Date:   7/29/2006 1:08:44 PM ( 19 y ago)
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I rarely have a problem being contradicted...as long as it's factual stuff that's contradicting me - I really am a truth-seeker (even when/if it hurts the ole ego). Thank you for furthering the thinking and learning of this thread...it's really important for all of us to help each other (and that means correcting errors, too!)

I don't know if I can agree with you though (at least not completely). I didn't mention the possibility of 'alkaline burns' because the alkaline level of bile is SO MUCH LOWER than the caustic alkalinity of chemical bleach, ammonia & lye, that it's hard to imagine you could feel or sustain a burn/damage from such a mediocre level of alkalinity. I should NEVER had titled my post: Bile is EXTREMELY alkaline...I just got all excited and started typing! :) :(

I don't think it's possible to sustain the kind of 'alkaline burns' you're speaking of, with bile that's 7.5 - 8.5 pH...it takes extremes on either end to cause actual "burn" or corrosive damage. Which would be why (I'd guess) they make so much money selling drugs that lower/eliminate stomach acid...but I don't think they make anything like for "bile burn". (Maybe they do, I've never had a reason to research it).




So here are these common these pH's:


pH of stomach acid: 2
pH of bile: 7.6 - 8.6
pH of ammonia: 11.5
pH of lye: 13.5
pH of bleach: (various) 12.5

...here's a common pH chart:
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/ph_scale.htm

Which brings us to another point of learning/thought: and that is...the bile cannot exit one's body without first mixing with the stomach acid (obviously we can't 'throw up' directly from the liver/gallbladder. So the weaker alkaline of the bile would be mixed with the much stronger acid from the stomach when we throw-up or bile gets into the stomach somehow (and the quantity/volume of each is VERY important here...but I have no idea what quantities of bile/stomach acid we're talking)...and something feels like it's burning. I'm pretty sure it would take a lot more bile than is possible to totally neutralize the stomach acid AND cause a burning sensation.

I don't have the particulars to consider much about your 'feeling burn' when you threw-up or passed bile. Bile is always combined with stomach acid "going out either direction' (lol), so it would seem that the stronger stomach acid would neutralize/lessen any possibility of an alkaline burn. Now, I have heard LOTS of folks on the Liver Flush Forum say they have all kinds of burning with the passing of bile-rich liver toxins, sludge, chaff, etc. But I'm pretty sure the "experts" over there indicate the 'burn' is from the acidity of the toxins, not the bile itself.

Honestly, I'm just putting 2 + 2 together here (what I think is logically) in my mind, based on what I already know. I have NOT done intense research here, and I've never heard of bile being "caustically alkaline"...so there may be a lot more puzzle pieces than I'm seeing.

Let's dig in here and get 'educated instead of medicated': :o)

Unyquity



 

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