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Fighting Yeast With Yeast by frostymug ..... Candida & Dysbiosis Forum

Date:   11/29/2015 8:05:41 PM ( 9 y ago)
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I wanted to bring up the subject of attacking Candida in a novel way. This is by using another yeast (benign and not pathogenic) to attack Candida. This other yeast is from the family Saccharomyces cerevisiae (baker's yeast). This strain is called Saccharomyces Boulardii. It is used as a probiotic to treat diarrhea. The reason why Saccharomyces yeast is non-pathogenic is because it is incapable of turning into a long stringy mycelial form like candida that drills into and attaches to the lumen of the gut. It passes through your gut and can't colonize it.

Before I proceed I want to say that there have been isolated reports of people who had an overgrowth of Saccharomyces Cerevisiae that resulted in illness. This condition is more than rare and is due to the patient's compromised immune system or otherwise poor health. Also, there have been reports (again extremely rare) of people who after having been on Antibiotics contracted an overgrowth of Saccharomyces cerevisiae and developed what is known as auto-brewery syndrome. They become drunk on alcohol being brewed in their gut! If you are not immune compromised or have a sterile gut due to overuse of Antibiotics , you have nothing to fear. Millions of people have taken Saccharomyces yeast as a probiotic with good results. Negative reactions are EXTREMELY RARE.

Saccharomyces Boulardii does not kill Candida directly but causes the body to produce secretory Iga (a component of the immune system) which in turn causes the candida lose the ability to attach to the epithelial lining of the lumen of the gut. The candida passes through the gut just like feces is passed.

I have found research about Saccharomyces being used against candida. One such study is here:

http://www.academicjournals.org/app/webroot/article/article1378986748_Premanathan%20et%20al.pdf

Notice that in this study they used Saccharomyces Cerevisiae. This is most probably baker's yeast. I think if they had used Boulardii they would have named it as such. My point is that since Boulardii is a strain of Saccharomyces Cervisiae, all Saccharomyces whether it is Servisiae or Boulardii both have anti-candida properties.

Our friend dvjorge has made posts about using Saccharomyces Boulardii against Candida. He recommends taking 6 capsules of Boulardii (Florastor) a day (probably 3 capsules twice a day). He also recommends Boulardii enemas. A strict diet is a must. ALSO, because Saccharomyces is a yeast, it would be counterproductive to take antifungals with this since you would kill the Saccharomyces. I have heard people say to take Saccharomyces and antifungals 12 hours apart but I feel this is risky and is worse than doing nothing.

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2 weeks ago I stopped taking antifungals because I have been symptom free for 2 months (I am cautious because of previous relapses). I still had some belching (not as bad as when I was at my worst) which I attributed to perhaps minor SIBO. I had some Saccharomyces Boulardii capsules which I haven't used because I was on antifungals up to this point. Now was the time to use them. These capsules are 5 billion CFUs and because they aren't as fresh as they could be I decided to take 4 capsules every 12 hours. I was pleasantly surprised at how my belching went away and I seemed to sleep much more soundly, waking up fully refreshed. I have much more mental clarity and serenity. One reason why probiotics (Lactobacillus, Bifido bacteria and Saccharomyces) do a good job of attacking candida is because they are not absorbed and are able to reach the entire length of the intestinal tract.

I do think that if you have a serious candida infection you really should adhere to a strict diet with aggressive antifungal protocol for 3 months before trying Saccharomyces. Antifungals will do a good job of clearing most of the gut of candida, Saccharomyces will do a good job of clearing the colon. Remember, antifungals and Saccharomyces do not mix. Antifungals kill Saccharomyces.

P.S. I actually think that you could do enemas with baker's yeast and get the same results as with Boulardii. It would be cheaper but since I don't have any hard documentation for this I know many of you would be too afraid to try it. I don't think it would dangerous since Boulardii is simply one particular strain of Saccharomyces Cerevisiae. I you do try it, I would get the cake form of baker's yeast found in the dairy case. You would dissolve 1/4 cake in 4 oz. of tepid (almost warm) purified water and use that as your enema. This is a retention enema by the way. You do not get on the toilet and expel it.

Does anyone else have experience with Boulardii and Candida?
 

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