Date:   9/8/2004 6:05:12 PM ( 20 y ago)
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Johnny Vegas:

I did read the posting rules (the version at the time of this post); I did not link to "Quackwatch," I merely listed the URL.

Also, in the rules it's stated that "links [to quackwatch and similar websites] will be removed unless posted in special forums for discussion on quackery and other subjects like: Medical Ethics and Medical Politics." I interpreted that to mean I could post it here if a discussion was centred around it.


Onto the debate:

My first point will be that in all studies done, people with AIDS were also infected with HIV. Also, the health of people who contracted HIV has been kept track of, to show that AIDS symptoms result from HIV infection.

References: this is a very small sample of papers on the subject of HIV being related to AIDS. I've included some that predate the "naming" of AIDS, but show HIV to be responsible nonetheless.

1. Ho DD, Pomerantz RJ, Kaplan JC. Pathogenesis of infection with human immunodeficiency virus. N England J Med 1987;317(5):278-86.

2. Hufert FT, von Laer D, Fenner TE, Schwander S, et al. Progression of HIV-1 infection. Monitoring of HIV-1 DNA in peripheral blood mononuclear cells by PCR. Arch Virology 1991;120(3-4):233-40.

3. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/mmwr/mmwr05jun81.pdf
(a pdf file)

4. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/mmwr/mmwr04jul81.pdf
(a pdf file)

5. Nicoll A, Brown P. HIV: beyond reasonable doubt. New Scientist Jan. 15, 1994:24-8.

6. Pedersen C, Lindhardt BO, Jensen BL, Lauritzen E, et al. Clinical course of primary HIV infection: consequences for subsequent course of infection. Br Med Jo 1989;299(6692):154-7.

7. Ryder RW, Mugewrwa RW. The clinical definition and diagnosis of AIDS in African adults. In: Essex Med, et al., eds. AIDS in Africa. New York: Raven Press, 1994a, pp. 269-81.

8. Schechter MT, Craib KJ, Gelman KA, Montaner JS, et al. HIV-1 and the aetiology of AIDS. Lancet 1993a;341:658-9.

I don't expect anyone to read all (if any) of these papers; right now I don't have time to quote from them, and it is difficult to present a reasonable amount of data in this forum to support my point, because the context of the data in the paper must be known.
 

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