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harleygirl: well, i am not big on cutler's protocol. but, yes, don't chelate until all metals and root canals (if he has any) are out of the mouth, and all crowns that have nickel in them also, and especially don't chelate with drugs like dmsa or dmps. those were invented for military personnel who get large amounts of metals dumped on them and need to get it out quick. it puts too much heavy metals on the kidney's at once.

wintergreen: Not true if used properly under Cutler's protocol, which involves small amounts of these agents spaced apart in dosage times in line with their activity in the body, which would be every 4 hours for DMSA and every 8 hours for DMPS. DMSA and DMPS as treatments should be avoided in cases of kidney damage or individual reactions like headaches (fairly common with DMSA). But in cases of kidney damage, there are lots of things that people should not be taking. Like the 600 mg per day of chromium picolinate that you suggest for chelation on your website. Large doses of chromium may cause kidney failure.

harleygirl: it is also not a good test for mercury. i know nowdays they are making much smaller doses, but it still isn't good to use. after all the toxins are out, i recommend only supplements to chelate. those are listed on my website. as far as the porphyrin issue, basically, mercury messes up the porphyrins. u can get a fractionated porphyrin fecal and urine test for mercury to see if you have mercury poisoning from your Amalgam fillings. another good test is the melisa test: http://www.melisa.org

wintergreen: Well, aside from the fact that an individual diagnosed with MS on a feeding tube and presumably heavy medication can have elevated porphyrins for a multitude of reasons, neither porphyrin testing nor the melisa test will measure the amount of mercury in the brain. The special problem of mercury toxicity is that it can pass the blood-brain barrier in its organic form, where it can be oxidized by the body into the inorganic form which does not pass the blood-brain barrier as easily. So it remains trapped in the brain. Alpha lipoic acid can remove it from the brain, and possibly cilantro can as well, but their careful use is necessary to avoid redistribution effects or more mercury can actually be carried into the brain due to their use. The latter is especially likely in the first few months after Amalgam removal, when the body's mercury load is typically greater. Your chelation protocol which includes a 200 mg dose of alpha lipoic acid once or twice a day is definitely not recommended. Ditto for the cilantro tincture you recommend 3x a day.

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While you are obviously very knowledgeable about Amalgam removal, and I value your advice in that respect, you don't seem to know much about chelation. On your site at http://bikerchick.freehomepage.com/custom3.html , you write

"EDTA chelation is ok, but doesn't remove much mercury, and I recommend you do supplemental chelation at least 4 months beforehand."

The truth is that EDTA chelation is not ok for mercury toxic individuals. Hal Huggins, an authority that you've referenced, has written in his booklet on Detoxification that can be purchased at hugnet.com:

"Haley is saying that the combination of mercury and EDTA
inactivates some of the body’s most important enzymes.
Enzymes are small proteins that are matchmakers in the chemical
world. They take two chemicals that are supposed to react, but
are shy when they get close together. An enzyme takes the hand
of both shy chemicals and pulls them closer together. As they
touch, the enzyme steps away and
the reaction goes ahead. The
combination of EDTA and mercury
inhibits more enzymes than any
other metal tested. He tested
probably 15 other potentially
harmful metals (from my estimate
looking at his graph in a lecture) and
none even came close to inactivating
the enzymes that the combination of
mercury and EDTA did.

"The next day, back in the office, I
received a call from a young lady
who had a Vitamin C IV procedure,
with EDTA, and was partially
paralyzed in her legs. The
following day, her whole body was
paralyzed. That day I got two
more calls of similar events the day
after IVC and EDTA. Looking at the secondary immune reactions
from chlorella and other materials, plus the fact that these
reactions had not occurred during the first 4 or 5 treatments with
EDTA, I am wondering if we are not seeing the same thing as
with other post amalgam removal patients."

 

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