Date:   5/2/2004 3:06:13 PM ( 20 y ago)
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If it's too much to ask, discuss cost/benefit ratios for an expensive form of therapy, then so be it. Rhetoric is a two-way street. It's easy to point to literature and say see, so and so said it. But where all the scientific studies? I don't really know, do you? This isn't gulping a $.10 olive oil concoction and then let's wait and see what happens. It's spending thousands of dollars(if you don't make it) on something that may or may not be as the claims state. So yea, let's cut the rhetoric. How many reputable scientific studies on infra-red therapies, that can be applied to cheap sauna ceramic heaters are there? Those that include real scientists in a lab controlled environment. What does a hospital pay for their units(seems to be a very important point in literature I've read). Do you think it's the same quality as the average sauna? I'd be willing to investigate and may be surprised but then again, your minds made up and those around you.

Sample questions are:
How many controlled scientific studies are there and by whom and for whom?
What devices were actually used in the studies and who manufactured them?
Are any of these studies directly related to the devices used in saunas or do they use other forms of infrared devices?
What's the difference between an actual heater and infrared heater in a sauna(in other words take out the infrared part)?
What's the difference in quality and cost from hospital units versus general cheap public units and why?
What double-blind controlled studies exist of infrared versus conventional sauna and particular ailments?

This list is simple so I'm sure it could be more thorough but captures some main points. We've all read the same stuff but it would take awhile to research and answer these questions. As an aside I'm not as excited about claims and/or literature put out by vendors, chiropracters or other well-meaning do-gooders. Especially when it's the level of infrared. I don't know, when it comes to Nikkens claims for their magnet devices versus traditional magnets, versus my Japanese Technos Jupiter Water Ionizer versus other water units or technologies, versus Scenar devices, etc,etc. it gets a little hard to keep up. Because of the cost of these devices I try to be as thorough as possible, but I'm finding maybe here I was just asking too much. Everyone would benefit if the alternative health industry cut down the rhetoric. Every new device or supplement is a miracle cure for something. There’s a big difference between a “whole new life” and feeling better which can be had cheaply at a health club sauna, etc. versus buying an expensive promise. Maybe some guy or gal was really helped by something or another but that doesn’t mean that will translate to the average person and that the ROI will stack up.

No I wasn't trolling at all and I was responding to something you missed in your analysis anyway. Okay the ball’s been batted around now, so without ascribing unintentional theories to what you think I’ve said surprise me and answer the questions.

 

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