From: Helge Gundersen
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 9:35 am
Subject: Re: [gallstones] cleanse report
3rd flush went well. The olive oil is harder and harder to get down,
but other than that it's pretty interesting:
For each flush, there have been fewer "strange" things coming out, no more black stones, and so on. Only greenies (from the liver?) and
some "sand".
For each flush, the total number of stones seems to have gone a
little bit down.
The smell after eliminating this stuff is much less noticeable now
(although not totally absent). It's considerably less sour (dare I
say toxic?).
After the first flush, I had some pain between my shoulder blades
coming and going for the whole two weeks. After the second flush,
it's was less noticable and didn't last as long. Now, I can only
notice some very brief pain now and then.
I feel better during and right after flushing, not being weaker than
the lack of food for 24 hours will bring with it. On the 3rd flush, I really felt quite normal all the way.
-- Helge
From: Helge Gundersen
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 9:30 am
Subject: Relax and take your time
Hello, everyone.
Some people (especially those taking Epsoms salts or another laxative, probably) go to the bathroom quite a few times on flush days, other people fewer times, although necessarily more often than normal. Tips like soft toilet paper, vaseline and one of Sonne's formulas can be useful, and I'm sure that people's bowels are different, too. But what I've found is that if I just keep sitting there, more water (with or without stones and stuff, depending on where I am in the process) will very often come out. In the worst case I sit there for 20-25 minutes, until my left leg starts falling asleep.
Eliminating liquid has a different sensation than eliminating stool: it seems that I'm finished, just like after an ordinary bowel
movement, but after a short while more comes out still. Maybe a tip
would be to relax on the toilet and take one's time and see if there
is not more to come. Also, don't be impatient or frustrated if things do keep coming and it takes a long time (bring reading material, maybe?). Accept whatever situation and be a constructive part of it.
Think: right now I'm doing this part of the gallbladder flush; later
I will do something else, but that will be then: now I'm sitting here doing some necessary elimination work. Maybe this approach could spare some people for something like half the trips to the toilet and a sore button?
I attempted a yoga Bowel Cleanse once, drinking umpteen cups of salt water, and the teacher told us that some people do not "open up" on the first cleanse, but hold back, so that the water and other substances are not expelled so quickly. (I was possibly one of those, at least to a certain degree.)
I just noticed that one poster in the archives also believed that it's important to relax in bed, to release more stones. Perhaps a more meditative approach to the whole process will bring out a
problem stone...? Who knows: there must be several factors involved
in that problem.