in the Lord. And so, we look at returning to the land and we’re looking at the promises ultimately fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ and then fulfilled in a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. A new heaven where nothing impure will ever enter nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful but only for those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Colin.<<

>>CC: If I could just add to that. In my understanding, it’s really not possible to find in the pages of scripture detailed prophecies or predictions that relate to the modern State of Israel. In the eschatological discourses in the gospels, the three passages that speak about the future the main emphasis is on the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. And the end of these chapters is talking about the end, but that is much more vague and it seems to me that it is not possible to find in scripture detailed predictions that can be related to the modern State of Israel. I personally do not feel therefore, that the State of Israel is something that has theological significance. I accept the State of Israel as something established in international law by the will of the United Nations, the international community, but I do not feel that we can turn to the Bible to find a biblical justification or a theological justification for the State of Israel.<<

Toonces...there is much more that I would like to add and would really like to continue this discussion with you - but would prefer to do this via personal email. Please feel free to contact me directly if you like.

Shalom my friend,
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Toonces,

I understand and appreciate both your concern and your caution. As we have both acknowledged - the end time proliferation of deception will be unprecedented and we must be very discerning!

Regarding the britam website - I have read one of Yair's books (as well as many others) and he makes some interesting and well supported conclusions about the lost tribes. I don't know how well versed you are on this subject - but it is an interesting study if you have the time. (I would recommend NOT basing your analysis solely on the opinions of even the most highly respected apologists, but would encourage you to form your conclusions on what you have personally taken the time to study for yourself.)

Regarding the Jews for Jesus article that you provided -
I read the entire article and would be interested in what you saw in this article that was most concerning to you regarding the Hebraic Roots movement. One thing that was a HUGE red flag for me was their reference to Hank Hanegraff's comments. I am going to post his comments along with a portion of a CRI radio transcript between Hank Hanegraff and author Colin Chapman promoting Colin's recently published book: Who's Promised Land? I found this on the Olive Tree website that you provided to me.

Please read these carefully Toonces, and then tell me where the disconnect is here!?!

From Jews for Jesus article:

>>One teaching institution that is part of this movement is the American Institute of Middle Eastern Studies (formerly called the Arkansas Institute of Holy Land Studies) headed by Ron Moseley. Faculty include Roy Blizzard, Marv Wilson, and Brad Young, among others. According to the Christian Research Institute, Blizzard comes "precariously close to rejecting the inerrancy of Scripture" and appears to hold "to an aberrant, if not heretical, view of the Trinity."<<

From Olive Tree website article titled Hank Hanegraff's New False Doctrine:

>>HH: I think first and foremost what we are talking about in terms of the return to the land is in fact, fulfilled in the Lord. And so, we look at returning to the land and we’re looking at the promises ultimately fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ and then fulfilled in a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. A new heaven where nothing impure will ever enter nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful but only for those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Colin.<<

>>CC: If I could just add to that. In my understanding, it’s really not possible to find in the pages of scripture detailed prophecies or predictions that relate to the modern State of Israel. In the eschatological discourses in the gospels, the three passages that speak about the future the main emphasis is on the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. And the end of these chapters is talking about the end, but that is much more vague and it seems to me that it is not possible to find in scripture detailed predictions that can be related to the modern State of Israel. I personally do not feel therefore, that the State of Israel is something that has theological significance. I accept the State of Israel as something established in international law by the will of the United Nations, the international community, but I do not feel that we can turn to the Bible to find a biblical justification or a theological justification for the State of Israel.<<

Toonces...there is much more that I would like to add and would really like to continue this discussion with you - but would prefer to do this via personal email. Please feel free to contact me directly.



 

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