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If you want to use the word annihilation, go ahead. I'm easy with some of these things.

I know the word "destroyed" is used in different ways in the scriptures, so it does not always mean annihilation (there you go, I will use that word too, who cares :)). So we have to look at the context to see how "destroyed" is being used.

But what about "perish"? You seem to be saying that your analogy of the broken worthless vase (but it's still in existence) fits "perish" also. But "perish" seems to mean more than that:

Psalm 37:20

But the wicked will perish; And the enemies of the LORD will be like the glory of the pastures, They vanish-- like smoke they vanish away.

Or it says "consume away" if looking at the KJV. Either way, "vanish away" or "consume away" sounds like more than just a destroyed vessel that's still in existence (and also alive forever). Vanish away or consume away sounds like they're completely gone to me.

You said, "Then I must be demented. Not the first time ever I've been accused of that. However, for one who understands the symbolic nature of apocalyptic, you seem to take it surprisingly literally when it suits your agenda. It need mean no more than that nothing is out of His purview:"

Sure, I can accept that could be all it's saying. But I still think it's demented to think that Christ is watching the lost suffer for all eternity, even if it just means nothing is out of His purview.

I think the Bible makes it clear that it is with great patience, or longsuffering, that God has endured the wicked and sin and all the suffering that has come with both. With your view, God will, with longsuffering that never ends, have to endure watching all of the wicked and the consequences of sin that he sent Christ to destroy and put under his feet, forever. Instead, I believe, taking evidence from the bible, that God's plan is to vanish sin and the wicked away forever, never to be seen again.

Romans 9:22
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God has had a great purpose to endure this longsuffering, but I believe he will also put this longsuffering to an end forever, and make it vanish away, like smoke as the bible says.

Going back to your broken vase analogy, if you burned that sucker up, it would just be ashes under your feet, another analogy the bible uses.

Why does the bible say there will be "a day of wrath" if God's wrath against the wicked continues on for eternity?:

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

Rev. 6:17
17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

I do think I need more explanation from you on perishable vs. immortal, and determining if those conditions can be synonymous.

Looking at the verse closely again:

1 Cor. 15:53
53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality...

So again, perishable and immortal are set up in opposition to one another here. You cannot be both. So how is it that the wicked can both perish and still live forever, which is what immortality means.

From Strong's concordance, immortality means "freedom from death"

http://biblehub.com/greek/110.htm

But yet the bible says over and over the wicked will die, the wages of sin is death, they will not have eternal life, but perish.

And Obadiah 1:16 says: It will be as if the evil “had never been.“ or the NASB says it will be as if they never existed. Kind of sounds like annihilationism there, no?
 

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